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		<title>By: sexy blog</title>
		<link>http://www.raceforiran.com/pushing-back-on-the-war-drums#comment-251</link>
		<dc:creator>sexy blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 14:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have hard time reading your blog with safari browser, you should update your blog</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.raceforiran.com/pushing-back-on-the-war-drums#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much as I do not want to be seen as a spokesperson for the Leveretts, I think WigWag makes a flawed argument to suggest that the object of this blog is to call on the president to follow Nixon&#039;s approach to China.

I have been reading this blog for a while and I have not heard much about Nixon or China.

What I hear is a reasoned approach to resolving the tension between the United States and Iran.

As far as I am concerned, the only way forward on this matter is for the United States to shed the undue influence from the Israeli and other lobbies and begin to have a cordial and meaningful relationship with Iran. 

The United States will be more likely to influence the actions of the Iranian government that way than through threats of sanctions and violence.

Another issue that WigWag raised is the human rights situation in Iran. Surely, it should be all right to comment when one feels the rights of others are being abused. 

But, I have noticed that it gets very tricky sometimes. How would WigWag and others feel if the Iranian government expressed concern when Ahmadou Diallo was murdered in a hail of bullets?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much as I do not want to be seen as a spokesperson for the Leveretts, I think WigWag makes a flawed argument to suggest that the object of this blog is to call on the president to follow Nixon&#8217;s approach to China.</p>
<p>I have been reading this blog for a while and I have not heard much about Nixon or China.</p>
<p>What I hear is a reasoned approach to resolving the tension between the United States and Iran.</p>
<p>As far as I am concerned, the only way forward on this matter is for the United States to shed the undue influence from the Israeli and other lobbies and begin to have a cordial and meaningful relationship with Iran. </p>
<p>The United States will be more likely to influence the actions of the Iranian government that way than through threats of sanctions and violence.</p>
<p>Another issue that WigWag raised is the human rights situation in Iran. Surely, it should be all right to comment when one feels the rights of others are being abused. </p>
<p>But, I have noticed that it gets very tricky sometimes. How would WigWag and others feel if the Iranian government expressed concern when Ahmadou Diallo was murdered in a hail of bullets?</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.raceforiran.com/pushing-back-on-the-war-drums#comment-223</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 19:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s obvious that Mousavi did not win the vote. That is what all the polls were showing and that is why Tehran was the only city in Iran with major demonstrations protesting the results. In the rest of the country as well as in South Tehran people were satisfied with the outcome (whether we like them or not). Those in the US who assume the vote was rigged, without providing real evidence, only say so because they are hostile towards Iran. Ironically, they are against democracy because the vote didn&#039;t go their way...and, of course, Lysander is absolutely correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s obvious that Mousavi did not win the vote. That is what all the polls were showing and that is why Tehran was the only city in Iran with major demonstrations protesting the results. In the rest of the country as well as in South Tehran people were satisfied with the outcome (whether we like them or not). Those in the US who assume the vote was rigged, without providing real evidence, only say so because they are hostile towards Iran. Ironically, they are against democracy because the vote didn&#8217;t go their way&#8230;and, of course, Lysander is absolutely correct.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnH</title>
		<link>http://www.raceforiran.com/pushing-back-on-the-war-drums#comment-222</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 17:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wigwag believes in Israel right or wrong. Having followed his comments for some time, I can assure you that he is very predictable: any enemy of Likud/Kadima is an enemy of Wigwag. Leverett and Leverett Mann do not espouse Likud&#039;s view of Iran, therefore they are &quot;crack cocaine realists,&quot; and their credibility must be undermined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wigwag believes in Israel right or wrong. Having followed his comments for some time, I can assure you that he is very predictable: any enemy of Likud/Kadima is an enemy of Wigwag. Leverett and Leverett Mann do not espouse Likud&#8217;s view of Iran, therefore they are &#8220;crack cocaine realists,&#8221; and their credibility must be undermined.</p>
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		<title>By: Lysander</title>
		<link>http://www.raceforiran.com/pushing-back-on-the-war-drums#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>Lysander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wig Wag, are you hiding your hatred for Iran behind the protesters? If the US or Israel were to attack Iran and kill those same 10 protesters...along with 10 thousand others would...you be equally indignant? And are the concerns of the anti-government protesters the same as yours? If the opposition takes power and institutes democratic reforms, but maintains Iran&#039;s current foreign policy, as is most likely, would you be happy?

