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The Race for Iran


Saif al-Adel, shown in a photo released by the FBI on Oct. 10, 2001. NPR's caption for the photo: "Al-Adel spent years detained in Iran, where the U.S. couldn't target him."

National Public Radio recently broadcast a piece, see here, asserting that Seif al-Adel, a likely candidate to head or be deputy leader of al-Qaida, owes his life to the Islamic Republic of Iran.  This story is part of a small wave of “news reports” (for another example, see here) claiming extensive ties between Tehran and senior al Qaida figures.  According to NPR,   

“Rick Nelson, who tracks al-Qa’ida for the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, D.C., says if al-Adel does eventually become al-Qa’ida‘s new leader, he owes it all to Iran.  ‘Being in Iran for a long period of time, through most of the U.S. war against al-Qa’ida, preserved his life in many ways,’ Nelson says.  ‘And now it has put him in position to possibly take over the organization.’  In other words, because al-Adel was in Iran, the U.S. couldn’t target him for the past nine years.”  

NPR also reports that, “according to U.S. officials familiar with the case”, in 2010 Tehran swapped Seif al-Adel for an Iranian diplomat who had been kidnapped by al-Qa’ida in Pakistan two years previously—thereby putting him back on the street and, perhaps, in line to succeed Osama bin Laden.    

The poor quality of the mainstream media’s reporting on Iran’s connections to al-Qa’ida is deeply reminiscent of its profoundly flawed reporting about Iraqi ties to al-Qa’ida in the lead-up to America’s 2003 invasion of Iraq.  Today, mainstream reporting on Tehran’s posture toward al-Qa’ida reflects a distorted but by-now deeply ingrained view of what happened during U.S.-Iranian official talks about al-Qa’ida and Afghanistan from 2001-2003—talks in which Hillary was directly involved.

In the wake of the 9/11 attacks and the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, perhaps as many as 300 Taliban and al-Qa’ida members fled Afghanistan for Iran.  By comparison, several thousand Taliban and al-Qa’ida members fled Afghanistan for Pakistan.  But, in contrast to Pakistan, Iran apprehended more than 200 such individuals, documenting this to the United Nations in February 2002, including by providing copies of each person’s passport.  Moreover, Iran repatriated a large percentage of these individuals to their countries of origin—to the Karzai government in Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, and elsewhere. 

But Iran informed us directly that it could not repatriate all of the individuals it detained.  For example, the Islamic Republic had no diplomatic relations with Egypt—where Seif al-Adel is from—and Iranian diplomats told Hillary and her colleagues that Tehran was not able to repatriate al-Qa’ida operatives of Egyptian origin to Egypt.  

They also said that Osama bin Ladin’s son, Saad, had tried to enter Iran and that Iranian security forces had turned him away.  However, these Iranian diplomats expressed concern that, if Saad bin Ladin managed to penetrate the porous Iranian-Afghan border and enter Iranian territory—as he apparently did in 2003, after the Bush Administration had unilaterally cut off the talks with Iran regarding Afghanistan and al-Qa’ida—Tehran would encounter difficulty repatriating him to Saudi Arabia, which had already made clear it would not take either Saad bin Ladin or his father.

Instead of working to establish a framework within which Tehran could have made al-Qa’ida operatives detained in Iran available to U.S. interrogators—as our Iranian interlocutors requested—the Bush Administration insisted that Iran detain and deport all the al-Qa’ida figures we believed might be in Iran, without any assistance from or reciprocal understandings with the United States.  (From the Bush Administration’s perspective, this was meant to be a “test” of Iranian intentions.)

Later, in the run up to the invasion of Iraq, the Bush Administration told the Iranians that the mojahedin-e khalq (MEK), an Iraqi-based Iranian opposition group that the United States had for years identified as a foreign terrorist organization, would be targeted as an extension of Saddam’s military apparatus.  However, in the immediate aftermath of the invasion, the Pentagon instead granted the MEK special protected status, raising concerns in Tehran that Washington wanted to use the MEK as part of a campaign to bring down the Islamic Republic.  At that point, the Iranians began to view the al-Qa’ida operatives in its custody as a potential bargaining chip to use with Washington regarding the MEK.

In response to the Bush Administration’s unconditional demands that Tehran turn over al-Qa’ida operatives we believed to be on Iranian soil, the Iranians offered a deal:  to exchange the remaining al-Qa’ida figures they had detained for MEK cadres in Iraq.  To facilitate such an exchange, the Iranians offered to release all low- and mid-level MEK figures, to allow the International Committee for the Red Cross (ICRC) to monitor the treatment of any high-level MEK figures detained in Iran (which would have established the precedent of having the ICRC in Iran’s prisons), and to forego application of the death penalty to any high-level MEK figures found guilty of crimes by Iranian courts.

In the end, it was the Bush Administration, not Iran, that rebuffed a deal which would have given us access to important al-Qa’ida operatives—including, possibly, Seif al-Adel.  We do not know whether the story that the Islamic Republic ultimately cut a deal with al-Qa’ida to trade Seif al-Adel for a kidnapped Iranian diplomat is true.  However, if it is true, it strongly suggests that Tehran was absolutely on the level when it offered to swap al-Qa’ida detainees for MEK figures in Iraq.  But Washington was too swept up in its own imperial hubris to make the deal.  And that’s the real reason Seif al-Adel may become the next Osama bin Laden.      

–Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett



  1. fyi says:

    Castellio says: June 8, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    Forgot to add the 8-th Imam.

    He is very big for them as well as other Iranians.

  2. fyi says:

    Castellio says: June 8, 2011 at 4:50 pm

    There is no definition only a series of observations.

    The Tehran Religiosity considers everyone “saved”; everybody is as good a (Shia) Muslims as anyone else. And they respect those that are more righteous and pious than is typical.

    It does not believe that Mullahs or anyone else has a right to tell them how to behave or who is a good Muslim; they reject the idea of Perscriptions to Good Muslimhood.

    They do not care about hejab for themselves, their daughters, their sisters. They do not care to avoid mixed company of men and women; their weddings and parties is always mixed. They are not the perpetrators of “Honor Killing” – but they do care if their womenfolk are wearing too revealing clothes.

    For them, the most important of the 14 Immaculate of the Traditional Shia Doctrines are The Prophet, Imam Ali, and Imam Hussein. The other 11 Shia Saints do not have a living presence in their lives.

    They are not against Islamic Law per se, they are against aspects of it that they think is backward. Their women complain about the possibility of polygamy and unequal inheritance laws in Islam but those same people also support “Mahr” and “Qesas” – the divorce indemnity and the Judicial Retribution (Vitims’ rights in Western parlance).

    They may or may not fast, or pray in the perscribed forms. But they consider Muslims as much as others. They cringe when they hear – for the 100-th time – that universities are to be segrated based on sex.

    They go to Kerbala, or Mashad, or Mecca but they are not pharisees who wear their religion on their faces.

  3. masoud says:


    Thanks. It really is annoying that not even Iranian internet media provide comprehensive coverage of these events. I mean, i’m sure all Western governments and analysts have access to all this type of material, it’s just lay observers who suffer.

  4. masoud says:

    More on FYI’s hero, Seth Blatter, who selflessly serves Muslimite Women by valiantly battling those dangerous Eye-Ranian Muslimite men on their behalf:

    “In addition, for years, human rights organizations have asked Blatter to take a stand and say something about the horrific influx of sex-slave trafficking that accompanies the arrival of the World Cup. Blatter’s cold response, ‘Prostitution and trafficking of women does not fall within the sphere of responsibility of an international sports federation but in that of the authorities and the lawmakers of any given country.’ In other words, he’s not exactly Susan Faludi.”

    Well, thank god for international standards. But it’s not like he doesn’t have any help.

    “Only Sepp Blatter, whose reputation for degeneracy approaches legend, would hire a war criminal like Henry Kissinger to head ‘a committee of wise persons’ aimed at ‘rooting out corruption’ in his organization.”


    This of course, after the bribery fiasco involving the awarding of the 2022 World Cup to those beacons of religious tolerance and understanding, who without fail abide by international norms standards: the Wahabists gaggle running Qatar.


  5. masoud says:


    You should really stop acting like such a negative little shit. It gets tiring.
    Here is your hero Seth Blatter proposing in 2004 that women players should
    “wear tighter shorts to promote ‘a more female aesthetic'”

    “Sepp Blatter, the president of the world governing body Fifa, said women should have skimpier kit to increase the popularity of the game. ‘Let the women play in more feminine clothes like they do in volleyball,’ he said.”

    “‘They could, for example, have tighter shorts. Female players are pretty, if you excuse me for saying so, and they already have some different rules to men – such as playing with a lighter ball. That decision was taken to create a more female aesthetic, so why not do it in fashion?'”

    As reported by that Pharisee Muslimite rag, The Guardian:


  6. BiBiJon says:

    On the très chic Iran’s women soccer team

    How do you know when in fact the team’s uniform was completely OK?

    By the choice of NY Times picture on their blog about the matter.


  7. James Canning says:

    A short report in the Wall Street Journal June 7th said that Hillary Clinton had given no support to Sarkozy’s bid to have a Paris conference in Israel/Palestine, and she was trying to get the Palestinians and the Israelis back into so-called “negotiations”. But we know Netanyahu will keep growing the illegal colonies of Jews in the West Bank.

  8. Castellio says:

    FYI – is there a definition of Tehran Religiosity that outsiders might understand?

  9. Castellio says:

    Staying with the economic theme:

    US universities in Africa ‘land grab

    US universities are reportedly using endowment funds to make deals that may force thousands from their land in Africa. Photograph: Boston Globe via Getty Images

    Harvard and other major American universities are working through British hedge funds and European financial speculators to buy or lease vast areas of African farmland in deals, some of which may force many thousands of people off their land, according to a new study.

    Researchers say foreign investors are profiting from “land grabs” that often fail to deliver the promised benefits of jobs and economic development, and can lead to environmental and social problems in the poorest countries in the world.

    The new report on land acquisitions in seven African countries suggests that Harvard, Vanderbilt and many other US colleges with large endowment funds have invested heavily in African land in the past few years. Much of the money is said to be channelled through London-based Emergent asset management, which runs one of Africa’s largest land acquisition funds, run by former JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs currency dealers.

