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Leveretts on CNN.com: “Iranian ‘Plots’ and American Hubris”

Yesterday, we published a piece “Iranian ‘Plots’ and American Hubris,” on CNN.com, see here; it is also pasted below.  Also, Flynt was interviewed on Ian Masters’ Background Briefing, listen here.  Besides our work, we want to highlight two additional pieces that we think represent important contributions to public discussion of the Obama Administration’s accusations of Iranian government involvement in a plot to kill the Saudi Ambassador in Washington.  One, see here, is by Jeffrey Toobin, a Harvard trained lawyer (like our own Hillary and Eric Brill) who is CNN’s legal correspondent; it provides an astute analysis of legal issues (under U.S. law) raised by the Justice Department’s complaint against Mansoor Ababsiar.  The other, by Glenn Greenwald, see here, looks at the utter implausibility of the Obama Administration’s claims; even more importantly, it looks at the supine (one is tempted to say craven) eagerness of Iraq-war champion Ken Pollack and his recent co-author Ray Takeyh to echo the Administration’s line.

Iranian “Plots” and American Hubris

By Flynt Leverett and Hillary Mann Leverett

Calls by Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary Hillary Clinton to “unite the world in the isolation of and dealing with the Iranians,” in response to an alleged Iranian plot to kill Saudi Arabia’s Ambassador in Washington, reflect a hubristic misapprehension of reality.

The Obama Administration mistakenly believes it can exploit the accusations for strategic advantage. In fact, they are likely to play to Iran’s advantage, not America’s.

The U.S. foreign policy community profoundly misunderstands the Islamic Republic’s national security strategy. The Islamic Republic seeks to defend itself not primarily by conventional military power, in which it is deficient, but by forging ties to proxy allies around the region-actors with the ability to affect on-the-ground outcomes in key regional settings who are inclined to cooperate with Tehran.

In some cases, these actors are discrete political movements, often with paramilitary capabilities, for example, Hezbollah in Lebanon and Shia political parties-cum-militias in Iraq.

In other situations, Tehran sees public opinion as its chief ally. By contrasting some regimes’ cooperation with the United States and Israel with its own posture of “resistance” to American and Israeli ambitions to regional hegemony, Tehran cultivates “soft power” across the Middle East.

Iran conceives its strategy, especially in a period of relative decline in America’s standing, as one that constrains unfriendly regimes in the short term and undermines them in the longer term. Over the last decade, it has helped the Islamic Republic reap significant political and strategic gains in important theaters across the Middle East-Iraq, Lebanon, the Palestinian territories.

With the advent of the Arab awakening at the end of last year, Iranian decision-makers are confident that some Arab states’ shift toward governments more reflective of their peoples’ attitudes and concerns-and, hence, more inclined to pursue more independent foreign policies vis-à-vis the United States and Israel-will work to Iran’s advantage.

Iranian policymakers correctly calculated that virtually any successor to Saddam Hussein ‘s regime in Iraq would be a net positive for Iranian interests. Now, they calculate that a successor to the Mubarak regime in Egypt is bound to be less enthusiastic about strategic cooperation with the United States and Israel and more receptive to Iran’s message of resistance.

Iran’s strategy toward Saudi Arabia runs very much along these lines. Tehran’s approach is to highlight Saudi collusion with Washington and (at least indirectly) with Israel on important regional issues, thereby attracting support from ordinary Saudis-not just Saudi Shia but also Sunnis who dislike their government’s pro-American stance.

In the short term, Iran seeks to constrain the Saudi government from cooperating in military strikes or other coercive actions against it by making this an unpopular prospect for much of the Saudi population.

In the longer term, Iran is working to transform the regional balance of power from one in which the United States, the Saudis, and other American allies dominate to one in which American, Israeli, and Saudi influence is marginalized by the diplomatic realignment of Lebanon, the Palestinian territories, Turkey, post-Saddam Iraq, and now Egypt.

The Saudi leadership tries to push back by portraying Iran as an “alien”, Shia/Persian element in its environment. At times, this helps the Kingdom hold the line against the Islamic Republic’s soft power offensive. But the long-term trend is toward rising Iranian influence. In this context, the notion of an Iranian government plot to assassinate the Saudi Ambassador to the United States simply has no logic.

History also suggests we treat the Obama Administration’s claims of Iranian government complicity with deep skepticism.

For eight years, during 1980-1988, the fledgling Islamic Republic had to defend itself against a war of aggression launched by Saddam Hussein — a war of aggression financed primarily by Saudi Arabia. Nearly 300,000 Iranians were killed in that war. But, during the entire conflict, the Iranian government never targeted a single Saudi anywhere in the world.

This is not because the Islamic Republic loves the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. It is because Iran’s national security strategy ultimately depends on appealing to the Saudi public not to support attacks against Iran, by harnessing popular anger over Israeli actions and U.S. overreach in the war on terror.

Killing a Saudi Ambassador would have exactly the opposite effect. Whatever Mansour Ababsiar and his cousin may have talked about, it is wholly implausible that the Iranian leadership decided that this was a smart thing to do.

The Obama Administration’s calls for more concerted action against Iran will ultimately backfire-because they will be seen in most of the Muslim world (outside Saudi Arabia and Gulf Arab monarchies closely linked to Saudi Arabia) as the United States yet again leveling dubious life-and-death charges as the pretext to contain or even eliminate another Muslim power.

President Obama, his advisers, and all Americans need to ask themselves if this is really the time to bring the United States even closer to another Middle East war fought in blind defiance of the region’s strategic realities.

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397 Responses to “Leveretts on CNN.com: “Iranian ‘Plots’ and American Hubris””

  1. Thank you, I’ve recently been searching for info about this subject for a long time and yours is the best I have came upon so far. But, what about the bottom line? Are you sure in regards to the source?

  2. Castellio says:

    Wilbur… your comment that the Palestinians want “to bake the cake and have it all for themselves” is obscene, given their history of suppression and disenfranchisement over the last hundred years.

  3. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Yes, a good number of Israelis either are afraid of an independent Palestine, or pretend to be afraid. And they think that their numerous stooges in the US Congress will enable Israel to continue to scr*w the Palestinians.

  4. James Canning says:

    Wilbur,

    All Arab countries have agreed to accept Israel within “1967″ borders. And they accept, privately, that very few Palestinians will be able to “return” to Israel within pre-1967 borders. Fools and stooges of Israel lobby in US Congress think Issrael can do better.

  5. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    US Congress wants whatever Netanyahu wants. Which is a Palestinian municipal gov’t in charge of some parks, garbage collection, police. But with hundreds of colonies of Jews in strategic locations, contrary to international law.

    But US is not the dictator of the world, and most countries want independent Palestine with 1967 borders. And scr*w the US Congress on this issue.

  6. fyi says:

    James Canning says: October 19, 2011 at 5:15 pm

    Israelis do not want any Palestinian state.

    Nor does US Congress.

  7. wilbur says:

    Fyi,

    Well said my friend!! Actually my comment intimating wholesale regime change was mor of a tongue and cheek comment. For better or wosre the US and Iran are what they are as a product of the people. Wholesale change in either scenrio would lead to chaos as we have seen with the misguided attempts of the US to export Western liberal democracy to the Islamic world seemingly oblivious of the Islamic considerations that need to be taken into account. As for peace process I also agree it is a fantasy at this point. On both sides neither are truly wanting peace simply because the both refuse to deal with the core issues in any kind of substanative manner. Those issues are right of return, recognition of Palestinian/Jewish rights to the land, and the all important notion of both sides accepting a permanent peace. Right now both want to bake the cake and have it all for themselves.

    All the best to you.

  8. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Most Palestinians living in Palestine would accept the 2002 Saudi peace plan. Fools in Washington think Israel can do better than that, and put everything at risk.

  9. James Canning says:

    Patrick Foy has some interesting comments on the so-called “plot”. and he notes that Eric Holder was a key player in the pardoning of Marc Rich at the end of the Clinton presidency. Isn’t Rich working for Mossad from time to time?

  10. fyi says:

    Wilbur says: October 19, 2011 at 12:16 am

    I do not share your enthusiasm for regime change in Iran.

    Nor in DC.

    In both countries, the governments are reflections of the populace.

    But clearly, in the United States, with a much wider margin of error than Iran, more foolishness can be entertained and indulged in with impunity.

    One of the fantasies of US population is Peace in Palestine in terms that could be acceptable to Palestinians, Israelis, Arabs, Muslims, and Jews. That such a Peace is impossible in not something that they can accept.

    Likewise, in Iran, liberation of Palestine is a pipe-dream that lies decades, if not centuries, in the future.

    And then we have US Exceptionalism (a Northern US Fantasy Notion) and the Iranian Fantasy of “Islamic Just Society”.

    Statesmen cannot indulage in Fantasies; populations could.

    But once you give the franchise to every fool with his peculiar notions then all hell will break loose.

  11. Humanist says:

    Phillip Giraldi’s great audio piece on Iranian Plot:

    http://antiwar.com/radio/2011/10/18/philip-giraldi-52/

  12. James Canning says:

    The demonstrators on Wall Street should also be demanding that Israeli troops and police get out of the West Bank. And that Israel should stop f*cking the American taxpayers.

  13. James Canning says:

    Rehmat,

    I would call Pollack a moron, but in fact he is an intelligent propagandist for dangerous neocons promoting endless war in the Middle East, to “protect” Israel. No matter how many trillions of dollars are squandered on the programme.

  14. James Canning says:

    Rehmat,

    Yes, the idiot Kenneth Pollack would benefit from talking to some of the Wall Street protesters. Delusional military adventures in the greater Middle East have cost trillions of dollars. And, of course, the literally criminal conspiracy to set up the illegal invasion of Iraq was based in the Pentagon’s Office of Special Plans – - run almost entirely by Jewish neocons who believed it was morally correct to plant false stories in the media to deceive the American public.

  15. Rehmat says:

    “In an interview on Spiegel.de today, Kenneth Pollack argues that a weakened US economy may have prompted Iran to proceed with the “plot” to kill the SA ambassador.”

    If the idiot had talked to the protesters at the Occupy Wall Street – they would have told Pollack that US was bankrupted even before Obama entered the White House. This is one of several reasons Obama has been advised by many senior military and finacial experts that Obama’s future wars in Iran or Pakistan for Israel will be suicidal.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/08/07/us-cannot-defeat-iran-without-nuclear-attack/

  16. James Canning says:

    Interesting comments by Ralph Schoenman on PressTV today (“Entire US anti-Iran plot, fabricated”):

    http://www.presstv.com/detail/205493.html

  17. Flynt on Antiwar Radio on how Obama botched the Iran fuel swap:

    Scott Horton Interviews Flynt Leverett
    :http://antiwar.com/radio/2011/10/18/flynt-leverett-4/

    MP3 here: :http://dissentradio.com/radio/11_10_18_leverett.mp3

  18. James Canning says:

    Unknown Unknowns,

    I think you should look more closely at what happened in Libya. There, the intervention was opposed by the US military but strongly supported by American neocons, who appear to have worked through friends in the defence ministry of the UK to promote British support for the intervention Sarkozy wanted to carry out. Without Britain and France wanting to go ahead with the intervention, it is unlikely the US would have done so.

  19. James Canning says:

    Fara,

    Thanks for the link (Ahmadinejad’s interview with Tony Harris of al-Jazeera). The Iranian president asked: “Why should the Iranian people go inside the US and kill the ambassador of a friendly country?” Too bad he can’t ask Obama that question.

  20. Photi says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRIxSKqBv1U&feature=player_embedded#!

    “Plot” debate on Crosstalk between Professor Marandi, an Israeli journalist, and Matthew Duss from the Center for American Progress.

  21. James Canning says:

    Kenneth Pollack told Spiegel it was “absolute nonsense” that Obama wanted to use the so-called “plot” for domestic political reasons. To the contrary, this seems to have been a very large factor.

  22. James Canning says:

    BiBiJon,

    Consider whether the scheme orignated with fanatical supporters of a “Greater Israel”, in the US and elsewhere. To deflect attention from latest idiotic expansion of illegal Jewish colonies in the West Bank.

  23. James Canning says:

    BiBiJon,

    Does Friedman actually argue it does not matter who the culprits were, in Iran? Incredible.

  24. James Canning says:

    Omid,

    Yes, it does seem clear that the insane scheme for a Greater Israel played a significant role in the entire matter. And grossly ignorant American public does not even seem to want to know what happened, and why.

  25. James Canning says:

    In an interview on Spiegel.de today, Kenneth Pollack argues that a weakened US economy may have prompted Iran to proceed with the “plot” to kill the SA ambassador. Amazing.

  26. BiBiJon says:

    Unknown Unknowns says:
    October 19, 2011 at 11:13 am

    “But for a minute there I wondered if that was you speaking or if you were channeling Richard!”

    Dear UU, while I’ve always agreed with RHS that there are powerful interests that crave war, I’ve disagreed with him on necessarily getting what one WANTS.

    No, speaking for myself (and not claiming to be original) I’m detecting a shedding of fig leaves. Obama, seems to regard his predecessors actions as way too modestly dressed. In both domestic and international affairs he is signalling the executive branch will do as it feels like.

    I just wonder what was wrong with an incy wincy fig leaf once in while?

  27. Unknown Unknowns says:

    BiBiJon says

    “Pres. Obama is telling the world that the affairs of the state has a dynamic of its own; the timing and the nature of the action no longer needs to be pegged to a remotely defensible excuse. While many have suspected this, only Obama has taken it to the current level — not only there is no need for an elaborate false-flag operations to justify overt acts of hostility, indeed the opposite: the US must be seen (and feared) as a hegemonic power who regards even a false-flag operation as detracting from her aura of complete freedom of action wherever, and whenever she chooses. That is the message.”

    *

    Very eloquently put, and I fear that you might be right. The hegemon will do what the hegemon wants, and the person best suited to sell that to the sheeple is who will get the funding for their “election” campaigns. But for a minute there I wondered if that was you speaking or if you were channeling Richard!

    And with Photi’s latest post, it seems that the presstitutes are peddling the logic of ‘national security’ as excuse for withholding evidence in trials of the citizenry to (the absence of) trials for nation-states! The sheer arrogance is (almost) beyond belief.

  28. Photi says:

    The REAL evidence is too sensitive to share:

    “The US knows it has a credibility problem, one State Department official says. But the official, who has had access to the evidence but who insisted on anonymity because he is not authorized to discuss any aspect of it, says intelligence officials are adamant that revealing more of their information – or sharing more widely what has already been laid out to small circles of domestic officials and foreign diplomats – risks compromising sources.”

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Foreign-Policy/2011/1017/Why-US-won-t-fully-answer-skeptics-of-Iran-assassination-plot

  29. Omid says:

    Israel using her zionist stooges in Washington to wage another war for “Greater Israel”. Americans are so ignorant that do not know what is going on and are fooled by fabricated ‘terror plot’ manufactured by zionists war mongers and executed by zionist servants in Washington.

    Greater Israel – or Peace?

    http://www.theamericanconservative.com/blog/greater-israel-or-peace/

  30. BiBiJon says:

    George Friedman:

    “How serious the plot was, who authorized it in Iran, and so on is not important.”
    =============================================================================
    h/t FYI @ October 18, 2011 at 12:53 pm

    The hokiest of the hokeys, the unlikeliest of the unlikelies has been brought forth forcefully by the Obama administration. And, there is a message relevant to the affairs of a state.

    The Gulf of Tonkin incident, The sinking of the USS Maine, Babies flung out of Kuwaiti incubators, etc. now appear far more plausible than the assassination plot that has become the rallying cry of USG and her co-travelers in the West.

    Pres. Obama is telling the world that the affairs of the state has a dynamic of its own; the timing and the nature of the action no longer needs to be pegged to a remotely defensible excuse. While many have suspected this, only Obama has taken it to the current level — not only there is no need for an elaborate false-flag operations to justify overt acts of hostility, indeed the opposite: the US must be seen (and feared) as a hegemonic power who regards even a false-flag operation as detracting from her aura of complete freedom of action wherever, and whenever she chooses. That is the message.

    In this (admittedly hyper-negative) light, moral arguments are out of place. It is only the perceived interests of a state that matters.

    The question for the board is:

    At this juncture in history, why does an undisputed lone super-power feel the need to dispense even with the niceties of a semi-decent false-flag operation?

  31. Pirouz says:

    MEK was my initial hunch.

    Let’s see what evidence for such is made public. Like I noted earlier, Iran’s investigative agencies no doubt were pit in scramble mode last week. But the newest Iranian contention points to Interpol.

  32. Manfred says:

    The fact that many countries/armies have ended or about to end their occupation with Libyan war and the fact that the same thing going on in Afghanistan and also in Iraq does also imply an attack on Iran in the near future. Because when the troops, or the majority, is out of Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, the aim will be Iran.

  33. Scott Lucas says:

    UU,

    I have never been away — I would miss the daily amusement….

    Big hugs back at ya,

    S.

  34. Omid says:

    Interpol new evidence shows number two suspect in plot case is a Washington backed Mojahedin Khalq (MEK, MKO, Rajavi cult) member

    .
    http://iran-interlink.org/?mod=view&id=10928

  35. Omid says:

    Re: the Ahmadinejad interview:

    Tony Harris is a zionist puppet and a phony interviewer . He is asking stupid questions to strengthen Obama’s position in order to be selected again by the same zionist war mongers. Obama is hated by the people of the region. According to David Rhodes, a NY Times journalist who was a captive in Afghanistan for two years, said: people of Afghanistan spit at the photo of US president because they hate US occupation. Thus, someone like Obama who has less than 4% popularity in the region feels he has to fabricate another stupid plot to help his own re-selection by the Zionist masters.

    Tony Harris is a petty man when insisted having an answer for the fabricated plot by US/Israel. Ahmadinejad should have told him: DON’T YOU REMEBER BUSH AND THE NEOCONS who lied about WMD in Iraq to wage a war? The US president told the world that SADDAM HAS WMD. Saddam insisted that I don’t have one, but if you insist, then you should give us enough time to make one and give it to you.

    They sent agents from the UN, US brothel house, to ‘find’ WMD, but they found NONE. The agents claimed that Saddam does not give us all the ‘information’ we need to find WMD, the same accusation made against Iran. Has Tony Harris forgotten this LIE where made by the US president and delivered by a person from the house of Negro, Collin Power, to wage a Zionist war to help “greater Israel”? Later Collin Powell claimed that he was deceived. When a 15 year old knew they were lying, I cannot accept that Powell did not know. If he could not tell that it was a lie, then why he was made secretary of state?

    Tony Harris repeated his stupid allegations over and over.
    Obama cannot help himself with more lies and deceptions. He cannot improve his low ‘Popularity’ with more killings and destruction. Obama has already killed thousands of innocent people. It is the time that Obama to be forced out. He HAS NO CREDIBILITY.

  36. Wilbur says:

    Fiorangela,

    You said: “do tell what “true democracy” is.
    Don’t leave out the bits about lying, drone attacks, spying, covert operations, attempts to cause entire nations to starve to death, destruction of the economic viability of other nations.

    The Forum awaits with eager anticipation.”
    ———————————————————————————–

    I can certaintly understand your retort but I think you mistake my purpose. My question’s frame of reference was based on a comparision of citizen to citizen in each country as it pertains to democracy. Having said that I do fully recognize the US has partaken in all the dirty deeds you listed(the exception starving off a nation–please cite an example) but one can also make a case for Iran having a long list of their own dirtty deeds. Now to get you thinking about this I am going to field a couple of questions for you:

    1) Is the US more democratic than Iran or is it the other way around?
    2) If you had only two choices for a country to spend the rest of your life in and it was either Iran or Israel which would you choose?

    I would encourage you to ponder these for awhile. Take into account the notions of free press, free speech, freedom of religion, due process of the law, freedom of assembly, elected representative government, and economic freedom when pondering these notions that are all cornerstones of liberal democracy. As you rightly noted, yes, foreign policy should also be taken into account. Now one last question:

    - What do you think Iran would do if it held the unipolar economic/international/military power of the US?

    When considering the last question remember Khoemeini said “We shall export our revolution to the whole world. Until the cry “There is no God but God” resounds over the whole world, there will be struggle.” Khoemeini was being a good Muslim knowing full well his scripture/religion mandates this. Not to mention Islam is also the only world religion that has a doctrine for war. This war can even be offensive in nature to spread faith when possible(note: you don’t see it today because they simply lack the means–read up on the Ottamans for an example of an Islamic power at war almost every year of its existence to spread faith.)

    My hope is that these questions will get you objectively comparing and contrasting. Once you do that, and if you believe in western liberal democracy, I think you will find the questions are actually rhetorical in nature.

    Thx
    Bill

  37. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Re: the Ahmadinejad interview:

    I thought it was indeed a great interview. The interviewer asked predictable questions, but he was respectful and didn’t interrupt like some of those rabid Zionist lackeys.

    If I was in a position of authority in Iran, I would have the transcript properly translated. The fellow doing the simultaneous translation suffered from both the restraint of instantaneity and the fact that he is not a native English speaker; other than that, he did OK. But I would have the text properly translated, then pay a professional actor such as Sean Penn or Charlie Sheen do the voice-over, and then release it on YouTube, taking full-page ads in the ?ew York Times to draw attention to it. This would be a much better use of resources than much of the English section of the Khamenei.ir site, with due respect. And of course I would point people to RFI at the end of the video :o)

  38. Wilbur says:

    fyi,

    While I didn’t mention it I did think about the Iranians being clever enough to manufacture an “abusrd story” to set the US up as you wisely noted. The whole “scientist kidnapping” scenario was an obvious attempt to do this indicating the regime has tried to do it before. However this one is still way to sloppy–but hey who knows maybe they figured the bigger the lie the more likely the US would take the bait. What a world we live in–people dying/starving/involed in war while our governments play “chess” with us oblivious to all??!! If we could only jetison the muppets in DC and the regime in Tehran off to mars!!!

    Thx
    Bill

  39. Wilbur says:

    James Canning,

    Regarding funneling money from Iran I agree that the Regime would never sanction something like this. Doesn’t fit their MO and more importantly their plan. The quesion remains what will the money trail lead to? Could it be someone going rogue thinking he was going to make a name for himself? I just find it hard to believe that either side cooked this up. I believe the most plausible answer is someone going rogue on the Iranian side–or maybe someone on the US side. Who knows?

    Thx
    Bill

  40. masoud says:

    Scott Lucas should be banned from posting here until he reinstates Reza Esfandiari on his own site.

  41. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Thanks Fara Khanum.

  42. