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Pushing China to Act Against its Interests in Iran…And For What?

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s visit to Beijing for a Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit and looming implementation of the latest round of U.S. secondary sanctions against countries that continue buying oil from and doing other business with the Islamic Republic have once again focused the spotlight on Sino-Iranian relations.  On that front, Americans, in particular, should read an Op Ed, “Sino-Iranian Ties Important,” published today in China Daily by Hua Liming, see here

Hua is described in the bio line to his Op Ed as “a former ambassador to China and now a researcher at the China Institute of International Studies.”  We had the good fortune to meet Ambassador Hua last year in Beijing, and found him to be one of the most experienced, most richly informed, and wisest people on Iranian affairs one could hope to know. 

In his Op Ed, Ambassador Hua states his bottom line up front, with commendable clarity:  “It is unrealistic for the US to expect China to act in a way that is harmful to its interests and against its diplomatic principles.”  After succinctly reviewing why, contrary to Western stereotypes, “Iran is neither rogue nor fundamentalist,” he gets to the core of Sino-American disagreements over dealing with the Islamic Republic: 

“The US is not willing to let its dominance in the Middle East be challenged by a regional power like Iran; so the hostility and antagonism between the two countries has grown.  In contrast, Sino-Iranian relations are one of the oldest bilateral relations in the world and valued by both sides…The foundations for their friendship are that China has never intervened in Iran’s domestic affairs and their economies are complementary, offering huge potential for cooperation. 

The US hopes to enlist China’s help in dealing with Iran.  But that’s impossible because China will never join the zero-sum game between the US and Iran…The disagreement between the US and China has become especially serious with the US imposing sanctions to restrict Iran’s oil exports as China is a big importer of Iranian oil.  But maintaining relations with Iran is a matter concerning China’s vital interests and China’s fundamental diplomatic principles.  The US should respect China’s friendly relations with Iran, as well as its interests.” 

Ambassador Hua is kind enough to cite one of our posts on the triangular dynamics between Iran, China, and the United States, see here [link to July 27, 2011 post, “U.S. Sanctions and China’s Iran Policy”], including our observation that “the United States cannot forever ask other countries to act in ways that are harmful to their interests.”  He expands on this point, noting that “the US may gain some short-term victories by asking China to act against its own interests but this will only sour the Sino-US relationship in the long run.  To prevent disagreements over Iran from harming bilateral relations, it is necessary for the two sides to respect each other’s interests and bottom line.  That requires the US change its hostility toward Iran.” 

We could not agree more.  In the near term, the United States faces a fateful choice whether to impose extraterritorial (and, hence, blatantly illegal) secondary sanctions against China for its ongoing purchases of Iranian oil.  We believe that, if Washington chooses this path, it will prove deeply counter-productive for American interests—with respect to Iran, vis-à-vis China, and in terms of its impact on the United States’ broader economic and strategic position in the world. 

In the longer term, American political and policy elites have yet to face up to the challenge that Ambassador Hua defines for them.  To restate this challenge from an American perspective, adept management of the Sino-American relationship—which will be critical to America’s standing as a great power in the 21st century—requires that the United States pursue a fundamentally different policy toward Iran.  In essence, the United States needs to re-orient its policy towards the Islamic Republic of Iran in the same way that it reoriented its policy toward the People’s Republic China in the early 1970s.  At present, though, American policy remains oblivious to this imperative.         

–Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett 


302 Responses to “Pushing China to Act Against its Interests in Iran…And For What?”

  1. fyi says:

    James Canning says: June 19, 2012 at 2:08 pm

    Iranians will enrich to 20%, convert to fuel rods, and then will lower their 20% enrichment to the replacement levels.

    US intercepted numerous Iranian ships during 1990s, ostensibly looking for precursors to chemical weapons (piracy, really).

    They never got anything.

    Intercepting naval vessels of Iran will trigger a war – be forewarned.

  2. Castellio says:

    James Canning says:
    June 19, 2012 at 2:02 pm

    Honestly, James, how can you fall for the frosted icing on the man?

  3. James Canning says:


    The P5+1 proposal to allow the sale of the TRR fule to Iran obviously would also provide for payment to be received.

    Are you contending Iran can stockpile whatever amounts of 20 percent uranium it wishes?

    If additional sanctions did not cause Iran to stop enriching to 20 percent, I would expect an effort to intercept Iranian shipping.

  4. James Canning says:


    Muhammed Ali was indeed the Ottoman governor of Egypt, but he set himself up as an independent power and very nearly conquered the Ottoman Empire.

  5. James Canning says:


    I deplore the grotesque expenditure on undating nuclear weapons, that is backed by the US Congress. But Obama in fact favors getting rid of nukes globally.

  6. James Canning says:


    Are you arguing that Iran’s right to stockpile as much 20 percent uranium as suits its wishes, must be recognised by the P5+1? Or are you calling for acceptance openly, by the P5+1, of Iran’s right to enrich to 5%?

  7. James Canning says:

    Unknown Unknowns,

    Where on earth do you get the idea that Aryans are “niggers”?

  8. James Canning says:

    Unknown Unknowns,

    Please be clear: do you think Iran should continue to stockpile 20 percent uranium, even if there is no benefit whatever to Iran from such stockpiling, in order to pressure the P5+1 into openly recognising Iran’s right to enrich to 5% or lower?

    I think you do not have a good understanding of the Bilderberg Group.

  9. Castellio says:

    US aid to Syrian rebels: the push continues for overt military assistance and regime change.


  10. BiBiJon says:

    Wondering if mathematics helps

    It occurred to me that the centrality of the nuclear issue for the two opposite sides, Iran and the West, needs a a bit of math. Both sides view the nuclear issue as the master key. For Iran, the puzzle to solve is that the nuclear issue will/can not be resolved in isolation from the geostrategic confrontation that envelopes it. For the west, the nuclear issue is key to manipulating public opinion so as to not give ground on Iran’s position in her region even though this futile western resistance to reality is ridiculously costly economically and politically for the west.

    The whole conundrum is not unlike the problem of turning a sphere inside out without the sphere-destroying taboos of puncturing the sphere, or creasing its surface. Can it be done?

    Mathematically, it can http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO61D9x6lNY

  11. Castellio says:

    This is Retired Colonel Wilkerson saying that the NDAA is being put into place for the future war against Iran. Worth watching, in my opinion.


  12. fyi says:


    The Leveretts’ article is Salon


    I do disagree with them on their final conclusion about the possibility of war; I discount it.

    However, their essay is consistent with Mr. Ross’ essay below:


  13. Rehmat says:

    Recently, Obama administration has succeeded installing Zionist Jews as head of two very powerful international policy-making forums – the United Nations and Amnesty International USA. As result of these appointments, Zioconservatives will be able to fool world opinion by manufacturing lies about Syria, Iran, Lebanon and Pakistan – as they did in case of Qaddafi last year.


  14. Unknown Unknowns says:


    No, it is not a matter of ‘national self-esteem’ as you put it. The Anglo-Americans/ New Atlantis/ The New Secular Order of Satan Worship/ Israel/ The Bilderbergers/ The International Bankers/ The Half-Baked Half-Lizards of the Illuminati/ The Queen of England and the Houses of Windsor, Hanover, and Orange, et cetera ad fastirum – call them what you will – have decided that Iran does not have the right to enrich uranium, even though the NPT gives them this right, and they have decided that they can (1) use radioactive material such as “depleted” uranium in warfare, (2)continue to maintain their stockpiles of nuclear weapons, and (3)carry out research and development on next-generation nuclear weapons such as “tactical nukes”, all three points of which they are prevented from doing as signatories to the NPT. They have decided the former on the questionable basis that “Iran is just a [sand] nigger” (my paraphrase), and the latter on the same racist and obsolete premise.

    Now. Ashton and her motley crew *know* this (except for the obsolete part), and are going through the motions in a futile attempt to delay the inevitable realization that Imam Khomeini set fire to the Plantation which was their world back in 1979 (the match was actually struck back in 1963), that they cannot sustain the unsustainable, and that this is what happens when you journey into the Heart of Darkness. So the question is, if they know it and we know it and everyone here at RFI knows it, what part of ‘No’ don’t YOU understand, Gavner? Or were you out philandering instead of attending your civics class when they were teaching that when she says ‘No’ and you continue to force yourself upon her, its called rape?

  15. Mohammad says:

    Mehdi Mohammadi, the young (30 year-old!) and brilliant analyst, some of whose excellent Kayhan pieces has been featured on RaceForIran.com before, has been appointed as the Media Assistant for Iran’s Supreme National Security Council (and resigned from Kayhan). He is in Moscow now with the Iranian delegation and you can see him in photographs of yesterday’s press conference.
    This shows that there is an appreciable level of meritocracy in Iran’s SNSC.

  16. Karl. says:

    Apparently Iran have no inherited right to enrich according to EU and as always its the unequal relationship that are bound to fail. Will western powers never learn?

    Mann responded, “No, Iran must first respond to [the] P5+1 [proposal].” Mann then claimed that the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty does not explicitly mention that every member state has the right to enrich uranium.


  17. Karl. says:

    Speaking of RSH, I found out that I couldnt post a comment here myself the other day. I wrote a comment, pressed the submit button, the page reloaded and I thought the comment went through but apparently not. It seems that some of us have been trapped as spammers in the spam-software RFI/Wordpress use.

    To solve it, it seems that one have to type in another email when posting a comment and/or changing your name, (I put for example a dot after “Karl”) when I post this.

  18. Castellio says:

    James, you were saying about Obama’s nuclear free US??

    “Congress has budgeted $84 billion for over the next 10 years to maintain the …’reliability of the nuclear arsenal,’ and $100 billion for new ‘delivery systems’—missiles, submarines and airplanes.”

    from: http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/06/18/the-nuclear-cult/

  19. Castellio says:

    We could push the mismanagement of Egypt back quite a bit further, FYI, but Muhammed Ali isn’t a bad place to start. I agree that the agricultural policy of cotton as a cash crop was not the way to go. However, Ali was an Albanian representing Turkish interests who didn’t speak Arabic, although he’s called the father of modern Egypt. Surely there’s a clue in there somewhere.

    But you’re not trying to tell me – or are you – that Sunni Muslims are incapable of good economic and social policies?

  20. Castellio says:

    It’s a considered and appropriate letter, Photi.

  21. fyi says:

    James Canning says:

    There is no way that Iran would pay for refueling TRR; it is now too difficult to pay for it due to US-EU financial sanctions. Furthermore, the provisioning of such fuel, even if the payment mechanism were cleared, would take more than a year.

    Just like the spare parts for Boeing jets, that is; an empty promise since Boeng will not sell them to Iram (or any other company).

    There is nothing there.

    Strategic stalemate.

    There will no meeting after Moscow – tomorrow will most likely be the last P5+1 meeting until 2018 – after Iran has rendered sanctions ineffective.

  22. Rehmat says:

    The US Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), a subsidiary of the Pentagon, is planning to hold a controversial symposium on Pakistan’s province of Balochistan in Washington DC next week. In order to guess who could be behind this symposium – my fellow Canadian, Tarek Fatah, will be one of the speakers at the symposium. Tarek Fatah along with Canada’s prime minister Stephen Harper – are the only two Canadians listed on Israel Hasbara Committe.

    The Bloch people are tribe-based Muslims and live on both sides of Pakistan-Iran border…….


  23. James Canning says:


    Iran is reluctant to suspend enriching to 20% without sanctions relief. P5+1 willing to sell TRR fuel to Iran.

    The US, in my view, has been foolish in the extreme, by continuing to block the sale of TRR fuel to Iran.

  24. James Canning says:

    The cover story of the New Statesman is Iran A-Z. Well worth reading, in my view.

  25. James Canning says:

    PressTV report today: “20% uranium enrichment not on table forever: Iran”

    Iran wants P5+1 to accept Iranian enrichment to 5% and Iran wants the unilateral sanctions suspended.

  26. James Canning says:

    Blumberg Businessweek report today: “While emphasizing that Iran has the right to enrich 20 percent uranium, Ahmadinejad said his government was open to importing the fuel for its research reactor.” (Comments to a German newspaper June 16th)

  27. James Canning says:

    Unknown Unknowns,

    Are you arguing that Iran must encontinue to enrich to 20 percent in order to demonstrate it can ignore the concerns of the P5+1? For you it is a matter of national self-esteem?

  28. James Canning says:

    The Financial Times today reports that a deputy Iranian foreign minister met with representatives of Russia, China and seveeral European countries, and indicated Iran is prepared to stop enriching to 20 percent but wants recognition of its right to enrich to 5%.

  29. Kathleen says:

    Help keep the debate and information flowing

  30. fyi says:

    Castellio says: June 18, 2012 at 1:13 am

    Egyptain economy has been suffering from collosal mismanagement for 200 years; from the time of forced introduction of cotton by Muhammad Ali Pasha.

    There is also the fact that the Egyptian people enjoy large families; by 2026 there will 150 million Egyptians.

    These are not the faults of the United States.

  31. Unknown Unknowns says:

    By the way, (and on the occasion of the Moscow talks), if anyone wants to know what it feels like to play chess with an 800 lb. gorilla sitting across from you on the other end of the table, all you have to do is have a discussion with the Gavner on the principle that those who work in the plantation are humans too, their dark-complected skin notwithstanding, and have the same rights as anyone else. I guarantee you’ll know *exactly* what it feels like before you have sacrificed 20% of your pieces to gain an unstoppable pawn structure.

  32. Castellio says:

    James, economies can’t mature, evolve and develop in appropriate ways without the free flow of true information. The US-Israel supports an Egyptian government where, as you might put it, that situation does not obtain.

    Hence, the US-Israel believes it benefits from an underdeveloped Egyptian economy, with the persistence of Egyptian poverty and the instability it brings.

    Do I believe that Egyptian poverty is good for American long terms interests? Definitely not. Does American foreign policy act in such a way as to support a sclerotic Egyptian government without the informational infrastructure for strong economic development, yes it does.


  33. Rehmat says:

    Last month, Hillary Clinton visited India in the hope of persuading the country to halt oil imports from the Islamic Republic or face sanctions itself. She was told by Indian officials that India needs to look after its own national interests rather bow to US interests in the region. Last week, Barack Obama exempted India along with Turkey and Japan from the Zionists’ list of countries need to be sanctioned for not following Israel’s anti-Iran agenda.


  34. James Canning says:

    “All in all, Russia is following one main principle – – as soon as the international concerns on Iran’s nuclear program are resolved, it will be high time to revise UNSC resolutions.” Comment by Nikolay Kozanov (linked by BiBiJon).

  35. James Canning says:


    Prince Bandar bin Sultan meets with your disapproval. Why?

  36. James Canning says:


    I assume you do not think the US benefits from poverty and instability in Egypt.

  37. James Canning says:

    Bussed-In Basiji,

    P5+1 probably would accept Iranian enrichment to 5%. Aipac is trying to prevent this.

  38. James Canning says:


    Fine piece by Shirin Shafaie and Nilolay Kozanov that you just linked. Kozanov underscored Russian and Iranian support for a Middle East nuke-free zone.

    He also put emphasis on the fact the unilateral sanctions rather than the UNSC sanctions, pose the most problems for Iran. And those sanctions directly resulted from Iran’s ill-considered decision to treble production of 20 percent uranium.

  39. fyi says:

    BiBiJon says: June 17, 2012 at 7:04 am

    You must understand the Chinese/Russian policy for what it is: strategic stalemate in the Middle East.

    That is to be contrasted with the Axis Powers’ policy which is the maintenance of a tattered hegemonic position.

    Axis Powers are well into strategic stalemate.

    Iranians and their allies can live with that for now – until the Siege of Iran is broken.

    Axis Powers allies are already the loosers.

  40. BiBiJon says:

    A blast from the past: Obama’s letters to Lula and Erdogan

    To say that “Obama lied” appears a little simplistic if you read this:

    “Kozhanov: No, Russia does not regret [having voted for the UNSC resolutions]. As I have already explained to you Moscow’s support for the UN resolutions, especially Resolution 1929 (in 2010) mainly resulted from a number of steps taken by Tehran itself. Here I am referring to the sudden disclosure of Iran’s plans for building a second enrichment facility and Tehran’s refusal to exchange its low-enriched uranium with nuclear fuel in October-November 2009, a proposal which was dearly supported by Russia and Tehran’s decision to replace Russia with Turkey and Brazil as its main nuclear mediators with the West in May 2010. Moscow regarded this step as contrary to its national interests and its role in the region. As a result, Russia could do nothing but support the US and EU in instituting new UN measures against Iran as well as adoption of their own unilateral sanctions” http://www.campaigniran.org/casmii/index.php?q=node/12654

    So, it was not a lie, but a clever ploy. While relying on Brazil and Turkey to be sufficiently chuffed at being asked to help solve a (the) major US conundrum not to ask obvious questions like ‘why us?’ Obama drafted the two eager upstarts to go and humiliate themselves on behalf of the BRICS.

    Obama knew Iran would be too eager to show up P5+1, by concluding a deal with Brazil & Turkey to ask obvious questions like ‘what will Russia & China feel about this?’

    Talking about Russian feelings, of course nothing was left to chance. Through every subliminal channel available, incendiary ideas were planted in Russia’s ego to ensure that she takes the whole affair very very personally. With meticulous timing, with Russian ego on fire, Russia was led by the nose to slap Iran, Turkey and Brazil and set aflame a whole bunch of Russo-Turkey, Russo-Brazil, and Russo-Iran bridges.

    Got to hand it to Barack Hussein. Not bad for a Harvard graduate.

  41. khurshid says:

    Lysander says:
    June 16, 2012 at 5:55 pm

    Bandar might charm west with his english linguistic skills but he is dependent on anti-depression drugs – this already reported in press. Taking his health into account Bandar might not be a bad choice – an ill wolf can’t do much harm. However, Neyf’s brother Salman is the most likely successor. (I really want to know about Salman’s health condition.)

  42. Castellio says:

    Arnold, the phrase “can’t go on indefinitely” isn’t comforting.

    Whatever weakens the effectiveness of the Egyptian state will be perceived as beneficial to US-Israeli interests. As the Saudis back the Salafists, and the US-Israel (they can’t be separated at this point) backs the Egyptian military elite, so the dynamic returns to what they seek to maintain: a dogmatic, inefficient and sclerotic government hunting down its own so-called radicals.

    However, the strength of the anti-Mubarak movement was not localised in the Muslim Brotherhood, nor in the Cairene intelligentsia (if you believe it was then I have some waterfront property to sell you in Florida) but a much more stubborn and wide-spread resistance throughout the working society, from Alexandria to Luxor. More than that, at this point, I can’t say.

  43. Fiorangela says:

    Castellio says: June 16, 2012 at 7:01 pm

    category “Opposition to Drone Strikes”

    Greece registered 90% opposition, 5% approval of drone strikes, the greatest percentage opposition of all countries tallied.

    Freedom’s just another word for nothin’ left to lose.

  44. Castellio says:

    James, when you write that Obama is against nuclear weapons, surely you have walked into the twilight zone. My understanding is that the Pentagon is financing a whole new generation of nuclear weapons.

  45. Photi says:


    This is the letter i gave my Senator:

    Dear Senator Murray,

    Thank you for not signing the letter that 44 other US Senators have signed urging the Obama administration against concessions with the Islamic Republic of Iran (please see this article by Philip Weiss: http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/44-senators-including-many-democrats-sign-aipac-letter-to-obama-against-iran-negotiations.html).

    Mrs. Murray, please do not make the mistake of giving in to political pressures by subverting diplomacy like these 44 other US senators have.

    The Iranians have demonstrated time and time again their peaceful intentions with their civilian nuclear program. The Islamic Republic of Iran has also made clear they will never agree to a complete suspension of its nuclear enrichment activities. Given these realities, a “trust but verify” outlook towards Iran’s enrichment activities should shape the context of these negotiations on the part of the Americans. Not recognizing Iran’s civilian nuclear program guarantees a failure the world cannot afford.

    The Iranians have signaled that they will, however, negotiate on the 20 % enrichment issue. They have also been clear that their willingness to negotiate on 20% enrichment is dependent on the P5+1 powers offering some form of sanctions relief.

    Given Iran’s central importance to the global energy supply, the upcoming sanctions against Iran will put substantial upward pressure on the price of oil. I for one do not want to be looking at a six- or seven-dollar gallon of gas.

    It is self-evident that sanctions relief for Iran will in fact be sanctions relief for the global economy.

    More broadly, the international energy market will some day reach a supply crisis without proactive nuclear energy research. Iran, as one of the largest energy producers in the world, has a vital stake in this looming crisis.

    Nuclear science is the future of energy and the Islamic Republic of Iran understands this thoroughly.

    There is a peaceful solution to the nuclear crisis and I give you a humble plea to please be forthright in your support of this peace and diplomacy.

    Americans will be serving our own interests by recognizing Iran’s peaceful and noble ambitions.

    Please visit Flynt and Hillary Leverett’s excellent blog on Iran, raceforiran.com

    Thank you for your time and consideration.


    David Nelson
    -Wenatchee, WA

  46. Rehmat says:

    On Friday, former British prime minister Tony Blair’s ex-communications director, Alastair Campbell claimed in his diaries published by British daily The Guardian – that Murdoch called Blair on March 11, 2003 – eight days before US invasion of Iraq – urging him not to do anything that could delay the start of the invasion (for Israel).


  47. Castellio says:

    I imagine that someone else has already posted this, but since I don’t know, and it might interest some here:


  48. Lysander says:

    Unknown Unknowns says:
    June 16, 2012 at 9:02 am

    I share your sentiments full. But I don’t know what practical effect this will have. It is likely that Nayif has been dead for a while, and that the US was in the loop. Only the announcement was now. Also, I don’t know if he was really any more radical than the rest of that bunch. Does it mean they will stop financing suicide bombers in Iraq and Syria? We can only hope.

    I don’t know much about Saudi succession struggles, and I’m worried they will make Bandar crown prince. He is every bit as miserable as the others but can speak English well and make himself seem reasonable and charming to western audiences. I’m sure he has the CIA in his corner although this wiki article doesn’t mention him in the line of succession.


    What would really be wonderful is if Abdullah immediately goes to keep his brother company in hell before a successor is named. Any instability in KSA is a bonus for the rest of the world.

  49. Arnold Evans says:

    Angry Arab on the pro-US dictatorship’s dissolution of Egypt’s legitimately elected Parliament:

    Egypt and the counter-revolution
    I shall write later but it is clear; no need for despair. The counter-revolution (US-Israel-Saudi Arabia-Qatar) are overplaying their hands and screwing up big time. The outcome will reverse what they had aimed at. Stay tuned.

    Juan Cole on the dissolution:

    In fact, many “independents” who ran and won had the backing of the parties, especially the Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party and the Salafi Nur Party.

    The court found that the parties had subverted the intent of the law, and in so doing had invalidated the entire elected parliament. It ordered that parliament be dissolved and new elections held.

    Excuse me. There is no comparison between the support Cole offers the pro-US dictatorship’s act and AbuKhalil’s non-despairing prediction that it will backfire.

    But yes, Cole claims the Islamic parties subverted the law by petitioning the pro-US dictatorship to put them on ballots, and then when the dictatorship did put them on the ballots according to the laws in place at the time, winning more votes than Cole, Obama and the dictatorship expected. And then Cole to presents the dissolution of Parliament and the nullification of every single vote in that election as a reasonable response to this subversion of the intent of the law that Cole believes happened.

    That is disgusting, if typical and expected from a mainstream US commentator on the Middle East. Angry Arab does nothing of the sort, though he has faith, which I ultimately share, that the US will not be able to maintain Egypt as a colony indefinitely.

  50. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    News from the real world:

    The deal is clear for the Mosocow talks: Iran has renounced nuclear weapons per fatwa, P+1 has to accept Iran’s right to nuclear enrichment per NPT without extra conditions.

    Everybody is ready to make the deal except the stupid Americans.

    Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.

  51. James Canning says:


    When William Hague discussed with Ali Salehi the upcoming Moscow meeting of the P5+1 with Iran, he would be obliged to follow the line taken by the group.

    The damage done to UK relations with Iran, by the vandalism in the British embassy in Tehran late last year, was bad for Iran and the UK.

  52. James Canning says:


    Interesting story by Frederic Dahl that you linked (Reuters). Mousavian is quoted as saying Iran insists that its right to enrich uranium must be accepted by the P5+1. Dahl should have made clearer that Iran wants its right to enrich to 5% recognised, but enriching to 20% could be suspended provided the TRR fuel is sold to Iran by “the West”.

  53. James Canning says:

    Dan Cooper,

    Interesting article by Jordan Michael Smith that you linked. It of course does not change my view that Iran should continue to work toward a Middle East free of nukes. And Obama actually favors that nukes be eliminated globally.

  54. Jay says:

    Karl says:
    June 16, 2012 at 7:47 am
    Regarding this site/commenting.

    I agree that monitoring is burdensome and slows discussion. However, I do not like the idea of email confirmation. Instead, the use of “untrusted” list , which works on the basis of innocent till proven otherwise, is what I advocate.

    Anyone who has posted, continues to post, or will post in the future can be on the trusted list until they violate (according to the hosts) the ethics of the site. At that time, their name can be added to the “untrusted” list for approval. If they continue to post without violations for a while, they can ask to be reinstated. In this form, anyone can quickly participate and we will not need to verify people.

  55. James Canning says:


    I agree with you it was easy to ignore multiple lengthy postings by Sassan, et al.

  56. James Canning says:


    I agree this site is much better if one can quickly respond to another person posting a comment. And I too amy sorry R S Hack has not been with us for some time now.

  57. Karl says:

    Another source of the absurd.

    Obama invite Dershowitz to talk about Iran.


  58. fyi says:

    BiBiJon says: June 16, 2012 at 6:52 am

    The New Middle East will have a centre; the Iranians and their allies from Hindu Kush to the Mediterranean Sea; that much is certain.

    Iranians will not abandon Mr. Assad, his government, and the Alawite sect.

    They will help Mr. Assad fight and fight to win.

    [The Iranians need Syria and will also be sending the signal that – unlike Americans – they are supporting their allies to the hilt. This is a strategic necessity for Iran to enforce and encourage the dependency of various allied communities on Islamic Republic.]

    In Egypt, I should think that we are looking towards a decade of political instability.

    That instability is not harmful for Iran – it is harmful for US, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Israel.

    Leave it to US and EU Axis States to try to forge an anti Shia/Irani alliance consisting of:

    – UAE whose population celeberated the attacks on US on 9/11/2001 for days.
    – Saudi Arabia where no Liberty and no Elections
    – Qatar, a oil-well with a Flag
    – Israel – which hates Arabs and is at war with Islam
    – Jordan which is trying to survive.

  59. Rehmat says:

    Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has announced that his country made its first drone in partnership with Iran, and said Caracas plans to start exporting it soon.

    “It is one of the three planes that we have manufactured here, and we are continuing to make them – not just for military use, as much of its equipment is for civilian use,” Chavez said Wednesday during a meeting with top military and defense officials.

    Chavez, one of world’s top anti-imperialist leaders has developed very close personal friendship with Iranian President Ahmadinejad – which has always irked the US and Israel.

    Reacting to the news, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland (a Zionist Jew) told reporters Thursday in Washington: “The Venezuelans make lots of extravagant claims. So do the Iranians“.

    Designed as a surveillance tool, the machine “does not carry arms” and has a 100-kilometer (60 mile) sweep. It can fly solo for some 90 minutes and reach an altitude of 3,000 meters (9,000 feet),” said General Julio Morales, president of the state-run Venezuelan Military Industrial Company Cavim.

    Another official in Venezuela said that the drone was assembled from parts made locally and built by engineers trained in Iran.

    Islamic Republic has a leading edge in the development of drone technology in the Middle East. While the US has been supplying drones to Israel as part of its $3 billion annual military aid to Israel – Tehran manufactured its first drone locally over a decade ago.

    On December 4, 2011 – Iranian Army’s electronic warfare unit announced that it downed a US-built RQ-170 Sentinel stealth aircraft after it crossed into Iran’s airspace over the border with neighboring Afghanistan. Watch a video below.


  60. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Crown Prince Nayef dies in hospital, Press TV is reporting. This is very good news. He was a Takfiri Wahhabi (not to be too redundant), which is to say that he believed the spilling of the blood of the millions of Shi’a in Wahhabistan to be licit and in fact laudatory. May he and all Takfiris burn in eternal hellfire. Ameen. And may this blessed event hasten the demise of that Satanic House.

  61. Karl says:

    Regarding this site/commenting.

    Yeah I wondered where RSH went too, while I didnt agree with everything he said he definately had some valuable information/sources (but the ‘spamming’ must stop I guess).

    Eric Brill’s inputs and/on legal perspectives is also appreciated.

    Yes the update frequency regarding comments must fasten. One solution is to confirm the current users (by the email-adress) that often post here (Karl, James, Pirouz, Rehmat, Casteillo, Fiorangela, Bibijohn, fyi etc) while a new user will have to get their comments/email approved.

  62. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Arnold-san: Tell him to be sure to put his transhuman tail between his legs when he is ready to make his 4th debut! LOL

    BiBiJon et al: our hosts are in China with limited access to the internet, which is why the screening process has been even slower than usual. They are aware of the general problem and are working on seeing if they can find a solution that does not involve requiring registration on the site prior to being allowed to post. Another option which they are pursuing a potential technical solution to is see if they can pre-approve posts sent by the IP addresses and/ or email addresses of the regulars.

    I think we all need to continue to be patient while Flynt-san deals with this Hasbara virus. Like Stuxnet and Flame, it will be taken care of, and [Race For] Iran will be stronger for it.

  63. BiBiJon says:

    The Grand Bargain …. by Solstice

    Well, let me take myself up on this outlandish conjecture.

    Iran has to persuade the West that their mid east scheme is doomed to fail to the detriment of all. The idea of arming/financing Salafis/al Qaida savages to destabilize Syria and then use them to start up a civil war in Lebanon and once you think you’ve done enough harm to Iran, turn on a dime (as you did with the Afghan mujahedeen, and Saddam) and then attack the Salafis/al Qaida is not going to work. First of all it is a hair-brain scheme, morally and intellectually infantile notion that only Bernards, Christophers, and Juans of this world would be shamelessly promoting. Secondly, Iran, Russia, and China will not let you do it without exacting a heavy price. http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Art-of-War-With-a-Gla-by-Pepe-Escobar-120613-87.html

    There is an alternative model for mid east that has proven to work very nicely. Iran’s relationship with the Russian Federation and Iran’s help in steering the ex-Soviet states’ devolution and independence to be on the whole in line with Russian interests is a model that can be easily replicated in the mid east allowing the evolution of American protectorates/colonies to independence while safeguarding Western interests and honoring certain Western red lines.

    The nuclear non-issue will solve itself in the broader regional solution. I think ‘enormous’ face-saving compromises will be offered by Iran once the Bahrain/Syria question is answered.

    Iran has to convince P5+1 that there’s no rush; that the Saudis and other Persian GCC states will have decades to adjust to new realities; that Russia, China, India will suffer greatly if the West continues to radicalize Salafis; and, that ‘influence’ will be shared with Western trusted allies (e.g. Turkey) and any downsides compares favorably to the calamities of WWIII.

    methinks, by Solstice everyone will have seen the light.

  64. BiBiJon says:

    Castellio says:
    June 15, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    Could you also suggest to the Leveretts that the current mode of comment moderation is stifling any meaningful discussion. It also has stopped the comments section to be a source of latest news alerts.

    I now think Sassan’s repeated posts of Khalili’s drivel was less of an hindrance to a discussion than publishing comments once or twice a day. I for one didn’t have a problem with Lucas, Sassan and others making a fool of themselves.

  65. Arnold Evans says:

    Castellio says:
    June 15, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    The Leveretts have responded to my request regarding RSH, and have clarified that they are not blocking his comments. They are, in fact, wondering when he will again participate.

    I regret that I didn’t immediately contact the Leveretts privately when RSH left a comment on my blog that he was blocked from posting. Thank you for doing that. I’ll respond to his comment and send him an email shortly.

  66. hans says:

    Arnold Evans says:
    June 16, 2012 at 12:31 am
    Typical American. Juan Cole may think of himself as a progressive. Outrageous and disgusting.

    To this add the AngryArab, that American couch revolutionary!

  67. Unknown Unknowns says:


    Richard’s trippin’, as usual. He’s jonesing to get back in here, but he lives in California, which has a three strikes and your out law. Pobre Ricardo.

  68. Arnold Evans says:

    Juan Cole pretty much supports the dissolution of Egypt’s parliament. He claims it is the Muslim Brotherhood’s fault for running for too many seats, and Cole thinks that the Muslim Brotherhood is less popular now, so somehow the election they won should be voided.

    Typical American. Juan Cole may think of himself as a progressive. Outrageous and disgusting.

  69. Arnold Evans says:

    Castellio says:
    June 15, 2012 at 9:42 pm

    Over on Arnold’s blog, RSH writes that he is blocked from this site. Can that possibly be true?

    I certainly think that for all of RSH’s over long quotations, 1) He was never deliberately trying to disrupt this site, unlike Sassan 2) He makes unique and valuable contributions.

    I did not want to speak on this out of respect for this blog, but if there has been a block I know I don’t get a vote, but if I did, I would absolutely vote for it to be lifted.

    I would much prefer to see a size limit enforced, even particularly on commenters who habitually make inappropriately long copies of text available elsewhere, than to see Hack banned. There easily could be another story.

  70. Dan Cooper says:

    The world would be better off if Iran gets the bomb.

    fyi says:
    June 15, 2012 at 2:18 pm


    Good article

    “Waltz is among the most influential international relations theorists in the world (tied for second, according to one survey), but he rarely writes for anything but academic journals.

    His new essay, the feature in the forthcoming issue, argues that:

    The world would be better off if Iran gets the bomb.

    That argument may seem radical, but it is in keeping with Waltz’s long-standing arguments on the stability of nuclear weapons (arguments echoed by John Mearsheimer, among others).”

  71. Castellio says:

    The Leveretts have responded to my request regarding RSH, and have clarified that they are not blocking his comments. They are, in fact, wondering when he will again participate.

    RSH, if you’re reading this: Try Again. There may have been an inadvertant problem, but there is no intention to block you.

    Arnold, if you have access to RSH, let him know that he is welcome at Race For Iran.

  72. Castellio says:

    Over on Arnold’s blog, RSH writes that he is blocked from this site. Can that possibly be true?

  73. Castellio says:

    fyi says:
    June 15, 2012 at 10:01 am

    For whatever its worth, FYI, with some quibbling about what you mean by Republicanism, I think the thrust of your argument is valid.

  74. Rehmat says:

    Israel’s 1967 war hero, Gen. Matti Peled’s daughter, Professor Nurit Peled-Elhanan (Hebrew University) and his son Miko Peled, a former IOF soldier and author of book, The General’s Son – have recently spoken about Israel, its culture of racism and Israel’s war of aggression in June 1967.


  75. Karl says:

    Amazing, apprently US havent understand that to negogiate you have to give your partner something in return. This is just a pathetic stalling of time by the US to ease the oil price and easing israeli warmongering.

    After all these years, after all these pressure they once again show their true face US simply do not want a solution.

    Powers want “diamonds for peanuts”: Iran ex-official

  76. Karl says:

    One wonder how old Hague is, immature when hes doing everything to reject direct diplomacy with Iran on regional questions.


    The stance is clear, reject talks and pave the way for more isolation, sanctions, war.

  77. James Canning says:

    Dan Cooper,

    The US very easily overthrew Saddam Hussein in a matter of a few weeks. The catastrophic civil war was caused by the idiotic disbanding of the Iraqi army and security services. And that was the work of L. Paul “Jerry” Bremer III, who seems to have helped April Glaspie in her huge blunder in July 1990 that virtually invited Saddam Hussein to invade Kuwait.

  78. James Canning says:


    Broad’s article (NYT June 14th)also states that Iran could build for nukes with the 20% U it has on hand (after further enrichment).

  79. James Canning says:


    William J. Broad’s article in The New York Times June 14th, that you linked, is in my view a poor analysis. He qwuotes Ray Takeyh as saying the West failed to respond quickly to Iran’s announcment of intent to treble production of 20 percent uranium.
    In fact, the UK reacted immediately.

    Broad should have noted the utter stupidity of Robert Gibb’s contention Iran would not be able to produce fuel rods/plates for the TRR. Gibbs wanted to provide cover for Obama’s foolish blocking of Iran’s application to buy fuel for the TRR. The UK wanted the Iranian application approved.

    Broad notes that “[Nuclear] enrichment is a point of enormous pride to Iranians” but he failed to mention Iran last September offered to stop enriching to 20 percent.

  80. fyi says:

    hans says: June 14, 2012 at 11:34 am

    You misunderstand the situation.

    For almost a hundred years, reformers and thinkers in Muslim societies had tried to use European models of development; from free-markets to communism and anything in between.

    Those models have failed.

    What is left is the Islamic Tradition – the foundation of their civilization and society.

    The reformers and thinkers are now facing the enormous task of amalgamating Sunni Islam and Republicanism, Due Process of Law, and Liberty.

    For Arab states, due to the dearth of a Written Culture, this process will necessarily have to depend on emulation of other Muslim states.

    Iran, where the late Mr. Khomeini amalgamated the Principles of Islam with those of Republicanism will be that model – for the better or for worse.

    Understand that outside of Islam, there is no basis for these societies – even in Iran where the remanants of the Revelations of Zarathustra informs the population.

  81. Karl says:

    Russia response to US hypocrisy, Syria.

    “We are not providing Syria or any other place with things which can be used in struggle with peaceful demonstrators, unlike the United States, which regularly supplies such equipment to this region,” Mr. Lavrov said. He singled out a recent delivery to “one of the Persian Gulf states” — perhaps a reference to Bahrain. “But for some reason the Americans consider this completely normal.”


    “We do not get involved in overthrowing regimes – neither through approval of unilateral actions by the U.N. Security Council nor by participation in any political plots,” Lavrov said.


  82. Sineva says:

    James Canning says:
    June 14, 2012 at 1:26 pm

    Its not about what it costs iran its about what iran gets in return for giving up this right.We are far beyond gestures of goodwill here.If iran followed your talk of appeasement it would only encourage the west to apply yet more pressure,each time iran has done as you have suggested it has only led to more threats and sanctions.The truth is James and it baffles me that you seem utterly unable to understands this 20% is just an excuse if it were not that it would be 5% or it would be something else,the problem here is irans strategic independance and the threat that imposes on israel and the tottering us vassal states

  83. Unknown Unknowns says:

    If Mursi believes in the disenfranchisement law (as he claims), why is he personally enfranchising the Weasel Proxy by running against him?

  84. Karl says:

    A pro-israeli group, that also supported war on Iraq have urged the bombing of Iran and have made a scaremongering ad to get their propaganda out.


  85. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Here’s a good article on that same ayah (olul amr) in the great resource wikifiqh.


  86. Rehmat says:

    Realizing that the MB – based Justice and Freedom Party candidate Dr. Mohamed Morsi was set to win presidential race in the second round against US-Israel favorite Ahmed Shafiq, former PM under Hosni Mubbarak regime – Washington has initiated a total state coup in Cairo.


  87. Arnold Evans says:

    I’m so outraged at what is happening in Egypt that I can hardly type.


    Hillary Clinton’s statement that the US expects a transfer to a civilian government (after the SCAS dissolved the legitimately elected parliament!) leaves open the possibility that the US will be happy to see power transferred to Shafiq. It is the kind of statement I expected, and what the US would say after a coup it supports if it wants to lie to say it supports democracy.

    Even if typical for the US and its pro-US puppet dictatorship, this is absolutely disgusting.

  88. BiBiJon says:

    James Canning says:
    June 6, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    “Thanks for linking the June 5th report (Bloomberg), that Iran has produced fuel plates for the TRR from 49kg of the 145kg of 20 percent uranium produced so far.
    Will this fact get reported in The New York Times? Washington Post?”

    I’m happy to report that indeed pigs can fly http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/17/sunday-review/irans-high-card-at-the-nuclear-negotiation-table.html

    Marveling at the above gravity-defying pig, is it too much to hope for a grand bargain by Solstice?

  89. Observer says:

    “Oh, and Nial. Take your stupid comments to your fellow warmonger and namesake’s Bahai website, where you will find a much more [mis-]“informed” bunch of pretentious losers. Your bogus disgust will fit right in over there, together with the rancid hypocrisy and double standards.”

    Do I sense a bit of racism and hostility towards the great Bahai people? The Bahai faith is a religion that teaches peace and love. The Bahai people are among the most oppressed people in Iran; simply because of their faith and belief. It is truly sad the condition of Bahai’s in Iran simply because of their love and believe in Bahá’u’lláh.

  90. James Canning says:

    I recommend “Medal of Freedom for Shimon Peres maintains White House blind spot on Israel”, by Mike Peled:


  91. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Thank you, BiBiJon. I’m not holding my breath about the spill-over into the Hijaz… It has taken the Turks about a century to realize that Ataturkism is a dead-end (and even still, there are many who don’t see this yet). It will take probably them another century or so to realize that the the vision of Islam of the “Islamists” who brought them to this tardy realization is also a dead-end, and the problem is with Sunnism itself. Maybe Egypt’s Shi’a past will help them leapfrog over the Turkeys… who knows? But they certainly will not be able to short-circuit their way into autonomy and a schitzophrenic-free polity any time soon.

    I had written about the problem with Sunnite political theory many moons ago here, but this is a better treatment for those interested, though the translation is painful (but hey, that’s all there is out there right now):


    Bottom line?

    1. The impetus for social justice, which is built in to out *fitrah* (our primordial and divinely-oriented pre-eternal disposition) is constantly gnawing at the unjust status quo.

    2. This energy tends to sway the dynamic away from traditional Sunnite political theory (which basically prostitited itself to the raw power of the Abbasides and Umayyads, and yes, to Abu Bakr and Umar before them, which “falta” led to the Marwanid branch of the Sufyanids… and which justifies ‘might’ as ‘right’) to Shi’ite political theory, which lends legitimacy only to a just social order (that which is in accord with God’s design, as conveyed through Divine Writ).

    3. Until the elite of the religious leadership in Egypt and Turkey recognize the above two points and become Shi’a (at least in terms of their political philosophy), the Brotherhood and the joke that passes as Islam in Turkey will serve the interests of Wilayat al-Batel (Weaselhood) against Islam.

    Now having said that, it seems that novelty has been increasing at a geometric pace, which means that things are just not as predictable as they used to be. The two-centuries old Age of Western Dominion over the world under Victorian auspices ended with the War of 1914-1945 and the atomic dethroning of the God incarnate of the people of the Land of the Rising Sun, Hirohito . But it seems that the Bretton Woods Order that followed is not to be as long-lived, peaking at 1968 and crashing and burning before out own eyes. Anyway, the long-term forecast is for a very gradual and painful transition from post-Holy Roman Empire, post-Separation of Church and State global polity to a just Shi’a (rather than a shameful Sunni) polity, which means the rising light of Islam is waxing from the crescent moon of the Caliphate… to the gibbous moon of the *wilayah* (Guardianship Authority) of the *Faqih* (theosophical jurisconsult)… to the full moon of the *Sahib az-Zaman* (the Lord of the Age) – May God hasten his return.

  92. Dan Cooper says:

    Observer says:
    June 14, 2012 at 2:35 am

    Your ideological and emotional agendas are blinding you from reality.

    you are the one who is brainwashed by the west Zionist owned media.

    You are the one who is ranting and delusive.

    Wake up, this is what the reality is;

    “If the west did not arm the uprisings, there would not have been so many casualties.”

    Yes The entire world knows the truth that the western colonial project with the help of Qatar and Saudi Arabia have give arms to the Syrian oppositions and created a civil war which has result in the massive civilian casualties.

  93. James Canning says:


    Any Iranian agreement to suspend enriching to 20 percent would be as part of a deal approving Iran’s application to buy the TRR fuel from “the West”.

    Has Iran produced a single medical isotope, with the fuel rods/plates it has been making?

    Suspending enrichment to 20 percent would cost Iran nothing.

  94. James Canning says:


    Very likely, HILLARY CLINTON should be fingered with DENNIS ROSS, for the utterly stupid blocking of Iran’s application to buy fuel for the TRR. The UK wanted the application approved.

  95. James Canning says:


    Yes, absolutely: the West should have allowed Iran to buy fuel for the TRR. And who should be blamed for the utter stupidity of the US, in blocking Iran’s IAEA application? My money is on DENNIS ROSS.

    A serious question to ask is: did DENNIS ROSS participate in a scheme to block Iran’s application to re-fuel the TRR, so that Iran would be provoked into enriching to 20 percent, which in turn would wreck Obama’s effort to improve relations with Iran?

  96. James Canning says:


    The likely source of “loose nukes” that Saudi Arabia would buy, would be Pakistan. (If Iran actually built nukes, which seems unlikely.)

  97. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Well, I’m glad my comment about the Egyptian military made it up there before I heard that they dissolved parliament. Now I would be stunned if Shafiq is not announced president, and that there is a gruesome crackdown on the Tahrir protesters after this news is announced. Who knows, they might even bring out the camels again for primetime.

    Oh, and Nial. Take your stupid comments to your fellow warmonger and namesake’s Bahai website, where you will find a much more [mis-]”informed” bunch of pretentious losers. Your bogus disgust will fit right in over there, together with the rancid hypocrisy and double standards.

  98. BiBiJon says:

    Unknown Unknowns says:
    June 8, 2012 at 11:16 am

    “the beebol will make a stand and it will be the start of the real revolution, with plenty of blood on the hands of the weasel wannabies. Who knows? Maybe it will even spill into the Hijaz?”

    Truer words were seldom spoken.


  99. Rehmat says:

    New York City Council member and Israel’s critic, Charles Barron, is predicted to beat his opponent Assemblyman Hakeem Jeffries 42, in the June 26 Democratic primary that could send him to the US Congress representing district’s 20% pro-Israel Russian Jewish population.

    Pro-Israel Jewish groups are running crazy demonizing Barron. A recent poll taken among the Jewish community in the district denounced Barron in the harshest terms.

    “They called him an anti-Semite, a hate monger for remarks calling Israel “the biggest terrorist in the world” and likening Gaza to a death camp. They also called him “viper”, a “bigot of highest order” and a “scary monster“, ” reported the NY Daily News on June 13, 2012.


  100. Karl says:

    Egyptian Shafiq cleary show where he stands

    * Says he have no problem with Iran aslong as Iran doesnt influence muslims to be Shia.
    One thought that its up to egyptians themselves now when they want to democratize its society. Apparently not.

    * Says that the first nation he will travel to if elected is U.S. Yes of course, as a former minister under Muhbarak he will show gratitude and keep status quo in Egypt.


  101. Arnold Evans says:

    Unknown Unknowns says:
    June 14, 2012 at 5:02 am

    It seems you are right about this. Barack Obama’s puppet Egyptian government looks to be dissolving the elected Parliament as we speak.

  102. hans says:

    @fyi says:
    June 13, 2012 at 3:55 pm

    The Arab Spring is, in fact, a Muslim Awakening.

    LOL, what a fool to believe that this has anything to do with Islam?
    What genuine popular impulse there was at the outset of the “Awakening” has now been subsumed and absorbed into three major political projects associated with this push to reassert primacy: a Muslim Brotherhood project, a Saudi-Qatari-Salafist project, and a militant Salafist project.

    Iran rush to support the Salafist rats project in Libya was a serious mistake which will haunt them.
    But then again as I have previously said bigots always support bigots.

  103. Jay says:

    Arnold Evans says:
    June 9, 2012 at 12:34 pm

    For decades the resources of MB could not overcome Mubarak’s US-enabled iron fist. Only when it became necessary to remove an ailing dictator (for reasons that can be speculated but yet to be revealed), the MB resources, with the help and training by the US became efficient and sufficient. MB resources pale in comparison to what the US can muster.

    The ruling on Shafiq by the Egyptian court also dissolved the lower parliament. The day before, the decades long military rules that had only recently been dissolved was brought back. For a short while, the US had lost partial control of the dynamics in Egypt. It is now reasserting control. The only guarantee for a democratic outcome of Egypt’s elections is the people’s will – the degree to which the majority is willing to accept the loss of life in the ensuing conflict with the US-backed Egyptian military. Public polls suggest a dwindling apetite to fight.

    In addition to ongoing operations in Tunisia and Libya, the US has working plans (in action) and drone bases in or around Sudan, Eritrea, Chad, Djibouti, Ethiopia and Somalia. A look at the map and the rhetoric from the state department may be suggestive of the long view of the US policy in that part of the world. Egypt is a linchpin – the keys to it will not be given to an independent-minded Egyptian government without a huge “fight”. Shafiq can be easily installed and be given an aura of “elected” legitimacy.

  104. Rd. says:

    NATO preparing vast disinformation campaign

    Member States of NATO and the GCC are preparing a coup d’état and a sectarian genocide in Syria. If you want to prevent these crimes, you should act now: circulate this article on the Internet and alert your elected officials.

    by Thierry Meyssan


  105. Cyrus_2 says:

    Welcome to RFA, Observer, or should I say Sassan :-)

  106. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Why, pray tell, is that Moooslem Barak Hooo-sane genuflecting to the serial war criminal Perez? Does that not go against that black devil’s Satanic faith?

  107. Unknown Unknowns says:


    Methinks you underestimate the contempt in which the Egyptian army (which has run the country since Nasser’s coup) holds the Egyptian beebol and their democratic aspirations. And of course the house nigger’s contempt for their field nigger fellow citizens is engendered and fostered by the Weasels who hold their own citizenry in just as much contempt, if only they would wake up and smell the kosher Vaseline.

  108. Observer says:

    Dan Cooper: your delusional ranting is so comical that at the end, it’s not even funny but sad. The massacres going on in Syria is via the hands of Assad’s cronies and his Shabiha militia. Make no mistake about this. The entire world knows this truth including the useless United Nations. Your delusions have taken you so far as to deny and justify the actions of a baby killer in Bashar al-Assad.

    Here is video of Assad’s thugs burying someone alive: http://youtu.be/5rOAilbWwGM

  109. Sineva says:

    James Canning says:
    June 13, 2012 at 1:07 pm
    And how pray tell would the saudis obtain these mythical nukes,this sort of thing might work in one of tom clancys bad novels but in the real world,as a wag on another site noted,the saudis cannot even make washing machines let alone gas centrifuges,had there ever going to be a regional nuclear arms race it would have happened back in the 60/70s,that the arabs did not do this as soon as israels nuclear ambitions came to light was one more of the countless many failings of arab leadership.If the west did not want iran enriching to 20% then they should have provided iran with the fuel for the trr,they did not do this because they thought they could use the shutdown of the trr and the denial of the nuclear medicine it provioded to sick people as a further source of pressure to inflict on iran however the west had once again underestimated iran both politically and technologically and only had itself to blame.So tell me this James why should iran give up something it needs and that the west in its stupidity gave iran the perfect justification for in return for what..?,some aeroplane parts.The west only has itself to blame for this situation not iran.The real question here is not about iran or its ambitions the real question here is what it has always been and only when those in power start asking themselves this question and answering it honestly will there be any hope of change in the middle east.The question of course is What price Israel? and the price shows no sign of decreasing quite the opposite

  110. Dan Cooper says:

    hubris returned to America with the neoconservative ascendency. Americans have become “the indispensable people.” Like the Jacobins of the French Revolution who intended to impose “liberty, equality, fraternity” upon all of Europe, Washington asserts the superiority of the American way and the right to impose it on the rest of the world. Hubris is in full flower despite its defeats. The “three week” Iraq war lasted eight years, and after 11 years the Taliban control more of Afghanistan than the “world’s only superpower.”

    Sooner or later American hubris is going to run up against Russia and China, neither of which will give way. Either the US, like Napoleon and Hitler, will have its Russian (or Chinese) moment, or the world will go up in thermonuclear smoke.

    The only solution for humanity is to immediately impeach and imprison warmongers when first sighted before their hubris leads us yet again into the death and destruction of war.

    Hubris as the Evil Force in History

    By Paul Craig Roberts


  111. Dan Cooper says:

    Nial Cole says:
    June 13, 2012 at 11:22 am

    Assad is not responsible for the massacre.

    The western colonial project with the help of Qatar and Saudi Arabia have give arms to the Syrian oppositions, created a civil war which has result in the massive civilian casualties.

    Now the west is brainwashing the international community through its corrupt media that the Asad’s government is responsible for everything.

    Don’t let them fool you.

    If the west did not arm the uprisings, there would not have been so many casualties.

  112. Rehmat says:

    Israeli Watchdog slams Netanyahu

    On Wednesday, Judge Micha Lindenstrauss released his 153-page report – slamming Israeli hawkish prime minister Benji Netanyahu for ordering the deadly Israeli naval raid on a Gaza-bound ship two years ago.


  113. Observer says:

    Shimon Peres is a true man of peace. I congratulate Mr. Shimon Peres for today receiving the U.S. Presidential Medal of Freedom.

  114. BiBiJon says:

    By this coming Solstice … grand bargain

    Democratic Heavyweights Advocate Broadening Negotiations with Iran

    based on the opinion piece “Enlarging Frame” last month in HuffPo by Gary Hart, Matthew Hodes, and Lee H. Hamilton


  115. ToivoS says:

    Nial Cole says:
    June 13, 2012 at 11:22 am
    “How about getting China on board to pressure Assad to stop the massacres in Syria,”

    Two errors in one sentence. What is happening in Syria is a civil war — terrorist rebels on one side, police state on the other. Error 2, China has a very well defined foreign policy of non-intervention in the internal affairs of other nations. They do not roam the world looking for more war as is US policy.

  116. fyi says:

    James Canning says: June 13, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    Theose blunders as well others blunders by USSR, US, Iraq, Persian Gulf Arabs, Afghan Communists and EU have destroyed Modernism in all of the Islamic world.

    The only path forward has become “Islam is the Answer”.

    US-EU cannot address themselves to that; all they offer is more war and bloodshed.

    Mr. Khamenei has been correct in his two assessments:

    1- US is incapable of Logic; i.e. “Speech informed by Reason”.
    2- The Arab Spring is, in fact, a Muslim Awakening.

    Needless to say, the social aspects of Arab Awakening will make the Nekbat-e Islami in Iran look like a liberal order.

  117. Karl says:


    If you are against sanctions, then your arguments makes no sense.
    Instead of legitimize the sanctions as you in fact do whatever you are aware of it or not, speak out against them, dont condone them or more concrete, dont see them as a legitimate action as a response to what Iran do. That argument just give credit to warmongers and pro-sanctions group.

    You keep saying Iran bludered for example and therefore you see sanctions as a legitimate action. Iran blundered and must take the shots is you argument, thus you putting the blame on Iran for having sanctions on them. That US put sanctions on Iran is a fact, but that doesnt mean those sanctions are legitimate or legal. Thus the whole argument that Iran blundered could only be used by someone who support the sanctions.

  118. James Canning says:

    Sheldon Adelson is giving Mitt Romney $10 million, in hopes of seeing Obama defeated. Obama is not sufficiently supportive of Israel right or wrong.

  119. James Canning says:


    Re: your statement that the US needed an excuse to “clip Saddam Hussein’s wings”, and thus encouraged him to invade Kuwait.

    April Glaspie blundered by giving Saddam the impression the US would not throw him out of Kuwiat by force, if he invaded.

    Dick Cheney blundered, by not having G H W Bush telephone Saddam and tell him not to invade, once it was clear an Iraqi invasion was imminent.

    Would Dick Cheney participate in a scheme intended to encourage Saddam to invade, so his army could be smashed? Or was Cheney “played”?

  120. James Canning says:

    Don Bacon,

    Iran announced in June 2011 that it would treble production of 20 percent uranium. Saudi Arabia then made clear it will obtain nukes if Iran build nukes. Britain pledged to the Saudis that Iran would not be allowed to stockpile 20 percent uranium.

    Of course Obama is not going to mention the trebling of enrichment to 20 percent, as the reason for the latest sanctions. ISRAEL LOBBY wants sanctions, and more sanctions, and still more sanctions. Why? So that Iran is weaker and poorer than otherwise would obtain. Why? So Iran is not as well able to help the Palestinians to resist Israeli oppression.

  121. James Canning says:


    I have said many times I oppose the sanctions against Iranian energy exports. And that I think the sanctions in general are counter-productive. And that they do not work toward “regime change” (which I oppose anyway).

    But, that said, Iran should not have invited further sanctions by trebling production of 20 percent uranium. This was an obvious blunder.

  122. James Canning says:


    Israel murders Iranian scientists. Not “the west”. Dome danger obviously exists, that Israeli targeting benefits from information obtained from other countries.

  123. James Canning says:


    The Dolphin class submarines Israel has obtained from Germany are diesel-electric.

  124. James Canning says:


    Define “strategic defiance”, by Iran. Are you claiming Iran will stockpile so much 20 percent uranium as to compel Obama to attack (assuming he wins re-election)?

  125. kathleen says:

    link to act.credoaction.com
    We can’t make another mistake like the Iraq War.

    This week marked the ninth anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, and we once again see dangerous momentum for another irresponsible, unnecessary and costly war — this time with Iran


  126. Nial Cole says:

    How about getting China on board to pressure Assad to stop the massacres in Syria, hmmm? Or do we adopt your snotty purposely-morally obtuse position that well, it’s in China’s national interest so stay silent.

    You disgust me.

  127. kathleen says:

    Whoa Glenn Greenwald hits another one out of the morals park

    link to salon.com
    “Today’s defense of President Obama from Andrew Sullivan is devoted to refuting Conor Friedersdorf’s criticism of Obama’s drone program. Says Sullivan:

    What frustrates me about Conor’s position – and Greenwald’s as well – is that it kind of assumes 9/11 didn’t happen or couldn’t happen again, and dismisses far too glibly the president’s actual responsibility as commander-in-chief to counter these acts of mass terror.

    This is exactly backward. I absolutely believe that another 9/11 is possible. And the reason I believe it’s so possible is that people like Andrew Sullivan — and George Packer — have spent the last decade publicly cheering for American violence brought to the Muslim world, and they continue to do so (now more than ever under Obama). Far from believing that another 9/11 can’t happen, I’m amazed that it hasn’t already, and am quite confident that at some point it will. How could any rational person expect their government to spend a full decade (and counting) invading, droning, cluster-bombing, occupying, detaining without charges, and indiscriminately shooting huge numbers of innocent children, women and men in multiple countries and not have its victims and their compatriots be increasingly eager to return the violence?

    Just consider what one single, isolated attack on American soil more than a decade ago did to Sullivan, Packer and company: the desire for violence which that one attack 11 years ago unleashed is seemingly boundless by time or intensity. Given the ongoing American quest for violence from that one-day attack, just imagine the impact which continuous attacks over the course of a full decade must have on those whom we’ve been invading, droning, cluster-bombing, occupying, detaining without charges, and indiscriminately shooting.”

  128. Karl says:

    Iranian media companies and negogiating-envoy have proposed sending the talks live or having journalist during the talks. Great proposal and idea. A party that offer such an offer obviously have nothing to hide, compared to the other side, US, who of course will reject this.

  129. Karl says:

    Vital point regarding the embargo-factor in the talks.

    “…According to renowned Iranian economist Bijan Khajehpour, 85 percent of the embargo is already in effect. Delaying its formal imposition will not cause buyers to return to the Iranian market. All it will do is to provide the West with an ability to use the oil embargo as the bargaining tool it was supposed to be — and exchange it for tangible, verifiable Iranian nuclear concessions.”


    US try to use the embargo as a tool, like ‘Iran must do this or that and in return they wont get the embargo imposed on them’. This tactic is highly decieving since as the source above points out, the embargo have in 85% already kicked in. Iran has already lost clients and would therefore gain nothing by giving up something in return for removing of a coming embargo.

  130. kathleen says:

    “James Canning says:
    June 12, 2012 at 5:21 pm

    Shimon Peres is in Washington, so Obama can pin the Congressional medal of honor on his chest, and receive Peres’ entreaties to release the notorious spy, Jonathan Pollard, who spied for Israel (and the Soviet Union) decades ago. Casper Weinberger thought Pollard should have been shot.”


    Barney Frank and Gary Ackerman push Obama to free Pollard
    by Philip Weiss on June 9, 2012 108

    On the basis of a document production from the federal government that he sought, Grant Smith at Antiwar.com predicts that Obama will pardon Jonathan Pollard, imprisoned since 1987 for espionage for Israel, so as to please the Israel lobby. The documents create a sense of a culminating campaign, Smith says. Excerpt:


  131. fyi says:


    The oil and financial sanction against Iran are irrelevant to the Iranian strategic calculus.

    A decision has been made to work through these sanctions.

    Another decision has been made not to engage in incrementalism.

    The siege war will go on until Iranians break out of the siege; as they are doing.

    US has no answer to Iranian strategic definance – none, zilch, nada.

    Just as she has no answer to war in Palestine.

    Or the war in Afghanistan.

  132. kathleen says:

    China Is Secondary Target of Sanctions on Iran
    Other importers of Iranian oil have been granted exemptions, but Washington has refused to grant them to China

    “The Obama administration has agreed to let numerous countries be exempt from penalties under a harsh new set of economic sanctions on Iran’s oil sector, but has refused to grant China – a major importer of Iranian oil – such exemptions.”

  133. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Quote from George Washington’s Farewell Address


    “So likewise, a passionate attachment of one nation for another produces a variety of evils. Sympathy for the favorite nation, facilitating the illusion of an imaginary common interest in cases where no real common interest exists, and infusing into one the enmities of the other, betrays the former into a participation in the quarrels and wars of the latter without adequate inducement or justification. It leads also to concessions to the favorite nation of privileges denied to others which is apt doubly to injure the nation making the concessions; by unnecessarily parting with what ought to have been retained, and by exciting jealousy, ill-will, and a disposition to retaliate, in the parties from whom equal privileges are withheld. And it gives to ambitious, corrupted, or deluded citizens (who devote themselves to the favorite nation), facility to betray or sacrifice the interests of their own country, without odium, sometimes even with popularity; gilding, with the appearances of a virtuous sense of obligation, a commendable deference for public opinion, or a laudable zeal for public good, the base or foolish compliances of ambition, corruption, or infatuation.

    As avenues to foreign influence in innumerable ways, such attachments are particularly alarming to the truly enlightened and independent patriot. How many opportunities do they afford to tamper with domestic factions, to practice the arts of seduction, to mislead public opinion, to influence or awe the public councils. Such an attachment of a small or weak towards a great and powerful nation dooms the former to be the satellite of the latter.

    Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.”

  134. Rehmat says:

    Islamic Republic is the only country among 57 Muslim nation states which has succeeded in manufacturing all conventional arms to defend itself from the enemies of the 1979 Islamic Revolution under the leadership of Imam Khomeini.

    Iran has not stopped there. In order to face daily threats from Israel, the US and other western regimes – Iran has extended its research and development into the most modern warfare technology. After Iran’s No.1 enemy, the Zionist entity received its first nuclear submarine from Germany last month – Tehran has announced the commissioning of a project to manufacture its own nuclear-powered submarine.

    Islamic Republic is one of world’s few countries which have the capabilities in designing and manufacturing different kind of submarines. Last month, Iranian scientists proved their capabilites by launching ‘Tareq’, an old Russian submarine totally overhauled in Iran. Speaking at the launching ceremony, on May 29, Iranian Navy Commander Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari lauded Iranian experts’ success in repairing heavy submarines, saying their outstanding capabilities and mastery of the hi-tech used in naval vessels display the failure of enemy sanctions and pressures.

    Last year, the Iranian Navy’s Tareq-class submarine, ‘Younus’, managed to set a new record in sailing the international waters and high seas for 68 days. It sailed alongside warships of the 14th fleet of the Iranian Navy, returned home in early June 2011 following an over two-month-long mission in the Red Sea and the Gulf of Aden.

    Speaking to FNA on Tuesday, Lieutenant Commander of the Navy for Technical Affairs Rear Admiral Abbas Zamini pointed to the navy’s plan to manufacture super heavy nuclear-powered submarines, and stated, “Right now, we are at the initial phases of manufacturing atomic submarines.”

    Only a handful of nations can boast their own technology to make nuclear-powered submarines. These include the US, the UK, Russia, France and China. India is also reportedly building one.


  135. khurshid says:

    To all

    Chemistry Nobel Laureate, Peter Agre, is visiting Iran. We know from Wikileaks that West has a clear plan to murder Iran’s scientists. Could this visit by Mr Peter Agre be a cover to identify Iranian scientists and academics to be murdered by west? After all Mr Agre is US government’s scientific ambassador to Europe.

  136. M. Ali says:

    Responce to:

    Photi says:
    June 8, 2012 at 11:03 am

    I’m a bit late, but I jsut read Poti’s reposting of Larijani’s interview and its hilarious how Charlie Ross is trying to put words in his mouth.

    So, I decided to show how ridicolous this way of thinking is by making this up:

    Setting: Iranian is interviewed by an American for a job

    American: I’m assuming you want this job to buy drugs.

    Iranian: What? No, what are you talking about.

    American: Well, this job pays you a salary.

    Iranian: I know, which is why I want to work here.

    American: Yes, but getting paid means you can buy drugs with that money, correct?

    Iranian: I suppose…

    American: Then you are applying for this job to buy drugs.

    Iranian: No, that’s not…

    American: Wouldn’t getting paid mean that you will have the capability to purchase drugs?

    Iranian: Yes, but thats not why I want to the job.

    American: But you could if you wanted to, right? With the money?

    Iranian: …yes.

    American: So, you want to buy drugs.

    *Iranian interviewee is arrested for planning to buy drugs*

  137. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    How William Kristol Purged the Arabists [from the Republican party and Congress]
    by Patrick Buchanan


  138. Karl says:


    So you “question” legality of unilateral sanctions, how about the mulilateral sanctions, do you see them as legal and legitimate?

  139. Don Bacon says:

    US exports to Iran tripled Mar-Apr 2012

    US trade with Iran
    exports ($M)
    Jan 2012 11.0
    Feb 2012 16.3
    Mar 2012 13.9
    Apr 2012 43.8

  140. Rehmat says:

    Israeli Colonel Zusman echoed fears within the Zionist entity of a military backlash amid Israeli threats of a unilateral strike against Islamic Republic over country’s nuclear program. Zusman said that despite the fact that Israel touts the ‘Iron Dome rocket shield’ – the most sophisticated anti-aircraft system in the world – no system can provide total protection to Israeli population from Hizbullah and Hamas rockets which are expected to be used in retaliation to Israel or US attack against Iran.


  141. James Canning says:

    Shimon Peres is in Washington, so Obama can pin the Congressional medal of honor on his chest, and receive Peres’ entreaties to release the notorious spy, Jonathan Pollard, who spied for Israel (and the Soviet Union) decades ago. Casper Weinberger thought Pollard should have been shot.

  142. Karl says:

    Israeli extremist president use islamophobia and classic prejudice to warmonger against Iran. Despicable.

    If a leader of a western state or any state for that matter said that jews tried to subdue the the world he sure would be called an antisemite, and Peres would probably be the first to utter it.

    President Shimon Peres denounced Iran in a meeting with U.S. military officials on Monday, warning against its “imperialistic ambitions based on religion.” “No responsible country in the world can accept the situation in which the Middle East falls victim to Iranian hegemony,”


  143. James Canning says:


    There are divergent opinions within “the West” and within the P5+1 countries, as to whether Iran is trying to get ready to build nukes quickly.

    I think that some of the haters of Iran and “supporters” of Israel, who help shape US policy, wanted Iran to commence enriching to 20 percent, to make it easier to block Obama’s effort to reach out to Iran. They may hope Iran continues to enrich to 20 percent, to prevent any improvement of US relations with Iran.

  144. James Canning says:

    Scott McConnell, “Knowing a bit about Iran before sliding into war” (June 12th):


    Wlater Pincus of the Washington Post gets a kudo (as he should).

  145. James Canning says:


    The P5+1 have made it clear they want Iran to suspend enriching to 20 percent, as a demonstration of good faith, before any deal to lift sanctions. Spare parts for civilian aircraft is one exception.

  146. James Canning says:


    Re: Hill & Knowlton and the PR campaign to garner support for US effort to drive the Iraqis out of Kuwait by military force if they refused to leave voluntarily:


  147. James Canning says:


    Try “Obama’s colonial negotiator and Bush Sr. campaigner: Dennis Ross”


    (re: Dennis Ross’ meeting with Edouard Shevardnadze two hours before Iraq invaded Kuwait)

  148. James Canning says:


    Iran would be richer and more powerful if it had not re-started enrichment of uranium. The US would have preferred that Iran not re-start enriching of uranium. Thus the US would have preferred for Iran to be richer and more powerful today, than it is. No harm to US from Iranian wealth a power, provided it is not used to subvert the Saudis (and other Gulf countries). ISRAEL LOBBY obviously prefers that Iran be poorer and less powerful.

  149. James Canning says:

    Saudi Arabia exported 9.9 million barrels of oil per day in May. June will be the same or even higher. The Saudis want oil to stay at about $100. Iran prefers higher prices.

  150. James Canning says:


    I question the “legality” of the unilateral sanctions imposed (or being imposed) after Iran trebled production of 20 percent uranium. Even if the sanctions are illegal, it made no sense for Iran to cause them to be imposed.

  151. James Canning says:


    Surely you do not think G H W Bush wanted Saddam Hussein to occupy Kuwait. Colin Powell would not have subscribed to that sort of thing. But Dennis Ross might have, possibly?

  152. Kathleen says:

    So will the Obama administration continue to go with Israel’s Iranian agenda or protect U.S. National security interest?

    The Obama administration is sure focused on the Stuxnet leaker of leakers? Will be interesting to find out if this person or persons (leakers) were also in the Clinton administration?

    StuxNet: Covert Op-Exposing Code In, Covert Op-Exposing Code Out

  153. fyi says:


    Harrasment of young women in Tehran:


    Axis States are doing their best to strangulate Iran, yet the Islamic Disaster marches on…

    Fool, no doubt.

    We have to wait for two generations (40 years) for these foolish men and women to die for the situation to improve.


  154. fyi says:

    Andreas Schmidt says: June 12, 2012 at 5:31 am

    Putin’s statements about Zarathustra are correct.

    In fact, to my knowledge, God’s Revelation was first given to Zarathustra more than 8000 years ago.

    That is the earliest Revelation that I know of.

    It is astonishing when you read a number of Euro-American novels (pwriten over centuries) or watch some of their movies and notice the common theme of return to the country-side; where agriculture and animal husbandary as a way of life dominate and where one can, in effect, rejuvinate one’s soul.

    Which was the message of Zoroaster.

    In regards to the Russian Federation and Iran – Russia has lost what the Tsars had obtained over 300 years. She no longer border Iran. They have no bone of contention. And there is no strategic quarrel.

    Furthermore, 10% of the population of the Russian Federation is Muslim.

    Iran has no problem with her and won’t.

  155. fyi says:

    James Canning says: June 11, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    It was a trap for the late Saddam Hussein.

    Americans needed a way to clip his wings after he had defeated Iran.

    What happened, in the end, was it helped the rise of Shia/Irani power.

  156. Fiorangela says:

    Andreas Schmidt says: June 12, 2012 at 5:31 am

    Your comments about Russia and Iran’s common roots motivated me to re-read Arnold Toynbee’s “The World and the West.” Toynbee places Germany firmly in “the West,” but German scholars have located Germany within the Indo-European, that is, Aryan, philological band that extends from India and Iran to Ireland.

  157. Karl says:


    Do you think the sanctions are legal and legitimate?

  158. Andreas Schmidt says:

    @ Fiorangela
    June 11, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    “Putin a Counterbalance to U.S. Imperial Ambitions?”

    Hullo Fiorangela,

    Two flashbacks that may fit in.



    State buoni se potete … tutto il resto è vanità



    President Putin about Iran, Russia and Zoroastrianism

    31 October 2007


    “I don’t consider myself a specialist of Persian literature, which I
    regret, because everything I hear or learn is very interesting despite
    being fragmented. This also concerns the history of Iran, a part of
    world history. Iran is initially a world power that spread from the
    near East to India, and even included some parts of the former Soviet
    Iran is a country of protoreligion, Zoroastrianism. Some specialist
    consider it an eventual source of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.
    But according to some studies, Zoroastrianism was born on Russia’s
    territory, in the south Urals. And followers of this great religion
    ended up on the territory of Iran after a great migration. This is to
    say that the histories of our two countries and the roots of their
    cultural exchange are much deeper than can be imagined at first. That
    gives security that our two countries will always be able to
    communicate on any problem, since we understand one another.”




    Special Reports March 2010
    Iran-Russia relations in historical perspective

    By Maksud Djavadov


    How does this relate to Iran-Russia relations? When the USSR collapsed, Russian political elites totally capitulated to the Western model of society and statehood. However, because the Western capitalist system was exploited in the early 90s and caused vast corruption, human rights violations and crime, a large segment of the Russian society became disillusioned with this model. Many Russian intellectuals revived Eurasianism as an alternative and some saw Iran as an existential ally of Eurasianist Russia due to its Islamic system of government. One staunch pro-Islamic Iran ally was the head of the intergovernmental division of the Defense Ministry, General Leonid Ivashov. He viewed the course that the Russian leadership was taking as tragic and due to his disagreements with it, General Ivashov was forced to retire in 2001. The fact that a high ranking Russian military official was a staunch Eurasianist shows that Eurasianism has a broad support base among the Russian elite. If Eurasianism were properly supported by the Muslim world, Russia could turn into a strategic partner not only of Iran, but of the broader Muslim world. Currently Eurasianist forces in Russia are not as active as they were in the mid-90s; however, they still have a reasonable presence on the Russian political scene.

    Islamic Iran should, therefore, actively pursue the revival of Eurasianist forces or at least their values in Russia in order to establish a durable partnership with Russia based on the Islamic principle of Dar-al-Sulh which the Prophet Muhammad (s) implemented during the migration of Muslims to Ethiopia. Eurasianist Russia is the only guarantee that Iran-Russia partnership can become durable and strategic.


  159. Karl says:


    US “cant” reach out to Iran, mainly of 2 reasons. Rejection by Israel and pro-israeli groups/persons in the US. Second doing so will acknowledge iranian power on this and will also show US as a weak player.

  160. Fiorangela says:

    James Canning says: June 11, 2012 at 1:46 pm

    James, I responded to your earlier question about Ross’s role in the first Iraq war; the response got lost in cyberspace.

    Do you have a source for your comment that Ross met with USSR foreign minister two hours before Iraq invaded Kuwait?

    According to Pierre Salinger, G H W Bush was out of the loop, psychologically, at least, on decision-making regarding Iraq.
    One wonders who came up with the babies-in-incubators idea, and why someone believed it was necessary to lie to the American people to gain their acquiescence to a war.

  161. Liz says:

    The BBC finally shows 4 minutes of an alternative (and realistic) view on Syria! The video is of poor quality though:


  162. Rehmat says:

    Two days ago, Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov has proposed an international conference to resolve the Syrian insurgency. His proposal has met resistance from the US and Israel due to Moscow’s view that efforts to achieve peace in the Middle East cannot succeed without the participation of Iran in the dialogues.

    “We proceed from the fact that Iran should be among its participants, along with countries neighboring with Syria and other states that have influence on Syrian sides,” Russian foreign ministry said in a statement today.


  163. bushtheliberator says:

    dear Karl,
    I don’t believe “the US is silently reaching out to Iran to help”, or that it’s any” proof ” of the IRI’s “power”
    The IRI remains #2 in the Axis of Evil, and their Best Baath Buddy is our target.
    We’ll see if the IRI has the power to protect its allies in Syria.

  164. Karl says:

    Another hint that US dont have, removing of sanctions, on the table thus any talks are useless since US obviously arent ready to give Iran anything back in a deal.


  165. James Canning says:

    Those who follow the career of Dennis Ross, including the very poor advice he has given to Obama since Obama entered the White House, might well wonder why the US did not tell Saddam Hussein not to invade Kuwait.

    Dennis Ross met with the foreign minister of the USSR two hours before Iraq invaded Kuwait. Ross knew the invasion was imminent but Shevardnadze did not.

  166. James Canning says:


    Yousaf Butt’s article that you linked would be better if he distinguished between what the ISRAEL LOBBY, Aipac, other Jewish groups, neocon warmongers, et al., want, and what “the West” wants. And he should have made clearer that Iran easily could suspend enriching to 20 percent, on an understanding some sanctions would be lifted, and then re-start enriching to 20%.

    Butt seems to argue that Iran should try to force “the West” to lift sanctions in exchange for suspending enrichment to 20 percent. That approach would be precisely what Bibi Netanyahu hopes to see.

  167. James Canning says:


    How could the fatwa be a “blunder”? In fact, Iran had not given sufficient publicity to the fatwa.

    Iran’s blunder was trebling 20% U. This virtually demanded that more sanctions be imposed.

  168. BiBiJon says:

    Couple of points.

    a) My question to the board needs some clarification. My question is if, as I suspect, the west is absolutely certain Iran will not (ever) make a nuclear weapon, then provoking Iran into predictable acts of defiance, e.g. installing more centrifuges, and stockpiling more LEU will not worry the west. If there were some ambiguity about Iran’s nuclear intentions, then provoking Iran into going in the wrong direction would have had some inbuilt limits. No?

    b) My solstice bet is still on.

    “US Mulls Seeking Broader Deal In Nuclear Talks With Iran”

  169. fyi says:

    BiBiJon says: June 11, 2012 at 7:05 am

    No it was not.

    At the highest state authority, Iranians stated that they will not build a nuclear bomb.

    At the same time, they declared the posession of bomb anti-Islamic, pre-empting other Muslim states from having them or developing them.

    They thus burdened Pakistan as well – a major source of threat to Iran.

    The blunder was remaining in NPT after 1998.

  170. fyi says:

    Jay says: June 10, 2012 at 5:52 pm

    Yes, liberal imperialism is dead – certainly in the Middle East.

    That is because the Axis States have no positive program for the region – only war and more war.

    Furthermore, these states are now without the financial might to pay for their agenda all over the world; the Financial Collapse of 2011 had destroyed the basis of their power.

    They are “dead men walking.”

  171. Cyrus_2 says:

    Interesting article about global oil production & demand:

    The chart below reveals a truer picture of the worldwide energy situation. Conventional oil production hit its peak/plateau around 74 million barrels per day at the end of 2004, and has barely budged from that level over the last eight years. Despite all the rhetoric about the North American oil boom, conventional oil production is at virtually the same level today as it was in 2004. The U.S.(shale oil) and Canadian (tar sands) gains in production have been matched by the collapse in Mexican production. The Middle East countries produced 23.3 million barrels in September 2004. The average price of a barrel of oil in 2004 was $38. They are now only producing 23.9 million barrels when prices are 120% higher.

    We’ve entered one of these periodic economic crashes. They are coming faster and faster. So enjoy that 40 cent drop in gas prices as you drive down to sign up for food stamps. The Saudis have a saying that acknowledges their luck in being born on top of billions of barrels of oil and the inevitability of its depletion:

    “My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies a jet plane, his son will ride a camel.”


  172. BiBiJon says:

    Shame on Juan Cole, the warmonger extraordinaire

    As earlier referenced by ‘An Iranian View’ @ June 9, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    There’s a fuller account here http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/302261/report-rebels-responsible-houla-massacre-john-rosenthal#

  173. BiBiJon says:

    Question for the board: Was the fatwa a blunder?

    With reference to: “A Queen for a Queen
    If the West really wants to halt Iran’s uranium enrichment, it needs to get serious about scaling back sanctions.”

    by Yousaf Butt http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/06/05/a_queen_for_a_queen

    Did Iranian officials’ rather convincing denials of wanting/needing nuclear weapons, crowned by religious edicts with complete consensus among Shi’a marj’a (sources of emulation), and capped off by Ay. Khamenei’s fatwa, in effect removed ‘ambiguity’ enabling a cost-free, open-ended sanctions and pressure on Iran for the exclusive purpose of more sanctions and pressure on Iran?

    Yousaf for “one gets the feeling that keeping sanctions and pressure on Iran is more important to the West than resolving the nuclear issue.”

  174. Castellio says:

    If one wants to get a better taste of the deep US-Israeli governmental fusion in Congress, you could read this:


    The key line is Netanyahu’s, who addresses the concerns of the American politician with a daughter serving in the Israeli army. “Tell them your daughter is not only fighting to protect Israel. She’s fighting to protect America. Israel is the front line in the war for freedom.”

  175. Rehmat says:

    Somalia’s Islamic Resistance Al-Shabaab has mocked Washington’s offer of $33 million for information leading to the arrest of resistance’s chief Ahmed Abdi aw-Mohamed (Abu Zubayr). On Friday, Fuad Mohamed Khalaf, a senior leader of Al-Shabaab made a counter offer of 10 camels for tip-offs enabling the arrest of Barack Obama.


  176. James Canning says:

    Don Bacon,

    I think Iran already has built the gas pipeline up to its border with Pakistan. I agree that extension of that line into Pakistan would be a good thing.

  177. James Canning says:

    The Russian FM at time Iraq invaded Kuwait was Shevardnadze (who resigned Dec. 1990). Primakov was Gorbachev’s envoy to Saddam Hussein prior to the Gulf War, who failed to persuade Saddam that he had to agree to pull out of Kuwait or suffer the destruction of the Iraqi army. Primakov thought that if Saddam insisted on being stupid, there was nothing to be done.

  178. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    June 10, 2012 at 1:28 pm


    no mistake! Liberal imperialism! Your operating paradigm is long dead!

    In your neck of the woods UK politicians have been writing about their new imperialism vision for a decade. It is all in black and white. I don’t need to guess like you – there is absolutely no link between 20% and sanctions. Zero! There is no mistake.

  179. BiBiJon says:

    James Canning says:
    June 10, 2012 at 1:35 pm

    “You linked, as a news report by McClatchy, an editorial from the Baltimore Sun dated June 6th. And that editorial does not claim Iran is building nukes.”

    James, I’ll leave it to others who read that article to deduce for themselves what is implied/claimed by phrases such as: “nuclear weapons program”;”
    drive to build a bomb”; “several hundred centrifuges used to purify uranium into weapons-grade material at Natanz.”

    But, I know you’re just being argumentative. Hope you got that out of your system for tonight, and will now proceed to contribute your usual about how Iran would be in heaven right now if not for that 20% blunder thingy.

    Read more here [if you have the stomach for more disinformation]: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/06/08/151609/war-in-cyberspace.html#storylink=cpy

  180. Don Bacon says:

    James Canning,
    Re: “Jay,You argue in effect that Iran’s announcement of its intent to treble production of 20 percent uranium did not cause the latest round of sanctions. You are quite mistaken.”
    The last three US sanctions orders against Iran say nothing about Iran’s intent to treble production of 20 percent uranium.

    May 1, 2012
    328 – Executive Order 13608 – Prohibiting Certain Transactions With and Suspending Entry Into the United States of Foreign Sanctions Evaders With Respect to Iran and Syria
    I, Barack Obama, President of the United States of America, hereby find that efforts by foreign persons to engage in activities intended to evade U.S. economic and financial sanctions with respect to Iran and Syria . .
    Section 1. (a) The Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State, is hereby authorized to impose on a foreign person the measures described in subsection (b) of this section upon determining that the foreign person: . . .

    Apr 22, 2012
    294 – Executive Order 13606 – Blocking the Property and Suspending Entry into the United States of Certain Persons With Respect to Grave Human Rights Abuses by the Governments of Iran and Syria Via Information Technology
    I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, hereby determine that the commission of serious human rights abuses against the people of Iran and Syria by their governments, facilitated by computer and network disruption, monitoring, and tracking by those governments, . . .to address the situation described above, I hereby order: . . .
    Section 1. (a) All property and interests in property that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of any United States person, including any foreign branch, of the following persons are blocked and may not be transferred, . .

    Feb 5, 2012
    83 – Executive Order 13599 – Blocking Property of the Government of Iran and Iranian Financial Institutions
    I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, in order to take additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared in Executive Order 12957 of March 15, 1995, . . . and the continuing and unacceptable risk posed to the international financial system by Iran’s activities, hereby order: . .
    Section 1. (a) All property and interests in property of the Government of Iran, including the Central Bank of Iran, that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of any United States person, including any foreign branch, are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in. . .

  181. Karl says:


    You didnt respond to my question. Could you please do that or atleast say you decline to do so?

  182. Voice of Tehran says:

    Folks , finally I found the TRUTH :)
    “It’s not the oil , Stupid , it’s GAAASSS !


    Struggle over the Middle East: Gas Ranks First
    by Prof.Imad Fawzi Shueibi

    …The media and military attack against Syria is directly related to the global competition for energy, as explained by Professor Imad Shuebi in this masterful article. At a time when the euro area threatens to collapse, where an acute economic crisis has led the U.S. into a debt of up to 14 940 billion, and where their influence is dwindling in the face of the emerging BRICS powers, it becomes clear that the key to economic success and political domination lies mainly in the control of the energy source of the century: gas. It is because she is at the heart of the most colossal gas reserves in the world that Syria is being targeted. The wars of the last century were fought for oil, but a new era has dawned, that of wars for gas.

    *Nabucco in a tight spot:…
    *China’s Participation:…
    *The Gas of Syria:…

  183. Karl says:

    Don Bacon,

    Good news indeed, hopefully its correct. Sure will make a hegemonic and diplomatically blow to spoilers in the White house wanting the project to end.
    Great move by Pakistan too, its time for the states in the region to become independent when it comes to these questions.

    Another example is that palestinians say they might go to the UN General Assembly for a recognition of a palestinian statehood. US response? Threat of sanctions.

    U.S. warns Palestinians of sanctions over UN

    Its time for the palestinians to get independent too and stop being dictated by israeli interests. To follow Israel demands is a bulletproof way to never get a palestinian statehood.

  184. Sineva says:

    Karl says:
    June 10, 2012 at 4:52 am

    There is some very credible evidence that Iran does posses some s300 batteries,wether these are the older less capable models or the later ones is unknown

  185. Don Bacon says:

    Stranger than fiction–
    Israel is a founding member of the IAEA (1957) and participated in an IAEA nuclear mission to Canada last December. But nuclear state Israel refuses to sign the NPT and won’t allow the IAEA in its nation, despite Arab League pressure. The pressure comes because according to polls Arabs in the ME fear Israel and not Iran. While Israel won’t allow a IAEA visit, that restriction hasn’t applied to the IAEA director general.

    Aug 24, 2010
    IAEA head pays quiet visit to Israel
    Yukia Amano, who late last year replaced Mohammed ElBaradei as the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), arrived quietly in Israel on Monday for a two-day visit as the guest of the Israel Atomic Energy Commission.
    The purpose of the visit, which was unannounced beforehand, is believed to be to facilitate relations between Israel and the IAEA.
    Amano, of Japan, is scheduled to meet President Shimon Peres, Strategic Affairs Minister Moshe Ya’alon, Intelligence Agencies Minister Dan Meridor (who is also in charge of atomic energy), top officials of the Israel Atomic Energy Commission, and the heads of the strategic affairs department in the Foreign Ministry.

    Amano’s August 2010 Israel visit was productive in one sense.
    Sep 16, 2010
    Arab League Slams IAEA Report On Israel
    (RTTNews) – The Arab League on Thursday criticized the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), UN’s nuclear watchdog, for producing a “weak and disappointing” report on Israel’s nuclear capacities, and pledged to step up efforts to persuade the Jewish nation to join the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).
    In a statement issued to IAEA’s governing board on Thursday, the Arab League said it would urge all the Arab and other member states of the UN nuclear agency to vote in favor of a non-binding resolution that voices concerns on Israel’s nuclear arms and calls on the Jewish country to open its nuclear sites to IAEA inspections.

  186. James Canning says:


    You linked, as a news report by McClatchy, an editorial from the Baltimore Sun dated June 6th. And that editorial does not claim Iran is building nukes.

  187. James Canning says:


    Economic development in Afghanistan, carried out by China, is a good thing for the US. Assuming archaeological/historical sites etc are not damaged needlessly, etc.

    The American taxpayers might well ask why the US spends hundreds of billions of dollars on the military adventure in Afghanistan.

  188. James Canning says:


    You argue in effect that Iran’s announcement of its intent to treble production of 20 percent uranium did not cause the latest round of sanctions. You are quite mistaken.

  189. James Canning says:


    Re: 4.13 am post June 9th – – I responded that the sanctions against Cuba have tended to stregthen the hold of the Cuban government, and have done nothing to bring about “regime change”. I doubt the sanctions against Iran could bring about “regime change”.

    Burma (Myanmar) does give an example of a government acting more intelligently, in the interests of Burma. And sanctions are being lifted.

  190. Don Bacon says:

    today’s news: Jun 10, 2012 — China has agreed to finance the part of the Iran-Pakistan (IP) gas pipeline project that runs on Pakistani soil, a report says. The agreement was reached during a recent visit by Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari and Minister for Petroleum and Natural Resources Asim Hussain to China, Pakistani daily Today reported Saturday.

    If true, this is big news regarding the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline. Pakistan desperately needs a new energy supply and Iran has the giant South Pars Gas Field. Iran is now constructing its portion of the pipeline, 900 km of 56 inch diameter pipeline. Pakistan is to lay 781 km of the pipeline in its territory. Once this pipeline is ready, Iran would export 21.5 million cubic meters of Iranian natural gas to Pakistan every day or 8.7 billion cubic meters per year to Pakistan to feed its power plants.

    Pakistan and Iran signed the Gas Sale and Purchase Agreement (GSPA) in June 2009. The Government of Pakistan has already determined that the imported natural gas from Iran would provide the cheapest and most suitable fuel for power generation. It has been estimated that 750 mmcfd gas would help generate around 4,000MW of electricity, besides providing job opportunities in the backward areas of Balochistan and Sindh.

    Party pooper — news report: Mar 6, 2012 — The US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, was quite explicit in her warning before the House Appropriations Subcommittee on State and Foreign Operations last week that the implementation of the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline project would trigger the US sanctions under the Iran Sanctions Act. This Act imposes certain specified sanctions against any foreign (non-US) company, which invests more than $20 million in the oil and gas sector in Iran.

  191. Don Bacon says:

    Some nuclear energy programs are favored by the IAEA and its US-puppet Japanese chief Yukiya Amano.

    from the IAEA News Centre:
    IAEA School of Nuclear Energy Management Opens in Japan

    For the very first time, the IAEA School of Nuclear Energy Management will be conducted in Asia, a region of continuous development and growth of national nuclear power programmes.

    From 11-19 June 2012 in Tokai Mura, Japan, international experts including senior experts from the IAEA will be presenting on a wide range of topics in the nuclear energy sector. Lectures during the three-week meeting training will span the following areas: energy planning and nuclear power economics; nuclear safety, security and safeguards; nuclear human resource and knowledge management; radiation protection and communicating radiation risks; nuclear technologies and radioactive waste management, and many more. . .

    The next regional IAEA School of Nuclear Energy Management is planned to be conducted in Texas, USA in March 2013.

  192. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Oh I might as well add the next little paragraph that followed, which wrapped up the section. I could have sworn that the good ayatollah was channeling me, if I didn’t know that I am channeling him :)

    That which society is plagued with in the New Age of Ignorance – just as it was in the Age of Ignorance of old – is the perfidy of the breach of promise of the aggressor of today, but (elaborating on) the story of the inefficacy of the United Nations and (the impotence of) other international institutions and those organizations who claim to work for ‘human rights’ in resisting the demonic aggression of those who invade other countries all around the world is beyond the patience of (the writer of) these pages.

  193. Unknown Unknowns says:

    From my translation of the book from the good ayatollah, which I thought apropos of the upcoming talks with the “Global Arrogance” (estekbar-e jahani) in Moscow, the Capitol (sic) of the (sic) Global Political Prostitution.

    For VoT, BiB, Empty, and all other true Believers, including Neo (I Want to Belive)-ji, of course.

    The concern of Islamic government for the establishment of an order (based on) law and the commitment to one’s undertakings and respect for one’s pledges and contracts arises from the desire to enable society to benefit from the security and freedom which follows in the wake of commitment (to one’s word), and which itself is a necessity for civil society and a principle of the Virtuous City; a society in which one cannot rely on others to respect their commitments will see security and freedom and the other benefits of civil society disappear shortly thereafter. The Koran gives a vivid demonstration of this point using the analogy of the creation of man: [49:13] O men! Behold, We have created you all out of a male and a female, and have made you into nations and tribes, so that you might come to know one another. Verily, the noblest of you in the sight of God is the one who is most deeply conscious of Him; no person or group is given permission to consider themselves superior to their fellow man, and arrogance is considered an important element responsible for the disruption of the balance and order of society; consequently, the Koran considers resisting arrogance to be an imperative, for the propensity to arrogance is equated with the propensity to breaking one’s promises: [9:12] But if they break their solemn pledges after having concluded a covenant, and revile your religion, then fight against these archetypes of faithlessness who, behold, have no [regard for their own] pledges, so that they might desist [from aggression]; the most important reason for fighting arrogant powers is the inability to be able to rely on their word. The Koran considers fighting these types of people necessary not because of their unbelief, but because of their (inherent) unreliability; hence: لَآ أَيۡمَـٰنَ لَهُمۡ: they have no [regard for their own] pledges, i.e., their oaths are nothing to them, and so, they are untrustworthy. (The lesson here is that) one can coexist with a (community of) faithless unbelievers, but coexistence can never be possible with the forces of faithless arrogance, as arrogance is (ultimately) untrustworthy; when an opposing party is not bound by his word and has no respect for his prior commitments, and can be depended on to break his treaty or contract whenever he feels (this would put him) at an advantage, it will never be possible to coexist with him (and he must, therefore, be fought and subdued).

  194. Karl says:


    Iran to 99% does not have S-300 or any similar technique. If they had, they would have acknowledge it in one way or another since S-300 is a great deterrence.

  195. Karl says:


    Also you did not respond to my question @ June 9, 2012 at 4:13 am (bottom).

  196. Neo says:

    Don Bacon says: June 9, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    “The IAEA is not some super-snooper intelligence agency with unlimited authority to demand that Iran (or any country) answer to unsubstantiated Western charges…”


    I would agree that the IAEA is no ‘super-snooper intelligence agency’. It’s more like a pathetic one owned by USA in more ways than one. The section in the IAEA responsible for ‘inspections’ is around 90% funded by USA, which has its CIA offices (aka ‘US mission’) located right next to the agency’s premises in Vienna.

    I have inside info on this ugly relationship to the effect that the Americans are constantly on the phone or in person making direct demands on the IAEA staff, interfering with its recruitment processes (vetting all its staff and even interns) and basically running the IAEA directorate.

    Also, the new IAEA Chief is largely viewed (within the IAEA) as being an American puppet.

    One of the changes since his arrival after El Baradei’s departure is the fact that Amano, in direct contrast to the previous IAEA Chief, does not consult his staff on the content and messages of his reports. It’s the CIA (sorry, i meant the American ‘mission’ in Vienna) that is his sole source of ‘consultations’.

    And imagine, both the American president and the IAEA were awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

    Poor old Orwell must be doing somersaults in his grave…

  197. A concerned world citizen says:

    Looking at the situation in Syria, it seems the entire region will be engulfed in a wider sectarian war soon..Do the pushers of this idiotic “regime change” policy in Syria know exactly what they’re dealing with? I really hope they do because the outcome from a civil war in Syria won’t bode well for them as well..

    If the medicine’s side effect is worse than the cure itself, don’t use it…

  198. fyi says:

    Fiorangela says: June 9, 2012 at 2:27 pm

    Russians destroyed the Third Reich and saved what was left of the European Jews.

    Not the English, not the Americans, not the late General de Gaulle, and not the late Wallenberg.

    The late Adolf Hilter and Germany were immune to the Jewish efforts; the Third Reich would have been with us today had she not attacked USSR.

    Israelis and their Jewish Partsians do not have the power to bring about the destruction of Iran.

  199. Jay says:

    The context of the following comment is the article that appeared several years back (link below). It is written by Mr. Tony Blair’s foreign policy guru, a good friend of Mr. Cameron, and now the highly influential EU strategist – Mr. Robert Cooper. In this writing, Mr. Cooper lays out a new vision of imperialism and why it is needed. A vision with several variants that has since been articulated, in more gentle forms, by US and UK politicians across the political spectrum.


    This article exposes the naivete, intensional or otherwise, of individuals who continue to believe in a principle that simply does not hold in the relationship between IRAN and the US+EU – the principle of cause and effect.

    There is no such principle at work! The US+EU implements policies in accordance with the needs and goals of this new imperialism. Of course, imperialism is costly to the majority and particularly middle class, and therefore needs a PR campaign. However, there is no mistaking of the PR campaign with actual intent, or any cause-effect dimension in the interactions of the maters and the subject.

    Mr. Cooper is not alone. In the UK, the Foreign Policy Center is a highly influential think-tank that works to promote Mr. Cooper’s ideals to the likes of Mr. Cameron and his lieutenants.

    Only a steadfast and principled foreign policy by Iran can save Iran from capitulation. No stoppage of any kind, retreat of any kind, or compromise of any kind will be reciprocated by the US+EU.

    Statements such as: “if Iran would not have done X, then US+EU would not have done Y” are completely irrelevant and off the mark because the Y action of US+EU is not at all predicated on X! Such foolhardy naivete ignore the modus operandi of the past 15 years or so of the new Liberal Imperialism.

  200. Don Bacon says:

    Russia after US pressure 3 years ago never delivered the S-300. Supposedly Iran reverse-engineered an S-300 that they obtained from Belarus. The latest is: “The production of an alternative missile system is underway,” the work “has yielded good results.” Iranian military officials earlier said the missile system, called Bavar (Belief) 373, is even more powerful and more advanced than the Russian S-300. But we haven’t seen it.

    Meanwhile, Iran apparently has other air defense systems. The US says they can neutralize Iran’s radars but only a confrontation would prove anything. Iran does have a good fiber optics communication net.
    Advance Iranian Air Defense Systems

    Iran’s main strength though is its navy with its smart mines, torpedoes and cruise missiles.

  201. Castellio says:

    Don Bacon, I do not track weapons systems or know much about them. I would like to know, however, if Iran does, or does not, have the equivalent of the Russian S-300?

  202. Rehmat says:

    During the 33 days Israel-Hizbullah War in Summer 2006, the pro-Israel Jewish groups ran an Islamophobic campaign against Muslim community in Los Angeles. In order to counter Zionists’ plan of pitting local Jewish-Muslim communities on a conflict thousands of miles away – the city Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa, an Israel-Firster, convened a task force to bring Muslim and Jewish leaders to the same table. This effort gave birth to the NewGround, a joint fellowship project by the Progressive Jewish Alliance and the Muslim Public Affairs Council. In 2011, NewGround became independent from these two organizations; today, it is housed within the city’s Human Relations Commission. Rabbi Sarah Bassin (born 1982) is the executive director of the organization.


  203. ToivoS says:

    Here is an interesting link with regard to China, Afghanistan and the SCO.


    China is pursuing a patient strategy vis-a-vis Afghanistan. They continue their non-interference in the internal affairs of other nations. At the same time they are in diplomatic contact with the Taliban through Pakistan to encourage them to not support the Uigur separtist should (probably not should but when) they re-assume power in Afghanistan. China continues to pursue commercial opportunities (mining and energy) with the Afghans. Somehow I think the Chinese will walk away with all of the goodies once the US and NATO is driven out. The dynamics of this effort seems quite obvious — the successor state to Karsai will have no option but to work through the SCO.

    Now that will be a crowning achievement to the US and NATO war against the Afghanis. Poor America, the harder it tries the more it loses. War in Iraq and it ends up as an Iranian ally. War against Afghanistan and it is driven into the arms of China.

  204. BiBiJon says:

    According to McClatchy-Tribune News Service:
    Iran has:

    – a nuclear weapons program

    – a drive to build a bomb

    – several hundred centrifuges used to purify uranium into weapons-grade material at Natanz

    Read more here [if you have the stomach for more disinformation]: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/06/08/151609/war-in-cyberspace.html#storylink=cpy

  205. James Canning says:

    A good sketch of the career of Dennis Ross, who gets considerable credit for blocking Obama’s apparently sincere wish to engage with Iran back in 2009:


  206. Don Bacon says:

    James Canning,
    The West has been wanting Iran to knuckle under for thirty years now, and Iran has successfully refused. Iran is stronger than ever. It now has Iraq and India firmly in its camp, also Turkey and China. NAM, BRICS, Iran allies. Those are all political improvements. The US, which is not even on the same continent with Iran, as many Iran allies are, only has western Europe, which has been excused from the bogus US petroleum sanctions but may still be cut off by Iran, which is in the cat-bird seat in these matters.

    Regarding enrichment, I covered that. The P5+1 position on 20% is a red herring that Iran will deal with. It’s of little consequence except as a bargaining chip and as scary propaganda. It doesn’t mean anything practically speaking, as I explained. Nothing at all.

    Regarding military threats, Iran obviously hasn’t been frightened by them. They have experienced violent US-supported war against their nation before, and they are now in a better position than before to extract a very high price for any attack. In any case that’s for Iran to consider, and I’m confident they have. Iran can sink ships and destroy cities, have no doubt, and so apparently they feel confident about their capabilities, and justifiably I believe. Plus Iran has many allies.

    If you want to talk weapons systems, I’m prepared to do that. What Iran military capabilities aren’t you familiar with?

  207. James Canning says:


    King Hussein’s last message to G H W Bush was on January 10th (1991). He virtually begged Bush to allow him time to work with the Saudis to avoid war. The allied attack was launched on Jan. 17th and Bush had not responded to King Hussein’s Jan. 10th appeal.

    What role did Dennis Ross play in this?

  208. James Canning says:


    King Hussein tried to serve as an intermediary, to get Iraqi forces out of Kuwait but at the same time getting Israel out of the West Bank, Golan Heights and Gaza.

    Dennis Ross would not have wanted that programme.

  209. Don Bacon says:

    The IAEA is not some super-snooper intelligence agency with unlimited authority to demand that Iran (or any country) answer to unsubstantiated Western charges regarding smoking laptops, electrical switches and military facilities.

    Parchin, a recent example of the latter, has been successfully parlayed by Iran into a losing gambit for the West, as I comment below. Other examples are from the November IAEA Report and its news coverage:
    NYTimes: “Iran has carried out activities relevant to the development of a nuclear device”

    The IAEA report included claims on:
    1. Iran activities prior to 2008
    2. Procurement of electrical switches etc. which have multiple applications
    3. Alleged information from “Member States” — i.e. US, Israel & UK??

    All of these are outside the IAEA’s legal purview as stated in the NPT:
    “Each non-nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty undertakes to accept safeguards, as set forth in an agreement to be negotiated and concluded with the International Atomic Energy Agency in accordance with the Statute of the International Atomic Energy Agency and the Agencys safeguards system, for the exclusive purpose of verification of the fulfillment of its obligations assumed under this Treaty with a view to preventing diversion of nuclear energy from peaceful uses to nuclear weapons or other nuclear explosive devices.”
    ** for the exclusive purpose of verification of the fulfillment of its obligations assumed under this Treaty with a view to preventing diversion **
    Of course the IAEA has continually found Iran to be in compliance regarding non-diversion.

    This problem was addressed recently by Ali Asghar Soltanieh, Iran’s Ambassador to the IAEA, in an exclusive interview with Kaveh L Afrasiabi for Asia Times Online.
    “But the IAEA is an international technical organization, not an intelligence service. As a result, the IAEA inspectors are forced by a couple of member states to be involved in intelligence activities, receiving fabricated information from the intelligence services of certain countries, or allegations of activities not involving nuclear activities. This is not acceptable at all and ultimately damages the trustful relation expected between the Secretariat and Member States.”

  210. James Canning says:


    A key issue in the dispute between Iraq and Kuwait was slant-drilling from Kuwait into Iraqi oil fields. Alleged slant-drilling?

  211. James Canning says:


    Nothing you write contradicts the simple fact I noted, that the Russians (FM & team) told Saddam he had to get out of Kuwait and to agree to do so almost immediately. Or he would get crushed by the 500,000 troops massed on the border of Kuwait.

    You think Saddam was wise, to get his army smashed? Needlessly.

    That Saddam thought he should be able to take his own sweet time about leaving Kuwait was arrogant and stupid.

    I am well aware of the complex dispute between Iraq and Kuwait, and how the US ambassador bungled things badly and virtually caused the Iraqi invasion.

  212. Karl says:


    I think you must build a better case to justify reasons for sanctions and and war against Iran.

  213. James Canning says:

    Don Bacon,

    I suppose that if you were an adviser to Saddam Hussein in late 1990, when he had been told to agree immediately to get out of Kuwait, you would have advised him to take his time. And get his army smashed.

  214. James Canning says:

    Don Bacon,

    You ask who could blame Iran if it withdrew from the NPT and in effect demand that the US sink its navy, destroy its air force, destroy the Iranian space programme, etc etc. This would be good thing for Iran, in your view?

  215. Karl says:


    Well thats the point I was trying to make. It doesnt matter what Iran do since the goal is regime change.

    My point with Cuba was that sanctions will harm and will be imposed until there is a new leader in Cuba. This is the same tactic US use on Iran and used on Iraq.

  216. James Canning says:

    Don Bacon,

    You appear to have difficulty comprehending that the P5+1 want Iran to stop enriching to 20 percent.

    Apparently you see no problems ahead, if even more sanctions result from Iran’s refusal to stop enriching to 20 percent?

  217. Don Bacon says:

    According to the most recent IAEA Iran report, Iran’s enriched uranium, all of which is under Agency safeguards, are 6197 kg of UF6 enriched up to 5% U-235 and 145.6 kg of UF6 enriched up to 20% U-235 since it began production of such material.

    All of this enriched uranium is LEU, low-enriched uranium. HEU (highly-enriched) is uranium enriched to more than 20 percent uranium-235.

    from the IAEA:
    According to the American Society of Standards and Testing materials (ASTM) Designation C 1462-00 HEU is any uranium with a 235U assay of more than 20%. Typical fresh power reactor fuel has 235U assays below 5%. Fresh research reactor fuel has 235U assays ranging
    from below 20% to as high as 93% 235U. Typical weapons-grade uranium has 235U assays over 90%. Besides these assays, various other 235U enrichments above 20% have been used in the past, mainly for research purposes (35% 235U for zero-power experiments, 36 to 90% for some research reactors, and 40 to 60% for fuel for prototype breeders).

    There have been discussions and various claims as to the amount of time and effort required to produce 5, 20, and 95% U235 uranium. This discussion is academic and inconsequential in Iran’s case. It’s a red herring. It doesn’t matter, because:
    –The NPT imposes no limits on uranium enrichment. Iran is legally free to enrich to 5, 20 and/or 95% if it wishes. The only NPT restraint is on diversion to a domestic weapons program. Iran might even decide to enrich to 95% and sell the product, under IAEA auspices, to the US or China for example. Perfectly legal.
    –Iran’s enrichment activity is under full 24/7 IAEA surveillance. The sole purpose of the IAEA is to ensure non-diversion of fuel to a weapons program, and the IAEA has continually reported that Iran is in compliance with non-diversion.
    –If the aggression against Iran continues, and Iran should decide to withdraw from the NPT and evict the US-puppet IAEA, which IMO it really should consider, then it doesn’t matter how long it might take to enrich to weapons-grade uranium. Whether it would be hours, days or weeks would make little difference.

  218. An Iranian View says:


    Prime German Paper: Syrian Rebels Committed Houla Massacre

    The prime German daily, the center-right Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, has a new report (in German) about the Houla massacre. The author is Rainer Hermann who studied and speaks Arabic, Turkish and Farsi. Hermann also has a PhD in economics and wrote his thesis about the modern Syrian social history. He currently lives in Abu Dhabi and has been reporting from the Middle East for over 22 years.

    What follows is my translation of the relevant parts of his report, which is datelined from Damascus, about the Houla massacre:

    Syrian opposition members, who are from that region, were during the last days able to reconstruct the most likely sequence of events based on accounts from authentic witnesses. Their result contradicts the pretenses from the rebels who had accused regime allied Shabiha who they alleged acted under the protection of the Syrian army. As opposition members who reject the use of lethal force were recently killed or at least threatened, the opposition members [talking to me] asked that their names be withheld.
    The massacre of Houla happened after Friday prayers. The fighting started when Sunni rebels attacked three Syrian army checkpoints around Houla. These checkpoints were set up to protect the Alawi villages around the predominantly Sunni Houla from assaults.

    One attacked checkpoint called up units form the Syrian army, which has barracks some 1500 meters away, for help and was immediately reinforced. Dozens of soldiers and rebels were killed during the fighting around Houla which was said to have lasted about 90 minutes. During these fights the three villages were closed off from the outside world.

    According to the witness accounts the massacre happened during this timeframe. Killed were nearly exclusively families from the Alawi and Shia minorities in Houla which has a more than 90% Sunni population. Several dozen members of one extended family, which had in recent years changed from Sunni to Shia believe, were slaughtered. Also killed were members of the Alawi family Shomaliya and the family of a Sunni member of parliament who was [the rebels] considered a government collaborator. Members of the Syrian government confirmed this version but pointed out that the government committed to not publicly speak of Sunni and Alawi. President al-Assad is Alawi while the opposition is overwhelmingly from the Sunni population majority.

    While I do not agree with the FAZ’s general editorial positions, I have followed Rainer Hermann reports for years. In my view he is an very reliable and knowledgeable reporter who would not have written the above if he had doubts or no other confirmation about what he was told by the opposition members he talked to.

  219. Don Bacon says:

    Trade sanctions, it should go without saying, as with trade tariffs, affect not only the seller(s) but the buyer(s), and increased sanctions increase the affect.

    Sanctions against Iran’s petroleum sales motivate Iran to compensate by selling other products. So Iran has increased its sales of refined petroleum products such as fertilizer and gasoline, and also has increased sales of non-petroleum products such as electricity and gas while it continues to sell less petroleum at a reduced price. Also domestic manufacture has increased. This increased diversity, and movement away from a predominate emphasis on petroleum sales, is actually beneficial to the Iran economy. Increased sanctions have also provided Iran cover, i.e. given it a plausible reason, to withdraw from the Additional Protocol (2005) and the Brazil-Turkey uranium exchange (2010). More sanctions might even provide a reason to withdraw from the NPT, and who could blame Iran for doing that.

    Sanctions against Iran’s petroleum sales are less salubrious for petroleum buyers. They need oil! If they wish to comply, they have to devise another method of payment, find other sources, and possibly have to deal with a petroleum product that doesn’t meet the specifications they need for their refineries. Bummer.

    Therefore the sanctions are a bad idea and don’t work because they hurt non-Iranian countries most. In strategic political terms, Iran comes out of it as a winner and other countries as losers — which is lousy US foreign policy. Currently the US is pushing India, China, Japan and South Korea firmly into Iran’s corner. These countries flip the US the bird for asking them to hurt themselves. Dumb.

  220. Fiorangela says:

    James Canning says: June 8, 2012 at 6:32 pm

    wrote to fyi:

    “Let’s remember that the Russians tried to talk Saddam Hussein into announcing he would get out of Kuwait very soon. To avoid a war. Saddam was simply too arrogant (and stupid, frankly), to take the Russian advice.”

    Vernon Loeb, the confidante and biographer, and Sean O’Connell, son and confidante, of the late Jack O’Connell (1921-2010), who was CIA station chief in Amman, Jordan, from 1963 to 1971, and became King Hussein’s friend and close adviser tell a far different version of events, James.

    According to the manuscript that Jack O’Connell prepared and that Loeb brought to publication after Mr. O’Connell’s death, King Hussein had a productive working relationship with Saddam Hussein and, with O’Connell assistance, had worked out a deal whereby Saddam would leave Kuwait, nonviolently. James Baker, then Secretary of State, was distracted with the fall of the Berlin wall, and “blundered” in overriding the pact O’Connell and Jordan’s monarch had hammered out with Saddam.

    It is worth noting that Dennis Ross was a key advisor to James Baker during this period. According to Pierre Salinger in “Secret Dossier,” upon hearing of the ripening of the Iraq-Kuwait conflict, Ross worked immediately and persistently to enflame, rather than resolve, the conflict; Ross’s initial recommendations were to impose crippling sanctions on Iraq.

    Inasmuch as the heart of the conflict between Saddam and his Arab fellows was the refusal of other Arab leaders to assist Iraq in repaying the massive war debt Iraq had incurred in waging war against Iran; and that Saddam’s specific complaint against Kuwait was the fact that Kuwaitis reduced the price of oil on the world market — a tactic Kuwait could absorb since it had income from extensive foreign investments, but that Iraq could not absorb since its sole source of revenue was from oil, it would seem that further impoverishing a state is precisely the wrong approach to take to resolve the situation, unless, of course, the goal was really to destroy that state.

    Ross seems to specialize in destroying states; his entire career has been a one-note samba of destroying states that surround the zionist haven. As I have argued before, that note was also played against Germany in 1933, and it is being sounded in Iran’s direction, with Dennis Ross once again tooting the horn.

  221. Castellio says:


    Ray McGovern weighs in on the American media and Iran. Nothing new, however, although one of the comments points to the developing work on solar and wind power in Iran.

  222. James Canning says:


    Why did King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia apparently conclude that he needed to cause the overthrow of the government of Syria?

  223. James Canning says:


    Some facts for you. Early June 2011, Iran announces plan to treble producti8on of 20 percent uranium. UK responds that this will mean more sanctions. And of course, more sanctions came – – as direct result of foolish decision to treble production of 20 percent uranium.

    Iranian leaders make mistakes. This was a big one.

  224. James Canning says:


    American sanctions against Cuba have done a great deal to keep the Castro government in power in that country. The sanctions did ZERO to bring about “regime change”. ZERO. In fact, less than ZERO. Counter-productive.

  225. James Canning says:


    I obviously am well aware that Aipac wants regime change in Iran and that Aipac largely controls the US Congress in matters relating to Israel.

    I take it you think that Iran, having blundered by trebling production of 20 percent uranium, should now continue to stockpile 20% U to enable more sanctions to be imposed on Iran. How does this benefit Iran?

  226. Arnold Evans says:

    Unknown Unknowns says:
    June 8, 2012 at 11:16 am

    So any predictions on the Egyptian election? Word on the street is that if the they could place Shafiq in 2nd place, they can push him up a notch to first.

    I’ll be stunned if Shafiq is announced the winner. The Muslim Brotherhood has resources and would be able to track down and clearly expose the degree of fraud that I think would be necessary to produce a Shafiq victory.

  227. BiBiJon says:

    Don Bacon says:
    June 9, 2012 at 11:12 am

    Gareth Porter agrees with you http://original.antiwar.com/porter/2012/06/08/changes-at-parchin-suggest-an-iranian-bargaining-ploy/

  228. Rd. says:

    “The oldest and strongest form of propaganda in this country is the belief that white America has the right to dominate everyone else on the earth, and as president Obama functions as the whitest man in the country.

    If anything Americans are morally inferior to people in the rest of the world. Barack Obama was certain that news of his personal “kill list” would benefit his chances of being re-elected, and he was not wrong.

    It seems that our president is a totally amoral psychopath, and the revelation of his condition has not hurt his popularity. Apparently the president governs psychopaths too, because too few of them will say or do anything to oppose his commitment to breaking the law, violating the Constitution, and the word of the god he claims to believe in.

    The evil is not limited to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, but can be found on Main Street U.S.A. just as easily.”


  229. Rd. says:

    Karl says:

    “Romney aide to Haaretz: After he’s elected, Iran will see there’s a new sheriff in town “

    Wasn’t Reagan making similar ‘threats’?? The domcrats are usually far worse in their action, the republican barks are worse than their bites.. they can be ‘bought’. Iran contra(?).. even Busch worked with IRI in Afghanistan and Iraq, at least behind the scene. The current psychopath, well thats another story

  230. Don Bacon says:

    Reading various sources commenting about the activities at Parchin, to include water streams, building removal and earth-moving, it seems likely that Iran is undertaking observable activities designed to suck the gullible IAEA and its Western backers into a high-stakes visit to Parchin with a resulting “Aha, see, I told you, nothing to see here — now back off” moment that would be a propaganda victory for Iran and an embarrassment of the West. If true, and it seems likely, it is clever, as usual for Iran. And it would be hanging Albright by his own petard.
    (h/t Gareth Porter)

  231. Rehmat says:

    America’s powerful pro-Israel think tank, RAND Research and Analysis Corporation, in its report ahead of the P5+1 and Iran meeting in Moscow – has claimed that the US and EU sanctions against Iran are harming the EU more than Iranian regime which the USrael desire to topple.


  232. Karl says:


    I would recommend you read some history on Iran/US relations, Israel/Iran relations and middle eastern foreign policy in general (american), then its clear US, Israel seek regime change in Iran because the Islamic Republic policy arent appreciated, to say atleast, in Israel, US.

    You could also compare Iran to how Israel, US handle Gaza or go figure why Cuba today still have economic sanctions imposed on them or how US handled Iraq, maybe you think US would somehow accept him too? Watch sanctions not as a measure imposed on a specific area (nuclear, human rights) but sanctions as a tool to weaken a state in general.

    Another question for you would be. If US, Israel want to weaken a state and bring regime change. How would they act?

  233. fyi says:

    BiBiJon says: June 8, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    This idea is being promoted by many people in the Axis States.

    I think it is a form of harrasment – they think they are dealing ith a human being rather than a sovereign state.

    You can see a deatiled discussion of it at Arms Control Wonk and also at Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

    The proponents of this idea think that they Axis States – because of these latest sanctions – have got leverage against Iran and that could be translated to such use.

    They will be disappointed.

    The Iranian nuclear saga will never end – it can no longer be ended even by Axis States.

    They have lost the dynamics of it at UNSC and internally as well.

  234. fyi says:

    BiBiJon says: June 8, 2012 at 4:50 pm

    I read that article.

    There was this young woman who evidently wished to emigrate to US so that she would not have to wear a scarf.

    That she could emigrate to Turkey, Jordan, Armenia, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, India, Gorgia, Lebanon, Kuwait and not have to wear a scarf had clearly never crossed her mind.

    During the Iranian Revolution, in Mehrabad Airport, you could see the long lines of those Iranians going abroad – almost always to the European states or to the North American ones.

    The lines to India or Pakistan were very short.

    God forbid that they go to Pakistan or India.
    Very many people in Iran are fools; no doubt.

  235. Jay says:

    James Canning says:
    June 8, 2012 at 1:21 pm



    You might also consider whether Iran’s reckless decision to treble production of 20% U helped bring about civil war in Syria.”


    Yes James, it also helped bring about global warming, the tsunami in Japan, and the latest strike vote by the British doctors! You probably already know that Khamenei had predicted this environmental and social chaos when he signaled the start of 20% production!!

  236. Castellio says:

    Neo, I appreciated your post a little while ago regarding the relative decline of US economic power. It’s something I follow quite closely, and I have no problem with the facts you brought forward. In many ways, the US has painted itself into the proverbial corner. We can agree on that. You suggest they will wait for the paint to dry before moving. I hope you’re right.

  237. Castellio says:

    The second largest Protestant Church in the US supports BDS.


    “The General Conference of the United Methodist Church decided yesterday to call for an explicit boycott of all Israeli companies “operating in the occupied Palestinian territories,” knowing that this constitutes the absolute majority of Israeli corporations. This and the overwhelming support for the “Kairos Palestine” document and its call “for an end to military occupation and human rights violations through nonviolent actions,” which include boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS), will pave the way forward for further action by the Church to hold Israel accountable for its colonial and apartheid regime.”

    from Wikepedia:

    “The United Methodist Church (UMC) is a Methodist Christian denomination which is both mainline Protestant and evangelical. Founded in 1968 by the union of The Methodist Church and the Evangelical United Brethren Church, the UMC traces its roots back to the revival movement of John and Charles Wesley within the Church of England.[6][7] As such, the church’s theological orientation is decidedly Wesleyan.[8] It contains both liturgical and evangelical elements.[9][10]

    In the United States, it ranks as the largest mainline denomination, the second largest Protestant church after the Southern Baptist Convention, and the third largest Christian denomination. As of 2007, worldwide membership was about 12 million: 8.0 million in the United States and Canada,[11] 3.5 million in Africa, Asia and Europe.[12] It is a member of the World Council of Churches, the World Methodist Council, and other religious associations.”

    Before one rushes to join with FYI in the euphoria of attributing collective guilt along sectarian lines, it might be wise to see what is actually happening on the ground, in real life.

  238. James Canning says:


    Let’s remember that the Russians tried to talk Saddam Hussein into announcing he would get out of Kuwait very soon. To avoid a war. Saddam was simply too arrogant (and stupid, frankly), to take the Russian advice.

  239. James Canning says:


    You appear to be predicting that Iran, having blundered and brought into existence more sanctions, the way forward is to bring about even more sanctions. And stil more.

  240. James Canning says:


    Yes, Mitt Romney trumpets the fact he will be a dupe or stooge of Bibi Netanyahu.

  241. James Canning says:


    I agree with Philip Stephens who in today’s Financial Times said the US needed to assure Iran the US is not seeking regime change.

  242. James Canning says:


    Iran itself brought about the latest sanctions that you say are intened by Israel and the US to bring about regime change. Iran blundered. You seem to want Iran to make even larger blunders.

  243. James Canning says:


    Are you actually claiming the P5+1 are not insisting that Iran stop enriching to 20 percent? How could Iran’s stopping such enrichment facilitate “regime change”?

  244. Don Bacon says:

    According to the LA Times, there is no international inspection of Iran’s nuclear sites. I didn’t know that.

    Jun 8, 2012
    No progress at talks with Iran on nuclear inspections, IAEA says

    An agreement to allow international inspection of Iran’s nuclear facilities failed to materialize during “disappointing” talks Friday between Iranian officials and the International Atomic Energy Agency, the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency reported from Vienna.

    IAEA chief Yukiya Amano said two weeks ago that the agency was on the verge of signing a deal with Tehran for access to its nuclear sites. An influential Iranian politician also hinted broadly at the time that access would be granted to the Parchin military complex, where the IAEA has said it suspects preparations have been made to build nuclear weapons.

    The failure of the nuclear watchdog agency to get Tehran to agree to outside checks was “disappointing,” IAEA Deputy Director Herman Nackaerts said in a statement after the eight-hour meeting at agency headquarters in Vienna on Friday.

  245. BiBiJon says:

    From intergluteal cleft to the crown of the head Goldberg is inescapably a prison guard

    Which, qualifies him to guard us against any humanizing of Iran.

    You’ll love http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/the-real-iran/258194/

    Wasn’t he the one ‘profoundly ambivalently’ masturbating about a “100 F15s” dropping bombs on the heads of children he now acknowledges innocently play in fountains?

  246. Karl says:

    Romney prove he put the israeli interests first.

    Romney aide to Haaretz: After he’s elected, Iran will see there’s a new sheriff in town

    In wide-ranging interview, Former ambassador Richard Williamson says U.S. Republican candidate will make military threats against Tehran credible, arm Syria’s rebels, and visit Israel before going anywhere else.


  247. Karl says:


    You have no proof whatsoever for your claims on 20%. You have also problem understanding the bigger goal for Iran by US, Israel, sanctions are used to bring regime change.

  248. James Canning says:


    Neo cited the Asia Times piece in which Obama was urged not to reject Iranian enrichment to 5% or lower, with approval. Fair statement?

  249. BiBiJon says:

    James Canning says:
    June 8, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    “I personally do not care if Iran enriches to 20 percent.”

    You lying toad, you.

  250. BiBiJon says:

    Nikolas Gvosdev’s Prism


    Here’s a thought, Nikolas’ not mine, how’s about keeping Iran in the dock forever.

    Under the seemingly constructive rubric of ‘trust but verify’, Gvosdev wants to create a situation where an endless set of demands for poking around in Iran by IAEA investigators will forever and a day leave Iran answering questions and opening the doors to the nation’s vital secrets.

    Having given up on finding incriminating evidence, but not having given up on the forever quest to prove Iran guilty, Gvosdev wants to create a situation where Iran is permanently in the dock answering questions. He hopes that any sign of eventual fatigue, boredom, or objection to undergo the umpteenth rectal exam can then be proffered as ‘proof’ of Iran’s guilt, for why else would anyone refuse daily probes of his private cavities?

    Folks, watch out! Even if the west begrudgingly recognizes Iran’s rights under NPT to then extract from Iran her promise of “100% cooperation for ‘full’ transparency,” they will be dragging Iran over hot coals forever.

  251. James Canning says:


    You might also consider whether Iran’s reckless decision to treble production of 20% U helped bring about civil war in Syria.

  252. fyi says:

    James Canning says: June 8, 2012 at 1:12 pm

    There will be and could not be any deal.

    While for a few weeks I expected a follow-up meeting to Moscow. I have come to the conclusion that Moscow meeting will be the last meeting between P5+1 and Iran for the next few years.

  253. James Canning says:


    Of course I agree Iran has a magnificent cultural heritage and that this magnificence is not brought to the attention of the world as well as might obtain.

    And I would like to see Israel out of the West Bank.

    Ask yourself to what degree Iran is actually helping Netanyahu to grow the illegal colonies of Jews in the West Bank. Inadvertently.

  254. James Canning says:


    I personally do not care if Iran enriches to 20 percent. I am, however, well aware that doing so (on trebled basis) produced the latest sanctions, and that more sanctions will be forthcoming if there is no deal.

  255. James Canning says:


    The countries that should be working together to achieve stability in Afghanistan obviously include Iran, Russia and China. The SCO is a very loose framework for cooperation. The US should encourage cooperation.

  256. James Canning says:


    You should read Philip Stephens’ comments in the FT today. He points out Iran will be a power in the Middle East even if it does not build nukes. And he calls upon Obama to guarantee the US will not pursue regime change.

  257. James Canning says:

    Philip Stephens has some excellent comments in the Financial Times today. He urges Obama to guarantee the US will not seek regime change in Iran. Subject to certain conditions.

  258. Rehmat says:

    Lebanon’s interior minister, retired Maj. Gen. Marwan Charbel (a choice of country’s Christian president Gen. Michel Suleiman) in a recent interview with RT has claimed that the Zionist entity is the only country which has benefitted from the Arab Spring.

    “The Arab Spring has born no fruit for any of the affected countries, so the ongoing process should rather be called “the Israel Spring”, since no country now poses a threat to Israel. External forces seek to divide and weaken all the countries surrounding Israel in order to ensure that state’s security,” said Marwan.


  259. Unknown Unknowns says:

    So any predictions on the Egyptian election? Word on the street is that if the they could place Shafiq in 2nd place, they can push him up a notch to first. I suspect that’s what’s going to happen. Question is, will the beebol stand for it? Methinks the beebol will make a stand and it will be the start of the real revolution, with plenty of blood on the hands of the weasel wannabies. Who knows? Maybe it will even spill into the Hijaz?

  260. Photi says:

    Neo says:
    June 8, 2012 at 4:40 am


    It has been interesting reading your recent posts. However, regarding the following quote, i think you mis-characterize the Islamic Republic’s intentions with nuclear science:

    “Point is, and as mentioned before, Iran needs to have the capability to build a bomb as a national security issue and as a deterrent to constant Western and Israeli warmongering and threats.”

    Mohammad Larijani made the point last fall on the Charlie Rose show that the weaponization of technology is something easy for nations to do. If Iran decided to weaponize its nuclear program, yes, they could design and develop a nuclear weapon. Iran is already capable of this and this is the natural outcome of knowledge. Iran has taken the official position that nuclear weapons are mad in more ways than one and actually offer zero strategic benefit to Iran. What are the Iranians going to do, make several thousand nuclear weapons to rival America’s arsenal? When all that effort could directed towards more life-loving pursuits?

    The strategic value for Iran (and this is the nuance your statement about Iranian needs does not address) is in the (civilian) science and technology itself and what this body of knowledge brings to Iranian industry generally, the weapons capability is merely fractional by-product of this activity.

    The following exchange shows just how fixated Charlie Rose is on weapons, and how transcendent Larijani’s thinking is to those primitive concerns (thank you to Arnold Evans for his transcription of this portion of the video interview):

    LARIJANI: Well, this is not a good similarity. I mean, we are, right now, if you ask in terms of real work in the field, we are 100% away from the military use. If you ask in terms of capability, hypothetically, is Iran capable to do that if it decides, obviously yes. Any country who has nuclear technology is capable of doing that. I mean the Germans can do it in two months. The Japanese in less than a month or others in

    ROSE: Is that where you want to be though? Do you want to be exactly where the Germans and Japanese are?

    LARIJANI: We want to be beyond them because this is capability here

    ROSE: But you want to have the same capability that the Japanese and the Germans do

    LARIJANI: It is a natural outcome. If you are advanced in this area of science, then you will acquire this capability

    ROSE: But that’s an interesting question. If you’re saying, yes you want the same capability that Japan and Germany have

    LARIJANI: Beyond that. We even want to get more sophisticated then they

    ROSE: Then you want to have the capability that would allow you to, if you decided to take the additional step of making a nuclear device, happen within months, that’s the capacity you would like to have?

    LARIJANI: So what? Should we be punished because we are advanced?

    ROSE: No.

    LARIJANI: It is like a man who has faculty of thinking, then you say “Ok, if you are strong in thinking, you may think in the wrong direction. So, close out your thinking.” I mean, this is the natural capacity of a nation. How should we be deprived of that? Is there a limit for Iranians for advancement in science and technology?

    ROSE: So you’re basically saying, we want the capacity to make a nuclear weapon


    ROSE: Even though we don’t have a program to actually make a weapon we just want the capacity, which is exactly what the Japanese have

    LARIJANI: Even that is not the correct wording

    ROSE: What’s the wording? The ability, the capacity, the materials?

    LARIJANI: The correct wording is that we want advancement in science and technology related to nuclear area, not directed toward the weapon area

    ROSE: So you want to be at a level where instantly you could turn it

    LARIJANI: It’s naturally, it comes. If you are advanced in making a good machine then you can make another machine


  261. fyi says:

    ToivoS says: June 7, 2012 at 5:36 pm

    World War III could start when and if Americans have invaded Iran and they decide to attack Russian cargo vessels of resupply to Iran.

    NATO is a shell, without US, EU cannot play a role in world politics.

  262. Fiorangela says:

    Neo, thank you for your reply. Two points stood out; last one first:

    “This does not require any retreat on Iran’s side. Quite the opposite: some more confident self-assertion – as with this blog’s highlighted article by Hua Liming – is exactly what is needed.”

    Definitely. Iran is NOT all about nuclear technology. In 1992 Ephraim Sneh made Iran’s nuclear project the focus of the demonization campaign that Israel rolled out, and has been rolling, against Iran ever since.

    kooshy has been at the vanguard of reminding this RFI forum that Iran has a powerful cultural core that (in my opinion) is Iran’s greatest strength.

    kooshy wrote: “Knowing Iran’s culture and history one will understand, that cannot be the point, the point that makes the Iranian’s, proud of their recent achievements with respect to this new technology, is the Sovereignty, independence and above all defiance of the unjust powerful who have been preventing them, from something that they felt is their right and just. It’s “Yes we can” motto that Nafasi should know reading Iranian and Shih Islam classical text like Shahnameh , or the events around Imam Husain, that has been the essential fabric of the Iranian culture.”

    As you observed yourself, James, Shahnameh inspired Medieval European epics — :http://www.raceforiran.com/john-mearsheimer-lays-out-the-costs%E2%80%94strategic-and-otherwise%E2%80%94of-america%E2%80%99s-quixotic-for-global-hegemony#comment-30966

    The United States has no such unifying mythos or epic or culture. We are a fragmented culture. Perhaps the US is too young to compose an epic; Shahnameh was written in 900 AD to encompass the mythology and history of a country that was, at the time of Ferdowsi, at least 1400 years old. In a comment Empty observed that “Iranians have behaved the most remarkably and produced their most outstanding work under intense pressure. Empty noted that Ferdowsi, Sa’adi, Ma’anavi, and Khomeini produced their works that reformed and advanced Iranian culture while under intense pressure; it takes enormous pressure to transform carbon/coal into diamonds.

    kooshy has provided several reminders of persons and events who have taken to heart Neo’s suggestion: Iran needs more self-confident assertion of its cultural resources and richness; kooshy brought to our attention the work of Mahmoud Omidsalar —


    Your second point, Neo —

    re: “But I would suggest to you that what the Americans and Israelis think is not as important as they make out in their own heads. They need to open their eyes and ears and learn a little more.”

    (later. Pressures are mounting to make diamonds out of heaps of coal/dirty laundry/debris of the day.)

  263. Fiorangela says:

    James says: June 7, 2012 at 6:40 pm

    The context of Neo’s response (June 7, 2012 at 11:29 am) to my comment (June 7, 2012 at 11:03 am) was the relative characteristics of Iranian, Israeli, and Anglo cultures.

    NOTHING in the exchange between Neo and Fiorangela had anything to do with Iran’s nuclear technology program. Iran is a complex culture, not some freakish mono-maniacal robot mindlessly programmed to enrich uranium to 20%, James Canning’s cautions to the contrary be damned.

  264. Karl says:

    US and its other western friends in the P5+1 trying to get freebies from Iran when they deal with IAEA. That is, they try to get acceptance to enter Parchin and therefore exclude such a possible deal with P5+1. Such a deal with P5+1 would have meant that P5+1 would had to give Iran something in return, like reduced sanctions, with a IAEA-deal Iran doesnt get anything back. Hopefully Iran doesnt fall into this trap.

    World powers keep close eye on IAEA-Iran talks

  265. BiBiJon says:

    Mousavian unplugged: http://d2tjk9wifu2pr3.cloudfront.net/2012-06-05-Mousavian.mp3

    Especially Arnold should listen to the whole thing :http://www.carnegieendowment.org/2012/06/05/inside-iranian-nuclear-crisis/aw7j

    James Canning says:
    June 7, 2012 at 1:57 pm

    “Why do you think it is important for Iran to stockpile more 20 percent uranium? This does ZERO for the wealth and power of Iran. ZERO.”

    You too should listen to Mousavian’s talk linked below. You might get a few answers to the premiss of your question.

    Mousavian explains complete with chronology of to-and-fro how Iran can neither be coerced by depriving her of wealth/power nor incentivized with additional wealth and power to forgo the nation’s rights.

    You really want 20% stopped? Then urge P5+1 to accept Iran’s rights.

  266. Neo says:

    James Canning says: June 7, 2012 at 6:40 pm


    By no retreat I mean Iran’s official stance, which is aptly described in the article Hans highlighted in the previous discussion.


    I will quote a part for you:

    “Iranian negotiators went into last week’s round of talks in Baghdad on the country’s nuclear program aiming to consolidate three achievements they made at the preliminary discussions held in Istanbul last month…

    The first of these was overt Western recognition of Iran’s right to possess a peaceful nuclear program, including its right to acquire the necessary expertise and facilities and its right to enrich uranium, with no percentage of enrichment specified.

    The second was an undertaking to leave the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) to handle details of the program, which in practice means withdrawing the issue from the purview of the UN Security Council and the direct supervision of the big powers.

    The third was a letter from EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton to the secretary of Iran’s National Security Council, Said Jalili, expressing willingness to hold further talks to discuss any ideas and suggestions put forward by Iran on modalities of cooperation between the two sides.”

    Regarding the 20% issue and whether, as you state, there has been any medical use so far, this is not relevant. Point is, and as mentioned before, Iran needs to have the capability to build a bomb as a national security issue and as a deterrent to constant Western and Israeli warmongering and threats. So Iran must master the enrichment technology way beyond the 20%, and the NPT allows for this. I hope you may be able to live with this idea, as it’s going to happen. Assuming it hasn’t already.

  267. Pirouz says:

    Bussed-in Basiji says:
    June 7, 2012 at 2:44 pm

    I found the Eskandar anecdote amusing.

  268. ToivoS says:

    James Canning says:
    June 7, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    “The US should welcome the SCO and help it as it seeks ways to bring greater stability to Afghanistan. There is ZERO chance it will emerge as a military organisation or alliance. ZERO.”

    James there is not a snow ball’s chance in hell that the US would welcome SCO. It was consciously organized to build an economic zone to resist US hegemony. I do hope that it continues as an organization to coordinate economic activity between China, Russia and the Central Asian republics and perhaps Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan. I do hope it does not grow into a military alliance but at this point it would imprudent to say there is a zero chance of that happening. If you haven’t noticed the states that belong to the SCO have already had some joint “security” exercises.

  269. Rehmat says:

    Erdogan: ‘Israel can regain our love; only if..!’

    Puh-lease, spare us the self-serving, pseudo-anti-zionist theatrics, more despicable still coming from a warmonger and neo-Ottoman wannabe imperialist. Yes, BDS is a necessary complement to any military and political resistance strategy, but it can never be a substitute for a genuine anti-imperialist / anti-Zionist foreign policy, let alone a tool for legitimizing imperialism and NATO invasions of resisting countries. In the grander strategic scheme of things, and if one had to make a choice between the two evils, he would be doing Palestine a much greater service if the Israeli tourists remained but he kept his blood-soaked hands off Syria.


  270. James Canning says:


    You tell me what Neo means by an Iranian “retreat”.

  271. James Canning says:


    My point was Hillary Clinton’s rather foolish rejection out of hand, of the Russian suggestion Iran should be invited to a conference seeking ways and means to bring stability to Syria.

  272. James Canning says:


    The US should welcome the SCO and help it as it seeks ways to bring greater stability to Afghanistan. There is ZERO chance it will emerge as a military organisation or alliance. ZERO.

  273. ToivoS says:

    The SCO is a very interesting phenomenon. It is hard to predict how it will evolve but it is impossible to see it as anything but an attempt to blunt US hegemony in East and Central Asia. Also if Iran, Pakistan and Afghanistan join it could be an extremely destabilizing force if it provokes fear among the Americans. I do hope it remains an economic alliance and not grow its military cooperation potential.

    NATO vs the SCO, one well placed zio false flag and presto a nuclear WWIII.

  274. fyi says:


    “…Having been a nuclear power since 1968, Israel has dozens of bombs.”


  275. fyi says:

    James Canning says: June 7, 2012 at 1:51 pm


    Iranians will mot attend a meeting on Syria.

    They will support Mr. Assad’s government to the hilt; and will do so regardless of Chinese or Russian positions.

    They will not cede the Levant to their enemies.

  276. Karl says:

    June 7, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Gees man, what kind of delusional spamming is this?!
    You know your argument is noted 1000th times now, no need to repeat it.

  277. James Canning says:


    What do you mean by “retreat”? Stopping enrichment to percent when enriching to 20 percent achieves ZERO that benefits Iran?

    Iran’s enrichment of uranium has not produced a single kilowatt of electricity or a single medical isotope. Unless, that is, the older TRR fuel has been expended and Iranian-produced fuel is now powering the TRR.

  278. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Supreme Leader’s speech at Imam Khomeini’s (r) commemoration ceremony.


  279. James Canning says:

    We should bear in mind that the sanctions against Iranian oil exports etc arose direclty due to Iran’s remarkable blunder last year, when it announced its intention to treble production of 20% U. This blunder played directly into the hands of Israeli leaders hoping to force Obama to attack Iran.

  280. James Canning says:

    Great piece. How much damage will the ISRAEL LOBBY do to America’s relationship with China, to enable Israel to continue to oppress the Palestinians?

  281. James Canning says:

    After Rssia suggsted Iran should be invited to a conference on how to bring stability to Syria, Hillary Clinton said she “could not imagine” inviting Iran. Typical third-rate “thinking” by Hillary Clinton.

  282. Castellio says:


    “On the Second Anniversary of the Gaza Freedom Flotilla, Turkish Court Indicts Senior Israeli Military Officials in Murders of Nine Passengers”

  283. Neo says:

    Fiorangela says: June 7, 2012 at 11:03 am

    “I think that’s shortsighted, or at least, it cuts off insight into crucial differences between the thinking patterns of Iranians, Israelis, and the Anglo world”


    I agree with you partially, and I was particularly interested in your observation (here and I think in earlier discussions too) that early Christianity somehow managed to miss Iran’s place in the world altogether.

    But I would suggest to you that what the Americans and Israelis think is not as important as they make out in their own heads. They need to open their eyes and ears and learn a little more.

    This does not require any retreat on Iran’s side. Quite the opposite: some more confident self-assertion – as with this blog’s highlighted article by Hua Liming – is exactly what is needed.

  284. Neo says:

    Interesting article on Asia Times regarding the Center for a New American Security’s new report entitled “Risk and Rivalry: Iran, Israel and the Bomb”.


    “In particular, they should not insist – as Israel and its backers in the US Congress are doing – that Tehran end all uranium enrichment on its own territory as a condition of any negotiated settlement since such a stance “would most likely result in no deal at all”.

    “The CNAS report is only the latest in a series of studies and analyses that have warned against a preventive attack on Iran, particularly by Israel.

    Last month, experts at the RAND Corporation, a think tank closely tied to the Pentagon, summarized the findings of two of its recent reports by concluding that “an Israeli or American attack on Iranian nuclear facilities would make it more, not less, likely that the Iranian regime would decide to produce and deploy nuclear weapons. … Such an attack would also make it more, not less, difficult to contain Iranian influence.”

    In fact, “a post-attack Middle East may result in the worst of both worlds: a nuclear-armed Iran more determined than ever to challenge the Jewish state, and with far fewer regional and international impediments to doing so,” the report stated, adding that Washington “should support the assessments of former and current Israeli officials who have argued against a military option”.”

    They are not saying it directly, but what they mean is: US & Israel can’t defeat or subjugate Iran. Negotiate, they Must.

  285. Jay says:

    Karl says:
    June 7, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Regarding the blockade story…. Search for the story “Iran plans a new terminal to bypass Hormuz” from a couple of weeks ago. Contingency planning is always a good thing!

    China will continue to need additional sources of energy – buying from the Saudi’s is no problem for Iran. Current projections, including maximum sustainable Saudi output, Iraqi oil online, and increasing Libya production, there will be a shortfall of 0.2% of current consumption by the end of 2012. In the global market, someone will have to buy – it just makes it more difficult.

  286. Fiorangela says:

    In the earlier thread, Neo responded to Castellio (June 7, 2012, 11:45 pm) that “talk of religious and cultural and political ‘fusion’, the Israel/USA double act is unconvincing. Beyond propaganda and obfuscation (the stuff of standard political discourse), no serious student of the ‘realism’ school would take their threats against Iran seriously.”

    I think that’s shortsighted, or at least, it cuts off insight into crucial differences between the thinking patterns of Iranians, Israelis, and the Anglo world

    The United States is the ‘daughter’ of Great Britain. U.S. philosophical, political, legal, and yes, religio-mythical underpinnings have their origins in Great Britain (and even at their origins, those religio-mythical roots were bifurcated, broadly, between Roger Williams and John Winthrop, but that’s a different discussion).

    The British were Christianized through Roman intermediaries, and the Christian canon that Constantine adopted was heavily influenced by Jewish advocates at a time when Rome was in a state of enmity with the (remnants of) the Persian empire. The Christian scriptures (New Testament) are nearly completely free of mention of Persia or of the influence of Persian religious and ethical practices; indeed, Constantine adopted Christianity in opposition to the Mithraism practiced by his troops. The British never had an original relationship with or exposure to the roots of Persian culture.

    Further, Great Britain was never part of the so-called Silk Road that dominated nations and peoples from Italy to Timbuktu to Isfehan to Peking. These ancient nations have entwined histories that are 3000 years old and more. Britain was not an original part of that relationship.

    Israel– Yehud/Jews– were only ever outsider or adopted elements of the Silk Road commercial and cultural exchange, the serendipitous gift of Nebuchadnezzar that was enhanced by Cyrus and every Persian ruler ever since. Nevertheless, Jews achieved their first and longest lasting security and prosperity as part of the Persian/Silk Road network.

    Americans would do well to use their best efforts to learn about the richness of the “root of Jesse Persia” and all its entwined network, before they plough up the landscape and kill that rich cultural resource forever.

  287. Rehmat says:

    Is there still some doubt that China is vowed by the USrael to isolate the country from Iran and Syria – in order to make it simple for the USrael to attack both Muslim nations under the UN cover?

    People has to learn from USrael’s “humanitarian wars” against Libya and Sudan last year.

    Israel: ‘South Sudanese are not welcome’

  288. thecelticinme says:

    What could the US possibly gain by normalizing relations with Iran diplomatically that it could not achieve at greater cost militarily?

  289. Karl says:

    China already have began to import oil from saudiarabia and chinese are more dependent on good relationsship with US, west than Iran. So I dont think the bound, unfortunately, is that strong. In the end of the day, it doesnt really matter since Israel and US will decide no matter what others might think.

  290. Karl says:

    While we see the use of salami-cut in Syria by clinton (get russia, china to accept more and more until regime change in Syria) it boils down to US silently reaching out to Iran to help. Of course they dont do it directly so they use their puppet Annan to do it for them.
    Just another proof of the power the same western states say Iran doesnt possess.
    Why Iran would help to destroy its strongest allied or why Iran should help US at all makes of course no sense.

    On another note, news from d*bka say that in the fall of 2012, US will impose blockade/embargo on Iran.