    Researchers at the California-based Oakland Institute think that Emergent’s clients in the US may have invested up to $500m in some of the most fertile land in the expectation of making 25% returns.

    Emergent said the deals were handled responsibly. “Yes, university endowment funds and pension funds are long-term investors,” a spokesman said. “We are investing in African agriculture and setting up businesses and employing people. We are doing it in a responsible way … The amounts are large. They can be hundreds of millions of dollars. This is not landgrabbing. We want to make the land more valuable. Being big makes an impact, economies of scale can be more productive.”

    Chinese and Middle Eastern firms have previously been identified as “grabbing” large tracts of land in developing countries to grow cheap food for home populations, but western funds are behind many of the biggest deals, says the Oakland institute, an advocacy research group.

    The company that manages Harvard’s investment funds declined to comment. “It is Harvard management company policy not to discuss investments or investment strategy and therefore I cannot confirm the report,” said a spokesman. Vanderbilt also declined to comment.

    Oakland said investors overstated the benefits of the deals for the communities involved. “Companies have been able to create complex layers of companies and subsidiaries to avert the gaze of weak regulatory authorities. Analysis of the contracts reveal that many of the deals will provide few jobs and will force many thousands of people off the land,” said Anuradha Mittal, Oakland’s director.

    In Tanzania, the memorandum of understanding between the local government and US-based farm development corporation AgriSol Energy, which is working with Iowa University, stipulates that the two main locations – Katumba and Mishamo – for their project are refugee settlements holding as many as 162,000 people that will have to be closed before the $700m project can start. The refugees have been farming this land for 40 years.

    In Ethiopia, a process of “villagisation” by the government is moving tens of thousands of people from traditional lands into new centres while big land deals are being struck with international companies.

    The largest land deal in South Sudan, where as much as 9% of the land is said by Norwegian analysts to have been bought in the last few years, was negotiated between a Texas-based firm, Nile Trading and Development and a local co-operative run by absent chiefs. The 49-year lease of 400,000 hectares of central Equatoria for around $25,000 (£15,000) allows the company to exploit all natural resources including oil and timber. The company, headed by former US Ambassador Howard Eugene Douglas, says it intends to apply for UN-backed carbon credits that could provide it with millions of pounds a year in revenues.

    In Mozambique, where up to 7m hectares of land is potentially available for investors, western hedge funds are said in the report to be working with South Africans businesses to buy vast tracts of forest and farmland for investors in Europe and the US. The contracts show the government will waive taxes for up to 25 years, but few jobs will be created.

    “No one should believe that these investors are there to feed starving Africans, create jobs or improve food security,” said Obang Metho of Solidarity Movement for New Ethiopia. “These agreements – many of which could be in place for 99 years – do not mean progress for local people and will not lead to food in their stomachs. These deals lead only to dollars in the pockets of corrupt leaders and foreign investors.”

    “The scale of the land deals being struck is shocking”, said Mittal. “The conversion of African small farms and forests into a natural-asset-based, high-return investment strategy can drive up food prices and increase the risks of climate change.

    Research by the World Bank and others suggests that nearly 60m hectares – an area the size of France – has been bought or leased by foreign companies in Africa in the past three years.

    “Most of these deals are characterised by a lack of transparency, despite the profound implications posed by the consolidation of control over global food markets and agricultural resources by financial firms,” says the report.

    “We have seen cases of speculators taking over agricultural land while small farmers, viewed as squatters, are forcibly removed with no compensation,” said Frederic Mousseau, policy director at Oakland, said: “This is creating insecurity in the global food system that could be a much bigger threat to global security than terrorism. More than one billion people around the world are living with hunger. The majority of the world’s poor still depend on small farms for their livelihoods, and speculators are taking these away while promising progress that never happens.”


  10. fyi says:

    Persian Gulf says: June 8, 2011 at 2:49 pm

    There are about 4 to 5 million people with what I call the “Tehran Religiosity”.

    There was less than 1 million of them 30 years ago.

    In another 40 years, this Tehran Religiosity will be about 70 million souls.

    At that time, pharisee Islam, both as a project and as a living reality will be finished in Iran.

  11. fyi says:

    Liz says: June 8, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    I only represent myself and not any one else.

  12. fyi says:

    James Canning says: June 8, 2011 at 2:35 pm

    It is irrelvant.

  13. BiBiJon says:

    On the très chic Iran’s women soccer team

    “The decision by FIFA officials to stop the Iranian women’s soccer team from playing in an Olympic qualifier because they wear close-fitting headscarves is truly unfortunate and casts an advance pall over next year’s games. It’s true that the Iranians were in violation of rules that have been in place since 2007. But by jumping on the headscarf ban bandwagon, the football association’s capitulating to bad, trendy public policy that, in this case, has the added ill effect of pushing women out of an arena where they can win respect and public support along with Olympic medals.”

    From http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2011/06/07/238344/fifa-picks-headscarf-ban-over-sportsmanship/

  14. BiBiJon says:

    On the très chic Iran’s women soccer team


    “FIFA announced Monday that the headscarves broke the association’s dress code, a decision made by officials just prior to game’s start, according to The Washington Post. One FIFA official, who was not identified in the article, said the headscarves were banned because it was a safety issue. The Iranian athletes, dismayed over the ruling, took to the field crying, in shock that their Olympic dreams were over.

    Safety issue? Really? Are you kidding me?”

  15. BiBiJon says:

    On the très chic Iran’s women soccer team

    “In a rare gesture to Iran, Jordanian Prince Ali Bin Al Hussein said he would seek to mediate a resolution of the dispute between world soccer body FIFA and Iran over women’s professional football dress.”



    “In a typical frantic effort to save his (and fellow {Persian] GCC countries’ rulers’] royal posterior, Jordanian Prince Ali Bin Al Hussein said he would seek to mediate a resolution of the dispute between world soccer body FIFA and Iran over women’s professional football dress.”

  16. Persian Gulf says:


    it didn’t take too long for us to be labeled as part of western conspiracy!

    I am actually suspicious of myself now! may be I got paid by western governments to feed propaganda against these people. need to check my bank accounts to see whether or not there was any of such money deposited in there. are you sure of yourself not being part of that plot? :)

    I also realized recently that I am somehow affiliated with “jaryane enherafi” :-o so, which one I am? or probably both!

    these people don’t understand that this latest labeling means the absolute majority of those who voted for Ahmadinejad are against the system. or perhaps they say, so let it be.

    “A house divided against itself cannot stand [for long!],”

  17. Castellio says:

    First economic principles in the decline of America in less than one minute.


  18. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Seyyed PG,
    For the record, I don’t think bad hejab women are prostitutes. Also if being a prostitute is not bad, how do feel about this…”hey PG, your mama is a whore”. See just doesn’t feel right does it. Of course for the record your dear mother is far from all that, but I hope you understand that there is something wrong with being a prostitute which we all get on an intrinsic level.

    Also the Cameroonian ladies are good Muslims just ignorant of many Islamic laws. As usual fyi has no clue what he is talking about and misrepresents the opposing view.

  19. James Canning says:

    Unknown Unknowns,

    Yes, the issue had much to do with social class. Not to mention that “house” blacks often were near relations to the owners of the estate on which the “big house” was situated.

  20. James Canning says:


    Are you claiming the “house” blacks in pre-Civil War American did not regard themselves as superior to the “field” blacks?

  21. fyi says:

    Iranian says: June 8, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    Please point to me were I have (intentionally or not) misrepresented people?

  22. fyi says:

    James Canning says: June 8, 2011 at 1:45 pm


  23. Unknown Unknowns says:

    James Canning says:
    June 8, 2011 at 2:12 pm
    Thanks. And it might be noted that “house” blacks in Antebellu American enjoyed a living standard higher than that of a good proportion of the white population.


    Indeed. In fact I remember writing a paper on William Faulkner’s *Absolom , Absolom* whose thesis was that Faulkner’s main issue was class and not race, and he used precisely the reality that you pointed to to demonstrate his point. (The character of the story’s anti-hero, Sutpen, who was of blue-grass mountain trash stock, was deeply affected when he was sent by his father to the house of the local plantation owner on an errand, only to be told by the house nigger to go to the back, to use the back door.

  24. Unknown Unknowns says:

    “Most Americans are too ignorant to comprehend the Zionist scheme is in part a gigantic scam, dwarfing the Madoff Ponzi scheme.”


    The whole of the privitized central banks -based economies of the West is nothing but a Ponzi scheme with the dog (the beebol) being made to chase its own tail by virtue of the fact that in said system money is not created to expand the economy apace with productivity growth. Rather, a truly evil financial instrument called monetized debt is created instead, which is then [mal-] distributed through the fractional reserve banking system. The difference between the two is that in the case of the latter, to borrow the metaphor of musical chairs, for every 10 chairs, there are 11 people, the 11th being the parasitical “international banker” (a-hem), which, however, is NEVER left standing when the music stops. And so, you have a system whereby a businessman is given 10 dollars, but is always having to scurry around in a dog-eat-dog fashion (that is antithetical and highly caustic to human nature) to find that extra dollar, becuase he must pay back 11 not 10 dollars. And the other dogs in the race are set up in a similar way.

    Kinda reminds me of the slomo scene in Guy Ritchie’s brilliant Snatch, where the dogs are set on the hare, which is doomed no matter now fast he runs.

  25. James Canning says:

    Unknown Unknowns,

    Thanks. And it might be noted that “house” blacks in Antebellu American enjoyed a living standard higher than that of a good proportion of the white population.

  26. James Canning says:

    The Iranian foreign ministry said today that the US is trying to foment divisions between Arab countries and Iran, to benefit Israel. This statement clearly is all-too-true.

  27. Iranian says:

    Malcolm X and the House Negro:


  28. Unknown Unknowns says:

    James Canning says:
    June 8, 2011 at 1:45 pm
    Unknown Unknows,
    The “house” blacks in America prior to the Civil War considered themselves greatly superior to the “field” blacks.


    Yes, thank you, James. I am well aware of the attitude, which was amply displayed by my erstwhile interlocutor.

    And by the way, I have not forgotten your question about the good and evil thing, and intend to get to it shortly. It is just that at the time of posting, I was not feeling well and was not up to responding.

  29. James Canning says:


    Interesting link! Did Wasserstein Perella pay Rahm Emanuel $16 million for two years of “work”? This fact needs much wider publicity.

    In Vienna prior to the First World War, the population of the city was 10% Jewish but Jews were 71% of the financiers.

    Most Americans are too ignorant to comprehend the Zionist scheme is in part a gigantic scam, dwarfing the Madoff Ponzi scheme. Insiders are making billions of dollars from special deals enabled by the US Congress.

  30. James Canning says:

    Unknown Unknowns,

    The Financial Times reports that Saudi Arabia increased its daily oil production by 200,000 barrels in May, and expects to repeat the perfomance this month.

  31. Iranian says:


    When you intentionally misrepresent people, you become more like the western media.

  32. James Canning says:

    Unknown Unknows,

    The “house” blacks in America prior to the Civil War considered themselves greatly superior to the “field” blacks.

  33. James Canning says:


    Is it fair to say Diane Rehm is a whore of the warmongers, intentionally helping them to deceive the American people?

  34. James Canning says:


    John F. Kennedy may well have been assassinated because he intended to pull US troops out of South Vietnam. Lyndon Johnson deserves credit for creating the catastrophe in Southeast Asia, though Nixon blundered when he followed Kissinger’s advice and made a very slow withdrawal (for domestic political reasons) instead of the rapid end to the war he promised during the 1968 campaign.

  35. Unknown Unknowns says:


    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    (Pobre Hans)

  36. Unknown Unknowns says:

    As soon as we managed to get rid of Scotty Boy and his sidekick Pacman, we got the fyi and PG dog and pony show. WTF??

    Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.

  37. Unknown Unknowns says:

    BiBiJon says:
    June 8, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Great minds think alike ;o) But of course you have the better diction.

    And I couldn’t agree more with your: “As always, it is the mindless gobbledygook in defense of Goliath, and in condemnation of David that folks will find even more revolting than Goliath himself.”

    Its the hypocrisy, stupid! Freakin’ Weasels.

  38. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Jabbawock says:
    June 8, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Next time you want to add more than one link to your post, it will not await moderation if you add a comma or colon before the http part of the address

  39. BiBiJon says:

    Jabbawock says:
    June 8, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    Only one link per message is allowed through the automatic filter. Additional hyperlinks must be disguised. Easily done:


    And, notice the “,” at the beginning of the next ink.


  40. fyi says:

    Castellio says: June 8, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    The late Mr. Richard Nixon had excellent grasp of geo-politics.

    And he ended the war in Vietnam which his 2 predecessors had started.

    His fault was that he broke the law by obstructing justice out of a misguided sense of loyalty to his associates.

    But when Ronald Reagan broke the law by lying to US Congress, he was not impeached.

  41. BiBiJon says:

    On the très chic Iran’s women soccer team

    That corruption-ridden FIFA’s decision will resonate more than wikileaks, abu-Ghraib, or …

    I’d trace at least the next three revolutions to this episode alone. Also, the currently ongoing revolutions will take a sharp turn on the road because of this episode.

    As always, it is the mindless gobbledygook in defense of Goliath, and in condemnation of David that folks will find even more revolting than Goliath himself.

  42. fyi says:

    Persian Gulf says: June 8, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Yes, you are probably right.

    If they ever visit Cameroon, the sight of all those Muslim women with their flowering dresses and robes flowing over their lovely ebony skin will give them a fit!

    But those Muslim African women, like myself, would be just so many niggers, no?

  43. Liz says:

    These are the real prostitutes:


  44. Jabbawock says:

    Hey Kathleen,

    Have you reading Nima’s recent analysis over at WideAsleepinAmerica.com?

    I’ve tried to post links to his latest posts here on RFI, but the moderator hasn’t allowed them. I think the RFI community would be very interested in his writing.

  45. Unknown Unknowns says:


    Only if you are up to it… otherwise, don’t worry about it. The forum is really not that conducive to a meaningful interchange, as we have both stated.

  46. Castellio says:

    Daniel Ellsberg:

    “Richard Nixon, if he were alive today, might take bittersweet satisfaction to know that he was not the last smart president to prolong unjustifiably a senseless, unwinnable war, at great cost in human life. (And his aide Henry Kissinger was not the last American official to win an undeserved Nobel Peace Prize.)

    He would probably also feel vindicated (and envious) that ALL the crimes he committed against me–which forced his resignation facing impeachment–are now legal.

    That includes burglarizing my former psychoanalyst’s office (for material to blackmail me into silence), warrantless wiretapping, using the CIA against an American citizen in the US, and authorizing a White House hit squad to “incapacitate me totally” (on the steps of the Capitol on May 3, 1971). All the above were to prevent me from exposing guilty secrets of his own administration that went beyond the Pentagon Papers. But under George W. Bush and Barack Obama,with the PATRIOT Act, the FISA Amendment Act, and (for the hit squad) President Obama’s executive orders. they have all become legal.

    There is no further need for present or future presidents to commit obstructions of justice (like Nixon’s bribes to potential witnesses) to conceal such acts. Under the new laws, Nixon would have stayed in office, and the Vietnam War would have continued at least several more years.

    Likewise, where Nixon was the first president in history to use the 54-year-old Espionage Act to indict an American (me) for unauthorized disclosures to the American people (it had previously been used, as intended, exclusively against spies), he would be impressed to see that President Obama has now brought five such indictments against leaks, almost twice as many as all previous presidents put together (three).

    He could only admire Obama’s boldness in using the same Espionage Act provisions used against me–almost surely unconstitutional used against disclosures to the American press and public in my day, less surely under the current Supreme Court–to indict Thomas Drake, a classic whistleblower who exposed illegality and waste in the NSA.

    Drake’s trial begins on June 13, the 40th anniversary of the publication of the Pentagon Papers. If Nixon were alive, he might well choose to attend. ”


  47. Liz says:

    Sorry Persian Gulf, but I didn’t write anything like that. I said that Iran doesn’t have to abide by western standards.

    When you are not honest, you lose credibility.

  48. Castellio says:

    UU, thanks for the reference. When I have some time I’ll respond to threads now grown cold.

  49. Persian Gulf says:

    fyi says:
    June 8, 2011 at 11:36 am

    “And bare neck is against Islam?”; yes, of course they think that way. you have to understand their deep sense of insecurity.

    “So all these Muslim women without scarves are bad Muslims?”

    well, in view of people like prof. BiB and Liz, they are prostitutes to precise. even the ones that are so called Bad-Hejab are in that category in their worldview. they say this in their private conversations.

    basically, don’t know what is even wrong to be a prostitute? we (presumably) sell our brain, if any!, and the prostitutes sell their bodies. same s*** fundamentally, if the little difference doesn’t matter much.

  50. fyi says:

    Liz says: June 8, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Propaganda is not going to get you anywhere.

    Mongols caused as much destruction as the accursed West.

    And read Rudaki’s long ode to his missing teeth were he laments all the slave girls – from all over the world – that he would purchase and enjoy.


    So the Law is anintegral part of religion, as you say?

    Why are there then no slave markets in Iran?

    And bare neck is against Islam?

    So all these Muslim women without scarves are bad Muslims?

    Who are you to judge them, God?

    Repent from your pharisee arrogance.


    Insults are plain silly, you are a grown man.

    Stop whining.


    The fact remains that the young women were crying in public; usually when people cry it is because the world has turned to be different than they thought. They are not lionesses; they are just poor young women whose dreams were dashed in public.

    What price pharisee Islam?

  51. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Bussedin Professor:

    Well, before i got to your pun, this line made me LOL:

    “Only in the delusions of child molesters like Frithjof Schuon and other perrennialist scumbags (including a famous Iranian professor residing in the US) is law not integral to religion. ”

    Becuase it was precicely the perennialists whom I had in mind when I wrote:

    “that your vision of the ecumenicism of the Abrahamic religions is nothing but a New Age syncretic artificial religion,”

    … which allows people to continue to maintain the pretence of subscribing to a religion while allowing them to live in accordance with the “freedoms” afforded by the secular humanist religion of modern times.

    Anyway, I guess I was looking for the word, and the professor who does NOT live in the US came to my “help” ;o)

  52. Kathleen says:

    More of the same in our MSM Just listened to the Diane Rehm show. The guest brought up Iran.

    The U.S., Saudi Arabia, and the Arab Spring

    Wednesday, June 8, 2011 – 10:06 a.m.

    One of my comments at the blog for the program

    “Diane just allowed Robin Wright to infer that Iran has a nuclear weapons program. Diane did not even attempt to add anything about the newly released NIE on Iran. Nothing fact based. Diane has allowed guest to repeat and infer unsubstantiated claims about Iran. More of the same in the run up to the invasion of Iraq. This has been going on on the Diane Rehm show for 8 years. As well as on other MSM outlets. One would have assumed the host of these shows would have learned to at least challenge these unproven and endlessly repeated claims. Obviously not.

    Rachel Maddow and NPR’s Terri Gross not only allow guest to repeat these unsubstantiated claims. Both of these host repeat the claims themselves

    Dangerous and pathetic”

    I thought the show was weak. No hardball questions. Diane allowed Wright to keep setting the stage for an attack on Iran.

    Hope participants here listen to the show and share their opinions. When will Rehm have Leverett on about Iran? Seymour Hersh?

  53. Unknown Unknowns says:


    Tell the house nigger that when a field nigger calls him a house nigger, the insulting part is the adjective and not the noun.

  54. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Bare neck for women in public is against Islam. The law is an integral part of religion, without law there is no religion.

    Only in the delusions of child molesters like Frithjof Schuon and other perrennialist scumbags (including a famous Iranian professor residing in the US) is law not integral to religion.

    All Iranian athletes compete internationally conditioned on the fact that they don’t compete directly against Israelis and that hejab is maintained for the ladies. Everyone who enters sports in Iran knows this, if you don’t like it don’t enter under the Iranian flag.

    I doubt that you have any freakin clue about what the lionesses themselves think about this whole affair and you’re just projecting your own self-hatred of everything traditional and shari’ on these young ladies. Mr. fyi there is a chance that some of them would prefer not play rather then do so without proper hejab- but in your perrennialist dogmatism (UU did you get that one :-) you discount this possibility.

    No, amoo-jan shame on you!

    Besides, this little controversy is great propaganda for Iran against the mentioned house-slave rulers in some other so-called Islamic countries- especially that Hashemite disgrace in Jordan and the neanderthals ruling Saudi.

    But I agree that Kafashian has to be replaced, but not for the reasons you bring (involves the greenies…it’s a long story).

    OK now let’s get back to the fact that:

    1. Iran deterred the US from attacking it in order to get al-Qaeda leadership- contrary to the explicit statements of all senior US officials.

    2. The Bush admin did not exchange monafeq cadres for al-Qaeda leaders just to spite the Iranians. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. And as usual “the American people” have their heads firmly stuck up their asses.

  55. Liz says:

    Who is FIFA to dictate what Iranians should wear? Why should Iran comply to European standards? Instead of attacking FIFA, Iran is attacked. Who says western standards of decency are superior? These are the ideas of those who’s minds are colonized. The West has destroyed much of the world and is busy waging wars all over the region. Their moral standards are mostly garbage.

  56. fyi says:

    Unknown Unknowns & Bibijon:

    Insults and denigration of people who disagree with you is not conducive to polite conversation. Many Iranians are polite, you are not – thus betraying decorum which is an integral part of the Iranian culture; one of its many positive aspects.

    I am proud of the appelation “nigger” that you have taken care to apply to me; proud to be identified – by you – with the oppressed, the slave, the abused, the denigrated.

    Mr. Kafashain, as head of the Iranian Footbal Federation, had a duty to those athletes that he was too dishonest and cunning to carry out. The FIFA rules required a bare-neck; is a bare-neck against Islam?

    Once again, I, with metaphysical certainity stand on the Right principle. That principle is the intrinsic rights of the individual. You have, as is usual with doctrinaire men, a case of individual abuse into an ideological battle.

    Those women had earned the right – by their hard personal and individual work – to participate in international games. That Mr. Kafashian lied about what FIFA had stated – where is the approval letter from FIFA?. He misled the people to whom he bore direct responsibility.

    I know you do not care about individuals; you care about Islam in the Abstract and not the individual Muslims. But the passion, the dedication, and the hard work of these athletes were worth something; at least to them.

    No amount doctrinaire posturing is going to wash-out this, yet another splendid example of that magnificent Iranian culture which seems to be based on Lie and Deceit.

    Mr. Kafashain, that lier, should be removed from his position, no doubt.

  57. Rd. says:

    masoud says: “Does anyone have the full video of Ahmadinejad’s most recent press conference or Khameini’s most recent speech?”

    This seems to cover some parts of Ahmadinejad’s speech.


  58. Rd. says:

    “A plan for unity among Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Iraq to form a single front deserves more attention. … in addition, countries like Pakistan and Turkey can join in to increase behavioral, diplomatic and operational capacities of such a union.”


    Interesting perspective.. but, it seems Turkey, with a bit of nudge from SA is hosting the Syrian “Rebels”… Is Turkey about to do yet another volte face(ie libya) in regards to Syria? (Bhadrakumar)


  59. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Iran and Venezuela prevail against Saudi Arabia: no OPEC production quota increase.

  60. nahid says:

    BiBiJon says:
    June 8, 2011 at 6:34 am
    and uu
    thanks I am not ashamed . I am proud that I know who I am, thand a million

  61. Unknown Unknowns says:


    I don’t know quite when the Western pharisee project becomes unbearable, but I DO know when one of its minions became unbearable to me: June 8, 2011 at 12:56 am. LOL.

    Yeah, its house when the self-hating house-nigger feels shame when it is his master he should be shaming. The problem with that generation? Once a house nigger, its hard to go back into the field, even when the field niggers have all risen up in revolt and amrika hich qalati natunesteh bekoneh, to quote the late imam. Better to sit in one’s Tehrangeles shack and watch Voice of [the] America[n Traitors] and “Befarmaiin Shaam” on Manoto. Spare me, please.

  62. Iranian@Iran says:

    Great article. Thanks.

  63. BiBiJon says:

    Unknown Unknowns says:
    June 7, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Congratulations to Iran’s fine young women for causing public humiliation of FIFA; exposing western hypocrisy with notions of fairness, diversity, and tolerance; and highlighting the abject house nigger mentality of the Bahraini referee in the Hashemite nigger house.

    Special kudos must go to Mr. Kafashian and his persistence at upholding the dignity of 1.3 billion people on the planet.

    Just when does the price for trying to live a pharisee Western fantasy becomes unbearable?

    Proud, proud, proud of those lionesses, my champions.

  64. M.Ali says:

    Offtopic: I was always sick of constant reports of “twitter revolutions” whenever any protest happened in the last two years anywhere in the world, but I read it specially in the case of Iran (our dear Green Professor constantly championed it). Of course, considering that the Greens couldn’t get anything done with Twitter, Facebook, and cell phones, but in 1979, people did it all with just smuggled audio tapes from France, shows how weak the opposition is.

    Anyway, this post is just link this amusing article from Crack.com (a comedy website):


    “At the height of the 2009 “Twitter Revolution” in Iran, the number of Twitter users reportedly based in Iran was around 20,000. Consider that Iran has a population of 77 million, and that number looks a lot less impressive — it’s a minuscule 0.03 percent; less a revolution than a bake sale.

    But hell, it’s still possible to imagine 20,000 people sparking a regime change … until you realize that number is also bullshit. The vast majority of them turned out to be people from all around the world who simply changed their Twitter location to “Tehran” in a scheme to confuse the Iranian authorities, whom they apparently thought of as the least competent law enforcement agency since Police Squad. Factor that in, and estimates of the number of active Twitter users in Iran is as low as 1,000 people.”

    Of course, as a personal aside, at the height of the protests, Mousavi’s fans in Facebook was 65,000, which if you exclude the Iranian diaspora and non-Iranians, probably equals to a number usually referred to in mathematical circles as “fucking insignificient”

  65. Fiorangela says:


    zionism is a cancer that attacks and destroys America’s finest institutions

  66. Unknown Unknowns says:


    If you do not see me responding to any of your posts, it is becuase I am through with you.

  67. fyi says:

    Unknown Unknowns says: June 7, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    This Iranian culture is neither sacred nor worthy of uncritical defense. It is a culture that has, among other things, boy sodomy, honor killing, oppression of girls (just go to Tariz) among other things. The application of the concept of “betrayal” to it does not make sense.

    In regards to those attletes; I imagine that you do not have any experience with the hard work of athletics and the effort and the physical pain it takes to even get to a level that one can begin to compete internationally.

    It is the desire and fervent wish and hope of athletes all over the world to someday compete internationally. May be it is nothing to you, but that is everything to those who have practiced for years to be there.

    A doctrinaire man like yourself lionizes the public humiliation of the fine young Iranian women in an Arab country (are you listening, in an Arab country) without regard to the feelings and asipirations of those individual women athletes.

    Did pharisee Muslims ever ask the opinion of those women?

    Iranian women do not have an intrinsic right to participate in FIFA games.

    If that government of Pharisees, by Pharisees, for Pharisees in Iran deems that it is more important to uphold their Pharisee understanding of Islam than honoring their athletes; then they should not send their precious women out of Iran to compete in anything.

    Close all borders and prevent any exchange with the world outside of Iran; your precious pharisee vessel might crack.

    My ideas stand for Hope and Justice, for Sunny days and Mooon-lit skies, for Joy and Life.

  68. kooshy says:

    U.S. Policy Towards Bahrain and the Iran Factor
    by Abolghasem Bayyenat
    June 8, 2011


  69. Unknown Unknowns says:


    Thank you for your response to my request for comment on Venezuela.

    As to the pride of Iranian lionesses (get it?), the real shame is that here we have a world body that has taken it upon itselef to dictate to a given country what it deems an acceptable dress code which goes against a millenial tradition of not just Iran, but many and even most Islamic countries, and you feel humiliated that your country of cultural heritage is standing up for its right to maintain its own traditions; that you feel ashamed that the people of your culture are standing up to that power that has “nothing of positive value” to offer the world except negative inducements”.

    Your schizophrenia is unseemly. You want to have your cake and you want to eat it too – a typical purile liberal stance. At your age, and for one who professes knowledge of the religious dimensions of life, for you not to have been able to figure out that you have to chose sides in life is pitiful. YOu can’t criticize Iran and then turn around and criticize the US. You need to chose sides. And please don’t tell me your side is the side of the principles of human rights and all that liberal clap trap. That is even more pathetic.

    Stick to the culture of your country of choice, recognize that you have turned your coat, that your vision of the ecumenicism of the Abrahamic religions is nothing but a New Age syncretic artificial religion, and start to live with that. And if you cannot, then at least have the presence of mind to realize that it is a little too rich for us Iranians to hear people such as yourself who have turned their backs on the country of their birth, to criticize us. Have you no sense of shame? It really is too much, and it galls me, and I won’t stand for it.

    Ye khorde haya kon, mard-e hesabi.

    The world is not what the people of your generation thought it was, with one set of (WEstern) values holding sway. You want to turn your back on your country, you want to betray your culture and your people, fine. Go ahead. Becuase make no mistake, that is exactly what you have done. You and all those vermin that ended up in Los Angeles when Imam Khomeini pulled the flush lever. But at least recognize at this late stage that not everyone thinks the same way you do. I’m sorry, but at times, the arrogance of your turn-coat culture reaches the grotesque. Khejalat ham khub chizieh!

  70. Fara says:

    Bent Snowluff says:
    June 7, 2011 at 7:14 pm

    If US continues its support of Bahrain’s kings, and just keeps asking for ‘deceptive’ dialogues between the khalife and Bahrainis, I suspect a similar situation to that of Israel-Palestinians will be developed and will spread into the neighboring arab colonies. The Bahrainis simply want the khalife to be replaced by a representative elected government.

  71. Rehmat says:

    Alija Ali Izetbegovic along with Muhammad Ali Jinnah (Pakistan) and Imam Khomeini (Iran) were those rare Muslims who inspired and lead their nations in their pursuit of freedom from the foreign and local anti-Muslim powers during the 20th century.

    Muhmmad Ali Jinnah’s vision of Pakistan was a one-person-one-vote democracy based on Islamic Shria’h governance with equal rights for the non-Muslim communities. Imam Khomeini’s vision was atheocratic ’Islamic State’. However, Alija Izetbegovic’s visioned a multi-religious democratic state with equal rights for all religious and ethnic communities.


  72. Persian Gulf says:

    Irshad says:
    June 7, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    obviously, Iran cannot be demonized in the west more than what it is. we are at the bottom of the curve. so, I hope the news you posted is a correct one. in fact, Iran should triple that effort. Britain is deeply hated in Iranian society for credible reasons that has continued to these days. there is no sympathy whatsoever for that country inside Iran. luckily, Britain is a country in steep decline and there is no chance for it to get back. let them bark as much as they can.

  73. Bent Snowluff says:

    What on earth is this Nazi-like bastard doing visiting the US? Is Barry still taking his orders from Arab-killer Kissinger?


  74. James Canning says:


    Saddam Hussein destroyed his WMD after the Gulf War. Some was destroyed in late 1991, some later. I agree the UN sanctions hurt poor Iraqis and in particular the children of poor Iraqis. My point was simply that there was no need for an invasion of Iraq to cause the destruction of Iraqi WMD; that object had been accomplished many years earlier.

  75. James Canning says:

    Persian Gulf,

    The hundreds of stooges of the ISRAEL LOBBY in the US Congress want to help Israel to scr*w the Palestinians even harder, and they do not like Iran’s interference.

  76. Irshad says:

    James Canning,

    The UN sanctions were only effective in the wide scale murder of ordinary Iraqis NOT the regime.

    History will look at this period as the darkest hour in the role of the UN, US, UK et al. in legalising murder of normal citizens. This disease is been used by Isreal in Gaza, the axis powers against Iran and so on.

    Shame on them and let them all be damn for what they engineered.

  77. James Canning says:


    Medvedev does a very good job of promoting Russia’s economic interests, within the constraints that he must deal with. The notion a country has to have a fast-growing population to prosper is absurd. Egypt would be stronger if it had a population thirty million fewer.

  78. Irshad says:

    BBC is now reporting that Iran is selling/supplying the Taliban with sniper rifles to “murder” young British soldiers:


    The hypocrisy of it all really makes one sick!

  79. James Canning says:


    fyt c’d The US set off a vicious civil war in Iraq, and rather than accept the advice of James Baker and Lee Hamilton, to get out of Iraq by making deals with Syria and Iran, the moron in the White House poured more hundreds of billions into what? Creating a “stable ally” of Israel? I don’t think so, though many neocons still harbor hopes this can be achieved.

  80. Irshad says:

    Poor old Russia, when it doesn’t play ball with the West, they threathen it with expulsion from the G8..now its membership of BRIC is even in doubt!


    I hope Medvedev is reading all this and start having a back bone to stand up for Russias interests in the world and start developing its own economic relations instead of kow towing to USA whenever it comes to Iran.

  81. James Canning says:


    The UN sanctions were highly effective with Iraq. The trajedy is that warmongering neocons and other radical “supporters” of Israel conspired to set up an illegal war on knowingly false pretenses, because they saw a chance to take out Saddam Hussein.

  82. James Canning says:


    Even the former heads of Shinbet and Mossad are concerned Netanyahu could do something seriously stupid, to distract attention from Palestinian effort to gain recognition at the UN.

    Russia says the sanctions will not achieve what the proponents of those sanctions argued would be achieved. And of course they have been right.

  83. fyi says:

    Irshad says: June 7, 2011 at 5:07 pm

    I agree with the empirical observations of the Ambassador.

    But I do not think that the US effort will amount to much and would change the geopolitcal situation. The reason I do not think so is because other states are not interested in assisting US in waging any kind of war – hot or cold – since there is nothing in it for them.

    And US has demonstrated in eyes of the world, over the last 10 years, that she cannot win either decisively or quickly.

    Iraq was supposed to have imploded under the weight of the sanctions regime after 1991 (a form of Cold War), but she did not. And the war to finish her off has continued for 8 years. And likewise for Afghanistan.

    China and Russia would be stupid to help deter a war on Iran by US or Israel, such a war presents them with excellent tactical opportunities to advance their agenda everywhere.

  84. Irshad says:

    Iranian subs in the Red Sea…projection of hard power in a sea of instability?


    What message is this sending to the Isrealis. Americans and Saudis?

  85. Irshad says:

    @fyi, UU, Kooshy, et al.

    whats your views on this article by former ambassador MK Bhadrakumar?


    If the Americans are busy rubbing Russia up and in the process stepping on China’s toes, then what does it mean for Russia’s relations with Iran – will they break from the sanctions regimes or even agree to sell the S300 sam system?

    Further from an article fyi linked earlier, there are rumors that Nethanyahu may order an strike on Iran prior to the Palestinians going to the UN for recognition – to divert the worlds attention to Iran – would it not be in Russia’s and China’s interest to do something to deter this insanity? Might letting Iran become a full pay up member to the SCO deter this? Is this likely?

  86. Irshad says:

    Russia showing whose the real boss to the West’s decade old darling and economic power house India! –


    ‘Snub’ just a snag in Russia-India ties
    By Sudha Ramachandran

    “BANGALORE – India’s defense relations with Russia have hit a bit of rough weather with Moscow canceling two important bilateral military exercises in recent months.

    First, Russia called off joint naval exercises scheduled to be held at Vladivostok in late April. This was followed with the cancellation of the joint army exercise it was to host in June. According to an Indo-Asian News Service (IANS) report, Russia called off the naval exercises even as India’s warships – including INS Delhi, INS Ranvir and INS Ranvijay – had already reached Vladivostok for the war games.

    The explanation put out by Moscow was that Russian ships would not be available for the exercises since they were being deployed for relief operations in Japan in the wake of the earthquake and tsunami disaster. Adding insult to injury, after the cancelation of the exercises, the Russian ships sailed off into the Pacific to engage in war games on their own. As for the joint army exercises, Moscow reportedly told Delhi that its late intimation had left it with little time for preparation; hence its inability to host.

    The Indian media has interpreted the Russian move as a tit-for-tat response to India’s rejection of its bid for a US$10.4 billion sale to India of 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA). Russia’s MiG-35, Sweden’s Gripen NG fighter, and the Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornet and the Lockheed Martin F-16IN Super Viper from the United States were among those that failed to make the cut. That left Typhoon jets from the four-nation EADS Eurofighter consortium and Rafale from Dassault of France in the final round of the race for the mega-deal.

    The Indian government is playing down the media’s description of the Russian pull out from war games as a “snub”. Russia postponed rather than cancelled the exercises, it said. “There was nothing last-minute about the postponement of the naval exercise,” said Ajai Malhotra, India’s ambassador in Moscow. In view of the disaster in Japan, the Russians informed India in mid-March of the decision to postpone the exercises. “This was well over a month before that exercise was to have been held,” Malhotra said.

    The Indian navy too has said that the Russians informed them ahead of their inability to participate in the exercises. Its spokesperson Commander P V S Satish said that India sent its warships to Vladivostok only for a port call.

    Military sources dismiss the “flimsy excuses” put out by the Russians. An army officer told Asia Times Online that India-Russia military exercises are “planned months in advance” and are “are not informal or ad-hoc.” These war games are part of the Indra series of military exercises that India and Russia have been conducting since 2003, and “there have been no problems in the past”.

    The loss of “the deal of the century” would have hurt Russia, though of the three losers, Moscow is reported to have responded with the least fuss to India’s decision not to purchase its hardware. However, a report in Pravda pointed out that the lost bid for the Indian deal “virtually means that Russia’s air force will not be receiving those fighter jets [MiG-35s] either”.

    Elaborating the argument, the report said that had India purchased the Russian fighter jets, the huge contract would have enabled the manufacturer to set its price lower for the home market. That was not possible now. “Most likely, Russia will have to shelve those plans [to purchase 72 MiG-35s],” it concluded.

    Furthermore, India’s rejection of the MiG-35 is expected to weaken Russia’s chances of sales in potential markets in Latin America and the Middle East.

    A Ministry of Defense official rejected the view that the Russian move is a response to Delhi’s decision on the MMRCA deal.

    He pointed out in an interview with Asia Times Online that just as India had “some difficulties with the Russians” with regard to defense procurement, perhaps Moscow too had its “problems” with India “on other issues”. These difficulties are bound to find their reflection in “occasional snubs and spats”, he said, cautioning against giving these too much importance, especially since the relationship remains robust.

    Reports in the Indian media have often drawn attention to the time and cost overruns that plague Russian military deals with India.

    A refurbished Admiral Gorshkov (a Russian aircraft carrier now renamed INS Vikramaditya) was to be ready for induction into the Indian navy by 2008. But three years down the line the aircraft carrier is not ready yet and whether the Russians will delivery it by their new end 2012-early 2013 deadline seems doubtful. What is more, India is forking out $2.34 billion for Gorshkov’s retrofitting instead of the $974 million agreed upon in 2004.

    Similar problems have dogged the delivery of an Akula-II class nuclear-powered submarine, which Russia had promised to handover to India in 2009 on a 10-year lease, and of Talwar-class stealth frigates.

    Like the navy, the Indian Air Force and the army have complained about the delays in delivery and repair of Russian equipment and a shortage of spare parts. Russia’s sudden hiking of the cost of Sukhoi fighters and its renegotiation of the contract for supply of the Su-30s to India in 2007 did inject a perceptible chill in bilateral relations.

    On their part, the Russians feel aggrieved over India’s warming relations with the US. They point out that while India is purchasing billions of dollars of weaponry from the Americans, the Israelis and other rivals, Moscow has pointedly avoided supplying arms to Pakistan out of respect for Indian sensitivities.

    The bilateral quibbling notwithstanding, India-Russia relations are far more stable and less volatile than those between India and the other big powers. At the end of the day, India knows that Russia is its most dependable partner and the Russians are far more willing to share technology than the others. Delhi also recognizes that unlike the Russians, the Americans have little compunction about making available to Pakistan, the same military hardware it sold to India.

    And the Russians know they cannot afford to antagonize India because of the huge market it provides to its arms industry.

    Even as Russia recovers from the blow of the rejection of its bid to supply combat aircraft and as India smarts from the Russian snub over the military exercises, Moscow has shifted to top gear its campaign for multi-billion dollar deals for supplying India with light choppers, attack helicopters and heavy cargo carriers. Together the deals are pegged at being worth about $4 billion.

    According to the Russia & India Report, in an attempt to make its bids attractive, Russian Helicopters JSC is offering to assemble choppers in India before their export to third countries. Clearly, Russia is anxious to avoid a repeat of its failed bid to sell combat aircraft.”

    Its another loss of sales of Russian weapons to foreign countries, adding the loss of Libya and shooting itself in the foot (and head) by agreeing to UN sanctions forbiding the sale of weapons to Iran. Maybe they can persuade the Iranians to buy these planes…?

  87. Persian Gulf says:


    yahoooo!!! a long awaited outcome is just right on the corner.

    it surprises me that in the middle of a deep s***, Europe-U.S alliance is still barking for Iran’s sanctions.

  88. masoud says:

    Does anyone have the full video of Ahmadinejad’s most recent press conference or Khameini’s most recent speech?

  89. BiBiJon says:

    fyi says:
    June 7, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    Did you look at the pic in WaPo?

    They looked tall and proud to me, lionesses in fact.

    Perhaps you mean you felt humiliated. In which case, look deep inside see if you find why.

  90. fyi says:

    BiBiJon says: June 7, 2011 at 2:14 pm

    Congradulation for causing public humiliation of your country’s fine young women.

    Special kudos must go to Mr. Kafashian and his persistent lies to the Iranian authorities regarding the FIFA position.

    Just when does the price for trying to live a pharisee Muslim fantasy becomes unbearable?

    Shame, shame, shame.

  91. Photi says:

    to borrow from America’s revolution, ‘together we stand, divided we fall.’ If the Muslims can gain a deeper appreciation for this concept, the Muslims will lead the region to peace. Saudi Arabia, this means you.

  92. Photi says:

    *the muslim resistance; obviously the western nations have their own game and reason for resistance toward said unity

  93. Photi says:

    and just to be clear, the al-qaida type elements in the world are the resistance to such Shia-Sunni unity.

  94. Photi says:

    Castellio, in light of what James is saying most recently to JohnH., it appears to be the clerics preventing such natural alliances, not the princes (or at least not all the princes).

  95. Photi says:

    Castellio says:
    June 7, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Those four countries (including others in the region) all share an Islamic interest that would transcend all these petty little ‘who has more influence’ arguments. I don’t hold out much hope for the Saudis to get over their pettiness however.

  96. James Canning says:


    I agree the “Islamofascist” bogeyman has lost most of its traction, as a means of deceiving and duping the ignorant American public. The neocons and other warmongering elements of the fanatical “pro-Israel” lobby, seem to see the Sunni-Shia split as offering some scope for continuing deception of the ignorant American public.

    A number of senior Saudi leaders long have been concerned about the radicalism stirred up by SA clerics. And the clerics have done their best to inhibit or prevent changes to Saudi social norms, etc.

  97. James Canning says:


    In some ways, the Zionist programme promoted by the foolish US Congress is a giant scam, enriching clever insiders who create huge fortunes thanks to special rules applying to “Jews” and to “Israel” etc etc etc. This element of the equation gets almost no attention in the press etc. And yes, “Zionism” is not racism, as such, because blacks are welcome to play the game as oppressors, with whites being the oppressed. While other whites oppress other whites, in the same scheme.

  98. fyi says:

    Unknown Unknowns says: June 7, 2011 at 11:10 am

    What it means is that there are states that are willing to defy US as they percieve her as a direct threat to their interests.

    The United States, in my judgement, has ran out of positive inducements in the international arena and all she is left with is threat of pain.

    That is, she is not telling other states that if they harm Iranian interests by harming their own interests she will recompense them. She saying: “Harm your own interests and if you do not I could harm you more!”

    Recall how Ukranians reneged on the delivery of Busher turbines?

    And what did they get in the form of compensation from US?

    Exactly nothing.

    The list is a long one and in each case US Diplomacy made promises that were never fuilfilled and would never be delivered.

    Now, you can play this game for a number of years but it wears thin after half a generation (10 years) and is lost after one generation (20 years).

    US cannot hope to advance her agenda on purely negative inducement; not in Iran, not in the Middle East, and not anywhere else.

    But they will try.

  99. fyi says:

    JohnH says: June 7, 2011 at 11:22 am

    The fact is that fanning the flames of Shia-Sunni antagonism is a direct and tangible threat (of varying dgrees) to:

    Azerbaijan Republic,
    Saudi Arabia,

    These are all supposed to be US friends, and one, Turkey, is in a formal alliance structure with US.

    It is not a threat to Iran.

    Iranians are just going to sit these out, all the while making pious remarks about the need for Muslim Unity against the Christian & Jewish inspired fitna.

    If I were an Iranian leader, I would hope for such a policy from Axis powers andtheir local friends.

  100. Castellio says:

    Photi, the “KSA has natural allies in the area”?

  101. Photi says:

    James, maybe ‘racism’ isn’t the right word for it, ‘hate-ism’ (if it weren’t so awkward to spell) is more descriptive of the mentality that plays into racist policies.

    Regarding the Saudi position on Iran, they need to get off their wahabbi high-horse and make peace with the Shias.

    Egypt, Turkey, and Iran are the KSA’s natural allies in the region. If they can get over their hate then they would see how powerful it is to stand in solidarity with their brothers in faith.

    They will be nothing but poodles until they realize who their friends really are.

  102. JohnH says:

    James Canning–the Saudis role in the alliance against Iran is unclear. Certainly they have their historical enmity of everything Shi’a and of Iran. But they have to know that they are sitting on a powder keg and must keep the peace, else they’ll lose all their riches and privileges.

    What’s clear to me is that Israel, the US political class, and its propaganda megaphone (AKA the western media) are intent on exploiting everything Shi’a and Iranian to replace the Islamofascist bogeyman. The NPR piece is one example.

    As I’ve outlined, Israel sees vast benefits to exploiting the Sunni/Shi’a schism. One of the benefits is the potential for sucking up to the Saudis and bringing them into a partnership. But the Saudis may beg to differ. But you can never tell. The Saudis just open their wallets, pay the bills, and keep publicly silent about their programs. Heck, they don’t even publish statistics on how much oil they export.

  103. Unknown Unknowns says:

    fyi et al:

    Anyone care to comment on the fact that Venezuela has chosen to cut off relations with Uncle Tom – I mean, Uncle Sam – after Oh Bumma slapped sanctions on it for selling gasoline to Iran?

    Seems to me that besides being a diplomatic victory for Iran and a slap in the face of Uncle Tom, the kind of solidarity this shows could be the appearance of another fissure in the dam that is going to bring down the US hegemony house of cards.

    BUt really, I have no clue. So anyone who feels s/he is standing on firmer ground: your take would be appreciated.

  104. Fiorangela says:

    Kathleen, this is just snipey gossip.
    You’ve mentioned CAMERA and its monitoring of C Span– Notice the postings on CAMERA for May 28 and June 5.

    Both are from Boca Raton, one is from “Jeff,” the other is from “Ken.” Jeff = Ken, Ken = Jeff. JeffKen has a long history, always the same blather, frequently jumbled and incoherent but definitely hating Arabs, often mentioning Arafat and Quraish.

    Notice that May 28 and June 5 are NOT separated by 30 days. That’s a no no, CAMERA.

    Myron Kaplan does the C Span monitoring on CAMERA. Wonder if his middle name is JeffKen.

  105. Claus-Erik Hamle says:

    The real problem is that the Pentagon aims to achieve a disarming first strike capability. Trident missile engineer Bob Aldridge-www.plrc.org-resigned because it´s suicidal and wrote First Strike! The Pentagon´s Strategy For Nuclear War and Nuclear Empire (ch. 9 on anti-submarine warfare). Bob Aldridge wrote on the missiles to be deployed on ships in the Black Sea in Bulgaria and in Romania and Poland by 2015: “Whether they are on ships or land, they are still a necessary component for an unanswerable first strike”. To take out the missiles surviving a First Strike with Minuteman-3 and Trident-2. This leads to Launch On Warning by 2014. “The smoking gun”: Professor Paul Rogers: “The warheads on Minuteman-3 (which was taken from the MX) and on Trident-2 are designed to minimize nuclear winter effects when used against missile silos”. That´s not necessary if they are only in favor of MAD. Also, that Minuteman-3 and Trident-2 must have a CEP of less than 30 meters. That´s not needed to hit a city. They must be stopped or we´ll commit suicide by Launch On Warning.

  106. Unknown Unknowns says:

    WHR’s quote of the day:

    “America, like Britain before her, is now the great defender of the Status Quo. She has committed herself against revolution and radical change in the underdeveloped world because independent governments would destroy the world economic and political system, which assures the United States its disproportionate share of economic and political power. … America’s preeminent wealth depends upon keeping things in the underdeveloped world much as they are, allowing change and modernization to proceed only in a controlled, orderly, and nonthreatening way.” — Richard Barnet, Intervention and Revolution, p15

  107. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    So let’s see, what this interesting little episode shows is:

    1. Contrary to the bluster, the US was in fact deterred from military intervention in Iran to get hold of “high-value targets”- unlike other countries. Of course this has nothing to do with Iranian military power, right?

    2. The Bush admin passed on the opportunity to get its hands on al-Qaeda leadership in exchange for monafeq cadres. OK good now that we got that one straight.

    As always the lame liberals don’t know how to make a fuss about this complete dereliction of duty and instead we are talking about Weinergate. It’s really hard not to curse “the American people”.

  108. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Thank you for your kind words. I think it’s better that I limit my comments to this site and I would be glad to discuss anything with you on this site.

  109. Photi says:


    at the link will be a youtube video where the protesting Jews are saying they hate all arabs and they should be butchered. sounds pretty racist to me. I don’t know hebrew, so i cannot verify the translations.


  110. Unknown Unknowns says:


    “And that’s the real reason Seif al-Adel may become the next Osama bin Laden.”

    I disagree. In my humbling opinion,

    “the real reason Seif al-Adel [might] become the next Osama bin Laden” is becuase the kidnapped US government is addicted to violence, killing, and the blood of innocent victims which it devours by the hundreds of thousands. Seif al-Adel just happens to be at the right place at the right time, and as such, is a proximate rather than ultimate cause.

  111. Photi says:

    James, regarding our conversation the other day about racism and zionism, the zionist campaign in america would not have been as “successful” as it has been if americans weren’t predisposed toward racism generally. A-rabs are plenty ‘other’ enough to be easy prey for a twisted propaganda campaign of the zionist sort. Racism is a whole bunch of chauvinisms tied up into one, it is not just about ‘race.’

  112. Unknown Unknowns says:

    The authoritative Daily Mail of London reports:

    ‘Iran could produce a nuclear weapon within two months’ it is claimed as U.N. atomic watchdog reveals concerns.

    I had NO idea… no CLUE, no INKling!

    Oh my God!

    How can this be??

    How come I have not heard about this before??

  113. Castellio says:

    JohnH… yes.

    High but not impossible oil prices. Check for the Saudis and the American multinational oil interests and Wall Street. Good arms sales. Check for the re-armed Saudis and the American military multinationals and Wall Street. A free hand in the West Bank. Check for the Israelis and their friends in the American government, many directly linked to the oil, financial and military industrial conglomerates…

    Hey, something for all the key people.

    And if, to maintain that, a common enemy is needed… well, why let facts get in the way of a good thing?

  114. Goli says:

    Thank you for a very informative post.

  115. James Canning says:


    The Saudis do not want another war in the Gulf. They are concerned that Iran may be influencing Shia unrest, both in SA and in Bahrain. And of course they watched the US destroy the Sunni power structure in Iraq and create a vicious civil war.

    I think it is fair to say the Saudis continue to be a primary Arab force seeking resolution of the Israel/Palestine problem. Many neocons and other warmongering fanatical supporters of Israel right or wrong, try to play this down or even pretned it does not exist.

  116. James Canning says:

    I recommend Ray McGovern’s “General Keane Keen on Iran Attack”.
    Keane is a darling of warmongering neocons, and he helped convince the moron in the White House to ignore the recommendations of the Iraq Study Group and get out of Iraq. How many hundreds of billions of dollars did this stupidity cost the US taxpayers?

    Keane is either an idiot or a liar, because he argues that Iran wants an “Islamic Caliphate”. Sure, the Shia in Iran want a Sunni Caliphate!

  117. JohnH says:

    The stars have aligned. And–surprise, surprise–they’re all against Iran. The Saudis, Zionists, and Americans all have their reasons for hating “Iranians,” whether they be Arab Shi’a, Hezbollah or actual Iranians. It’s a joint effort against a “common” foe.

    Back in the GWOT days, Israel and their fellow travelers in the corporate media were eager to demonize all Muslims as Islamofascists. Israel had no strategic import to the US, and they needed to find a way to change that. With the advent of GWOT, Israel achieved its coveted “strategic partnership” with the US. Zionists fought terrorists in their Occupied Territories, the US fought them in Iraq, Afghanistan, and everywhere else.

    But demonizing all Muslims didn’t sit well with the despots of the Arabian Peninsula. And Israel wanted their support against Hezbollah. And the US wanted to shore up relations with that anti-democracy crowd, too.

    So now all evil is being painted as having its source in Iran, something that Israel, the Saudis and the US can all agree upon as a basis for their strategic alliance. When creating a mythic bogeyman, facts be damned.

  118. James Canning says:


    US bullying of Venezuela in petty effort to injure Iran, is seriously tiresome.

  119. Fara says:

    Venezuela cuts ties with US over Iran


  120. James Canning says:


    Israel engages in round-the-clock lobbying in Washington and elsewhere in the US (and around the world), to influence how the US Congress deals with a multitude of issues.
    And as others have noted, Israel has far more power in the US Congress than any state.

  121. James Canning says:


    The chances Egypt would attack Israel are zero. Nil. The Congressman is a bit delusional.

  122. Pirouz_2 says:

    Pirouz says:
    June 6, 2011 at 11:50 am

    Pirouz, I hear that the “free” and “independent” newspapers of the time used to call Dr. Mossadegh as “weeping Mossie”.

  123. James Canning says:


    The Times of London often has “pro-Israel” stories, leaders, etc., but it also carries many reports reflecting badly on Israel, that may not be found in other newspapers.

  124. James Canning says:


    Great link, and Arnaud de Borchgrave is quite right: the US cannot even pretend to be a fair interlocutor in the Israel/Palestine matter. The US Congress is under the thumb of Aipac and other radical “Israel first” organisations. And most Americans are too ignorant even to notice their national security being eroded by Aipac et al.

  125. James Canning says:

    David Brooks of the New York Times argues, in effect, in his most recent column that no solution to the Israel/Palestine problem is possible unless the government of Syria is overthrown and Hamas is crushed. So, why “get worked into a lather about who said what about the 1967 borders”? What Brooks means is, let Israel continue to grow its illegal colonies of Jews in the West Bank, and damn the consequences for the US.

  126. Unknown Unknowns says:

    My beloved Ostad Hamid Algar on Wahhabism (1:11 recent lecture at UC Berkeley; audio only):


  127. Pirouz says:


    Remember when there was no internet and cable TV? Just a metropolitan newspaper and three national TV channels? It was all one-way.

    Go to a local library and find the old microfiche collections, and look up the reporting on Mosaddegh in ’53.

    This kind of thing has been going on for as long as we’ve been reading newspapers. It used to really insult my Iranian father when he was still alive.

  128. Here is the text of a three-level headline in today’s NY Times front-page story on yesterday’s Syria/Israel border incident:


    Protests Draw Israeli Gunfire at Syria Border

    Deadly Confrontation

    Trying to Force Way In Emerges as Strategy by Palestinians


    There is a second set of headlines on the article’s “continuation” page (page A7):


    Israeli Forces Clash with Demonstrators at Border With Syria

    The Role of a Neighbor [Syria] Creates a Quandary for Israel


    What if a reader wonders whether anyone got hurt? One of the headlines includes the word “deadly,” after all. But who died? From which side? How? One can’t get answers to any of these questions from the headlines, nor from the first two paragraphs of the article. If one persists to the third paragraph, however, some answers appear: 22 Palestinian protesters were killed, and 350 were wounded. No Israeli soldiers were killed or wounded.

    That may seem like quite a few dead and wounded protesters, but the article goes on to explain that the Palestinian protesters’ “attack” and “assault” left the Israeli soldiers with no choice but to shoot, and, regrettably, 372 of those attackers got in the way of Israeli bullets.

    Certainly those Israeli soldiers must have been seriously threatened. What in the world were those protesters armed with, anyway? RPGs? Flame throwers? Machine guns? AK-47’s? Hunting rifles? Pistols? Whatever they were, those weapons must have been very powerful and frightening.

    Hard to get answers to those questions too. Nothing in the first paragraph, or the second, or anywhere else until one flips to the continuation page (page A7). Ah, there it is, in the eleventh paragraph of the article:

    The protesters were unarmed.

  129. Mossesseh says:

    Bussed-In Basiji,

    I am a big fan of your comments. Is there anyway I can contact you outside the forum? You can reach me at prof.mossesseh@gmail.com


  130. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Reply to your post in previous thread:

    Islam has its own definition of “human rights”, the rule of law is the rule of sharia, in terms of media and assembly, freedom is limited when it involves overthrowing the constitutional order. In other words don’t assume that everyone agrees with your assumptions about what is good or bad, right or wrong, moral and immoral. Like I said your mistake is that you think everyone who doesn’t think like you has no moral arguments.

    Also I don’t think there is a country where the replacement of leaders is as transparent as in Iran. Of course secular westoxicated “anti-fascists” need not apply, sorry Karim-jan.

    Also I don’t care about America and how good or bad it is so no need to bring that up, even if others did.

    Also in your conspiracy theory list of ruling families where does Ahmadinejad fit in? Where does joint chief commander Firouzabadi fit in, where does Sepah commander Jafari fit in, where do the various ministers and dept ministers and thousands of others fit in who have no family connections but were able reach places of responsibility because of their skills?

    Remember your right to be involved is proportioned to the level to which you have sacrificed, and yes some like the Hashemi clan tried to get back to the bad old days family rule. But hey, we kicked Hashemi in the mouth and his son has joined the London exile community. Unfortunately for you and your type, there a few million people ahead of you in line who actually did something for this country during the revolution, war and rebuilding, before it will be your turn. Like I said, chances are you will die before it’s your turn my dear brother. You made the wrong call in 1979-80 and you have to live with the consequences.

    You sound like an old frustrated lefty who doesn’t understand that the deep social changes that have occurred in Iran in the last 30 years had nothing to do with the analyses of western and eastern philosophers but the courage of ordinary religious people who threw arrogant elites out of the country and who took responsibility for their own destiny. I know that must have hurt, but after all these years it’s time to face facts.

    In your limited worldview, states are either “free” or “fascist”. The beauty of the Islamic Republic is that it does not fit neatly into any of your tired old categories.

    “If you are denying this then you are either completely uninformed or you are an agent of the regime.”

    You know, sentences like this just make sound like a stupid hack, because it could be that I’m well informed and not “an agent”. If by “agent” you mean somebody who supports the IRI and has done so through his actions over the years, then OK I’m a freakin agent, happy? If you mean that I’m in the employment of the government as a security or police officer, then no. But maybe you are an agent of the Americans, or judging by your tired old rhetoric maybe your a monafeq whose ass we kicked out many years ago. Fair enough Karim-jan?

    My suggestion to you is that before you give opinions you loosen some of those default settings in your thoroughly washed and rinsed brain and then remember that when you exile types fly in for a few weeks and start asking questions in factories and mosques and other places, most Iranians will give you the answer they think you want to hear- especially in Shiraz! If you would like we can go visit my great aunt in Shiraz who offered three sons as martyrs during the war and see how she and my other relatives in Shiraz feel about Islam, the Islamic Republic and the Supreme Leader. On second thought why would I want to bother her with people like you.

    Anyway, enjoy your occasional trips back to the old country but don’t think that makes you an expert, even though you apparently have some “unique skills”.

  131. Fara says:

    Any thought on this?

    Alex Jones [Texas]: I want the people in Israel, I want the Palestinians to live in peace, but the problem is that I do want to caution folks after watching across the Middle East, North Africa, Central Asia and worldwide, there is prove that the state Department, the CIA and others, including the Israelis, are involved in Libya, are involved in other areas like Egypt with those overthrows or attempted overthrows and so they knew that the revolve was on and people were angry because of food prices come up these days, so they decided to trigger this now to try to steer these revolutions. And if there are uprisings against Israel, if Israel does get attacked, let’s say by Egypt– who started to make some of those noises– Israel is going to use its weapons, its nuclear weapons perhaps, attack Iran and others and use that as an excuse to expand its security zone. So this is a trap being set up and the orchestration of what could lead world war III. Same thing is being done in Pakistan with the attempted out of CIA and al-Qaeda groups that work for Western intelligence are attempting to start a war there. They want to start world war III. When you see the CIA and MI6 and Mossad and Shin Bet and others involved in some of these Arab revolutions, they are not just trying to steer them, they have started somewhere this and triggered some of it, not saying that people don’t have the legitimate right to revolt. It’s that there is a larger order of the chaos, geopolitical stratagem here and people better be very, very careful, because Israel wants to use those 200 nuclear weapons and they believe that they are going to be able to usher this world war III scenario and be the last group standing. So folks it’s better be careful right now.


  132. Fara says:

    British papers trying to affect the upcoming elections in Turkey. See response from Erdoan below.

    “An editorial column “One for the opposition” published on June 2 in the latest edition of The Economist has set off quite a controversy in Turkey after the magazine called on Turkish voters to cast their ballots for the opposition Republican People’s Party (CHP) instead of Erdogan’s ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) in the elections set for June.

    Erdogan said during a speech at a TV program broadcasted late Saturday that such calls made by international press organs made him think that these institutions might be in cooperation with certain national circles,” Xinhua news agency reported.

    “Several international press organs, which get support from Israel, are unhappy with AKP’s administration and are searching ways to ruin this ruling,” added the Turkish prime minister, who denounced the controversial report as “extremely inappropriate.””

    more here http://www.presstv.ir/detail/183362.html

  133. PB says:

    This sort of ANTI-IRAN news pieces coming out of NPR should be a surprise. It’s FRONTLINE programming sponsors a State Department backed webpage that is dedicated to explain the administration’s spin on what is going on in Iran, in an attempt to obtain support for its policies. FRONTLINE only has webpage dedicated to Iran, despite the fact that we witnessed what transpired in Egypt and the massive human rights violations occurring in Bahrain that makes Syria look like a democracy. This is clearly in line with the policies of the administration which only has Iran and Syria in its vision.
    There has been no explanation by NPR or Frontline as to why they would sponsor an anti-Iran webpage and only one webpage dedicated to one nation on the radar of the administration. One that has very limited readership. The webpage has 6 to 8 “reader” whose job is no different to the “chomaghbedastan” or the early versions of the Basij, who attack any reader that disagrees with the “official” storyline. There are no explanation as to how the writers came together, where they get their financial backing, and exactly why they were chosen to run the webpage FRONTLINE is now sponsoring.
    It is also important to ask ourselves if NPR is the same organization it was 20 years ago? It is important to ask if the “newshour” is the same program America trusted for its news 20 years ago? Is there a fundamental difference in the news line or reality the NPR presents and any other major news programming including Fox?

  134. Persian Gulf says:

    Rehmat says:
    June 5, 2011 at 7:55 pm

    which one, in your view, is the representative of which? and in what sense?

    that’s really insane by any means.

  135. fyi says:


    The reminds of Mr. Hekmatyar.

    I think Iranians forced Mr. Hekmatyar to decamp from Iran, probably under US pressure.

    Mr. Hekmatyar has been at large since 2002, leading one of the factions fighting the Axis Powers in Afgnaistan.

    It would have saved Americans and Europeans a lot of trouble had Mr. Hekmatyar remained in Iran, where Iranian Inetlligence had him under observation.

    Iranians most likely released all these undesirable elements to cause mischief; why help the Axis Powers in their wars?

  136. Persian Gulf says:

    وَمَن يَقْتُلْ مُؤْمِنًا مُّتَعَمِّدًا فَجَزَآؤُهُ جَهَنَّمُ خَالِدًا فِيهَا وَغَضِبَ اللّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَلَعَنَهُ وَأَعَدَّ لَهُ عَذَابًا عَظِيمًا

    نساء –93

    مِنْ أَجْلِ ذَلِكَ كَتَبْنَا عَلَى بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ أَنَّهُ مَن قَتَلَ نَفْسًا بِغَيْرِ نَفْسٍ أَوْ فَسَادٍ فِي الأَرْضِ فَكَأَنَّمَا قَتَلَ النَّاسَ جَمِيعًا…


    رسول اکرم (ص)-قتل المؤمن اعظم عندالله من زوال الدنیا

    کنز العمال–39880

  137. Rehmat says:

    Persian Gulf – The difference between Marve Al-Sharbini and Haleh Sahabi is almost as the difference between Zionism and Judaism.

    You know what I mean, don’t you!

  138. Rehmat says:

    The Britian’s Israeli propaganda outlet, Times Online, on December 23, 2009 had repeated the old story of some family members of Osama Bin Laden being living in Tehran. The Time Online has also chosen Neda Agha-Soltan over Barack Obama and Benjamin Netanyahu, as the Person of Year for 2009. She was murdered by western backers of Iranian protest rallies against the re-election of Dr. Ahmadinejad as President of Islamic Republic of Iran. The Workers World editorial Who killed Neda Agha-Soltan? named the US and British intelligence agencies behind the murder of Neda……


  139. Persian Gulf says:

    sarkar khanome Liz, and Prof. BiB,

    Could you please tell us what is the difference between Marve Al-Sharbini and Haleh Sahabi?

    I am sure you know that Haleh was a devoted Shie Muslim. used to practice religion, hejab … strictly,….

    يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ كُونُواْ قَوَّامِينَ لِلّهِ شُهَدَاء بِالْقِسْطِ وَلاَ يَجْرِمَنَّكُمْ شَنَآنُ قَوْمٍ عَلَى أَلاَّ تَعْدِلُواْ اعْدِلُواْ هُوَ أَقْرَبُ لِلتَّقْوَى وَاتَّقُواْ اللّهَ إِنَّ اللّهَ خَبِيرٌ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ

    المائدة -8

    جالبه که یکسری که داشتن برای مروه خودشون رو جر می دادند نه تنها خفه شدن برای هاله سحابی بلکه دارند تمام تلاششون رو می کنند که قضیه رو عوض کنند. عوضی هایی مثل احمد توکلی که ظاهرا راجع به این مسئله به این مهمی لال مونی گرفتند.

    it’s more than a shame. I am speechless.

  140. BiBiJon says:

    Iran’s love of al-Qaida is not exactly reciprocated.

    “In the one-hand-half-hour video, al-Zawahiri [Osama’s deputy] said that the Muslim Umma was facing a military, ideological and media crusade by the Iranian “coalition”, which had given way to the US, by letting them invade Afghanistan and Iraq.”

    From http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/09/200898124913695268.html

    Sorry, but this goes beyond poor quality. MSM treatment of certain subjects is indistinguishable in “quality” from what passes for ‘news’ in North Korea.

  141. Pirouz says:

    Great post.

    I had assumed the reason persons such as Saif al-Adel were not turned over by Iran was based on the US branding it as part of the “Axis of Evil.”

    Here you have included the backdrop and details from the Iranian diplomatic perspective.

    Have to say, Leverrets: without your perspectives, we’d be in the dark over such matters. Thanks.

  142. James Canning says:

    It is more accurate to say that Washington was swept up in the imperial prestensions fostered by idiot warmongering neocons who thought they had their opening to cut off Iranian support for the Palestinian national resistance to Israeli oppression. And many neocons thought they saw the way forward to forcing Syria into allowing Israel to keep the Golan Heights.

  143. James Canning says:

    I was going to say it was incredibly stupid for the Bush administration not to interview the al-Qaeda operatives in Iran. But, sadly, it was all-too-credible, this utter imbecility (if one is kind).

  144. Rehmat says:

    “Al-Qaeda itself doesn’t exist, except in the fevered imagination of neocon and Likudnicks (Israeli Jew facists), some of whom, I suspect, it’s a myth, but find it exremely useful as a bogeyman to spook the public and the politicians to acquiesce in otherwise unacceptable policy initiatives at home and abroad….. R. T. Naylor, June 21, 2003.

    “The myth of Al-Qaeda is built on a expansive foundations of many half-truths and hidden facts. It is a CIA creation. It was shaped by the agency to serve as a substitute ‘enemy’ for America, replacing the Soviets whom the Islamist forces had driven from Afghanistan. Unknown American officials, at an indeterminate point in time, made the decision to fabricate the tale of mythical world-wide network of Islamist terrorists from the exploits of Afghan Mujahideen. The CIA already had their network of Islamic militants ‘freedom-fighters’, all that needed was a few scatered terrorist attacks against US targets and a credible heroic figurehead, to serve as the ‘great leader’….. Peter Chamberlin, January 5, 2010.

    Interesting, what the western mainstream media is affraid to report is that most of thes Al-Qaeda cell have been working for Israeli Mossad. Foe example, in 2000 Yemeni government accused Israel Al-Qaeda behind the bombing of USS Cole. In 2002, PA captured a Al-Qaeda cell working for Mossad. The Adam Yahiye Gadahan, who have been representing Al-Qaeda tape – is a Mossad agent. Mumbai terrorist attacks in 2008 were also engineered by Mossad with the help of CIA and RAW. The latest one is the Nigerian underwear terrorist and the Green Revolution protests in Iran………


  145. James Canning says:

    Bravo. And how interesting, the “blow-back” or negative repercussions from Egypt’s failure to have diplomatic relations with Iran.