I think not. Had Musavi won the June elections, the anti-Iran voices in this country were prepared to malign him as the prime minister in 1983 and therefore the one responsible for the Marine Barrack bombing. The sanctions would have stayed in place and the drumbeat for confrontation would have continued (although fewer would join along) The same is true if Musavi were to take power now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wig Wag, are you hiding your hatred for Iran behind the protesters? If the US or Israel were to attack Iran and kill those same 10 protesters&#8230;along with 10 thousand others would&#8230;you be equally indignant? And are the concerns of the anti-government protesters the same as yours? If the opposition takes power and institutes democratic reforms, but maintains Iran&#8217;s current foreign policy, as is most likely, would you be happy?</p>
<p>I think not. Had Musavi won the June elections, the anti-Iran voices in this country were prepared to malign him as the prime minister in 1983 and therefore the one responsible for the Marine Barrack bombing. The sanctions would have stayed in place and the drumbeat for confrontation would have continued (although fewer would join along) The same is true if Musavi were to take power now.</p>
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		<title>By: WigWag</title>
		<link>http://www.raceforiran.com/pushing-back-on-the-war-drums#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>WigWag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 02:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently the butchers in the Iranian Government have chosen the &#039;Ashura holiday to murder and maim Iranian protestors.  The New York Times is reporting that 10 are dead and hundreds wounded.  Government thugs have made a martyr of the nephew of the rightful President of Iran, Ali Mousavi.  A taboo has been breached and now thousands are chanting &quot;Death to Khamenei&quot; and &quot;Khamenei is a murderer.&quot;  You Tube is replete with videos highlighting the hatred in the country for the &quot;Supreme Leader.&quot;

Who is it that Leverett, Mann Leverett and Katcher want the United States to ally our nation with?

Ayatollah Khamenei.

Can someone remind me again why that&#039;s a good idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently the butchers in the Iranian Government have chosen the &#8216;Ashura holiday to murder and maim Iranian protestors.  The New York Times is reporting that 10 are dead and hundreds wounded.  Government thugs have made a martyr of the nephew of the rightful President of Iran, Ali Mousavi.  A taboo has been breached and now thousands are chanting &#8220;Death to Khamenei&#8221; and &#8220;Khamenei is a murderer.&#8221;  You Tube is replete with videos highlighting the hatred in the country for the &#8220;Supreme Leader.&#8221;</p>
<p>Who is it that Leverett, Mann Leverett and Katcher want the United States to ally our nation with?</p>
<p>Ayatollah Khamenei.</p>
<p>Can someone remind me again why that&#8217;s a good idea?</p>
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		<title>By: WigWag</title>
		<link>http://www.raceforiran.com/pushing-back-on-the-war-drums#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>WigWag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are you Chris?

Nothing in my comments here suggests &quot;uncontrollable hatred for the Leveretts.&quot; There isn&#039;t anything I&#039;ve written from my perch in obscurity that is any more severe than critiques of the Leverett&#039;s views from well-known pundits like Andrew Sullivan.  It was their friend and colleague, Steve Clemons, who called them &quot;crack-cocaine realists.&quot; I can assure you that despite this characterization, Clemons holds them in high regard.

For the record, I don&#039;t hate the Leveretts.  While I don&#039;t know them, I am sure that they are fine, generous and decent people.  I just disagree with them and my comments, as inartful as they are, express that disagreement.  Reasoned debate is what the comment section of a blog is for, isn&#039;t it?  Mr. Leverett and Ms Mann Leverett are obviously both highly intelligent and successful and I appreciate their willingness to let me express my point of view on their site without censoring what I have to say.

As long as we are on the subject, I also think Ben Katcher is a highly capable young man.  I look forward to reading his invariably intelligent and well-written posts at this website and at the Washington Note. I just wish that Katcher would learn something from Clemons, Leverett and Mann Leverett about the appropriate way to dress when a photograph is taken to be included in a prestigious blog like this one.  The Washington Note is adorned with the picture of a nattily dressed Steve Clemons.  The photos on this blog of Leverett and Mann Leverett make them both look like the consummate professionals that they are.  Katcher&#039;s photograph, with his open collar and his tee shirt sneaking out, makes him look like he&#039;s still dressing the way he did while making the rounds from the Bullock Dormitory, to the Goddard Library to the General Store and then to his &quot;Intro to Something&quot; class in Jonas Clark Hall.  He should upgrade his picture here to make it more appropriate to his high level of intelligence and erudition.  It&#039;s hard for me to believe that Clemons, Leverett and Mann Leverett have all been reluctant to make this suggestion to him.

You&#039;ve made clear, Chris, that you find my &quot;counter-arguments&quot; to be &quot;ignorant&quot; so it is probably a waste of time for me to try to encapsulate for you what I object to about the major thesis of the Leveretts, but I am vain enough to try anyway.

The Leveretts and Katcher suggest that President Obama should follow the precedent established by President Nixon when he reached out and negotiated a &quot;grand bargain&quot; with China. I think the argument is flawed because the differences between China in the 1960s and Iran in 2010 are too numerous to mention.  But even if ad arguendo you accept the analogy the Leveretts postulate between China and Iran, their argument still fails.

The Leveretts are mistaken in thinking that Nixon&#039;s policy towards China was a success; in fact, it was a failure.  Virtually every communist nation that the United States opposed during the Cold War has a far more liberal government today than it did then.  Most of our former Warsaw Pact adversaries are true democracies today and Russia, while not a true democracy, is a far more liberal nation than it was during the Cold War.  The three Baltic Nations, the Ukraine and Georgia once had the same relationship with the Soviet Union that Tibet has to China today.  Those former Soviet colonies are now all free; Tibet is not.

Nixon&#039;s policy towards China exempted China from the Cold War between the United States and the Communist world.  The result is that China is a far less free nation today than either Russia or the Warsaw Pact nations.  The former Soviet colonies unlike China&#039;s colonies have been liberated.

Nixon&#039;s policies towards China also set the stage for the extraordinarily dysfunctional economic and financial relationship that the United States and China suffer from today.  In no small part the recent worldwide financial breakdown was facilitated by the two headed monster of the United States as the world&#039;s largest debtor nation and China as the world&#039;s largest creditor nation.  Would the housing bubble that preceded the world-wide financial collapse have even occurred but for China&#039;s huge surpluses that made them anxious to finance U.S. debt at extraordinarily low interest rates?  The bizarre and unhealthy economic relationship that developed between the United States and China might very well never have occurred but for Nixon&#039;s decision to exempt China as an American adversary during the Cold War.

Nixon&#039;s China policy was a failure.  Recapitulating that policy with Iran would be a big mistake.

How does that old adage go?  

Isn’t it something like, “those who don&#039;t learn from history are doomed to repeat it?”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are you Chris?</p>
<p>Nothing in my comments here suggests &#8220;uncontrollable hatred for the Leveretts.&#8221; There isn&#8217;t anything I&#8217;ve written from my perch in obscurity that is any more severe than critiques of the Leverett&#8217;s views from well-known pundits like Andrew Sullivan.  It was their friend and colleague, Steve Clemons, who called them &#8220;crack-cocaine realists.&#8221; I can assure you that despite this characterization, Clemons holds them in high regard.</p>
<p>For the record, I don&#8217;t hate the Leveretts.  While I don&#8217;t know them, I am sure that they are fine, generous and decent people.  I just disagree with them and my comments, as inartful as they are, express that disagreement.  Reasoned debate is what the comment section of a blog is for, isn&#8217;t it?  Mr. Leverett and Ms Mann Leverett are obviously both highly intelligent and successful and I appreciate their willingness to let me express my point of view on their site without censoring what I have to say.</p>
<p>As long as we are on the subject, I also think Ben Katcher is a highly capable young man.  I look forward to reading his invariably intelligent and well-written posts at this website and at the Washington Note. I just wish that Katcher would learn something from Clemons, Leverett and Mann Leverett about the appropriate way to dress when a photograph is taken to be included in a prestigious blog like this one.  The Washington Note is adorned with the picture of a nattily dressed Steve Clemons.  The photos on this blog of Leverett and Mann Leverett make them both look like the consummate professionals that they are.  Katcher&#8217;s photograph, with his open collar and his tee shirt sneaking out, makes him look like he&#8217;s still dressing the way he did while making the rounds from the Bullock Dormitory, to the Goddard Library to the General Store and then to his &#8220;Intro to Something&#8221; class in Jonas Clark Hall.  He should upgrade his picture here to make it more appropriate to his high level of intelligence and erudition.  It&#8217;s hard for me to believe that Clemons, Leverett and Mann Leverett have all been reluctant to make this suggestion to him.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve made clear, Chris, that you find my &#8220;counter-arguments&#8221; to be &#8220;ignorant&#8221; so it is probably a waste of time for me to try to encapsulate for you what I object to about the major thesis of the Leveretts, but I am vain enough to try anyway.</p>
<p>The Leveretts and Katcher suggest that President Obama should follow the precedent established by President Nixon when he reached out and negotiated a &#8220;grand bargain&#8221; with China. I think the argument is flawed because the differences between China in the 1960s and Iran in 2010 are too numerous to mention.  But even if ad arguendo you accept the analogy the Leveretts postulate between China and Iran, their argument still fails.</p>
<p>The Leveretts are mistaken in thinking that Nixon&#8217;s policy towards China was a success; in fact, it was a failure.  Virtually every communist nation that the United States opposed during the Cold War has a far more liberal government today than it did then.  Most of our former Warsaw Pact adversaries are true democracies today and Russia, while not a true democracy, is a far more liberal nation than it was during the Cold War.  The three Baltic Nations, the Ukraine and Georgia once had the same relationship with the Soviet Union that Tibet has to China today.  Those former Soviet colonies are now all free; Tibet is not.</p>
<p>Nixon&#8217;s policy towards China exempted China from the Cold War between the United States and the Communist world.  The result is that China is a far less free nation today than either Russia or the Warsaw Pact nations.  The former Soviet colonies unlike China&#8217;s colonies have been liberated.</p>
<p>Nixon&#8217;s policies towards China also set the stage for the extraordinarily dysfunctional economic and financial relationship that the United States and China suffer from today.  In no small part the recent worldwide financial breakdown was facilitated by the two headed monster of the United States as the world&#8217;s largest debtor nation and China as the world&#8217;s largest creditor nation.  Would the housing bubble that preceded the world-wide financial collapse have even occurred but for China&#8217;s huge surpluses that made them anxious to finance U.S. debt at extraordinarily low interest rates?  The bizarre and unhealthy economic relationship that developed between the United States and China might very well never have occurred but for Nixon&#8217;s decision to exempt China as an American adversary during the Cold War.</p>
<p>Nixon&#8217;s China policy was a failure.  Recapitulating that policy with Iran would be a big mistake.</p>
<p>How does that old adage go?  </p>
<p>Isn’t it something like, “those who don&#8217;t learn from history are doomed to repeat it?”</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.raceforiran.com/pushing-back-on-the-war-drums#comment-217</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one looks at events in Iran more carefully, it seems pretty clear that in general the demonstrations are not taking place outside of Tehran (the funeral in Qom was for the most part nonpolitical and the protesters were mostly from Tehran). Significantly, the demonstrators in Tehran are mostly from more affluent neighborhoods and the south of the city has been completely quiet. In addition, over time, the protestor&#039;s numbers have been dwindling as the protests become more violent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one looks at events in Iran more carefully, it seems pretty clear that in general the demonstrations are not taking place outside of Tehran (the funeral in Qom was for the most part nonpolitical and the protesters were mostly from Tehran). Significantly, the demonstrators in Tehran are mostly from more affluent neighborhoods and the south of the city has been completely quiet. In addition, over time, the protestor&#8217;s numbers have been dwindling as the protests become more violent.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal K</title>
		<link>http://www.raceforiran.com/pushing-back-on-the-war-drums#comment-216</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 18:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what is stunning about the writing of the Leveretts and Katcher is the extent to which they go to ignore what is happening on the streets of Iranian cities. reading this blog, you would not know that thousands and millions of Iranians are demonstrating against the regime. why? simply because acknowledging this fact is inconvenient to the Leveretts&#039; thesis. i am truly underwhelmed by their and katcher&#039;s level of expertise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is stunning about the writing of the Leveretts and Katcher is the extent to which they go to ignore what is happening on the streets of Iranian cities. reading this blog, you would not know that thousands and millions of Iranians are demonstrating against the regime. why? simply because acknowledging this fact is inconvenient to the Leveretts&#8217; thesis. i am truly underwhelmed by their and katcher&#8217;s level of expertise.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 03:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are you WigWag?
What I find striking about your comments in not your “counter arguments” but your ignorance. Plus, your uncontrollable hatred for the Leveretts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are you WigWag?<br />
What I find striking about your comments in not your “counter arguments” but your ignorance. Plus, your uncontrollable hatred for the Leveretts.</p>
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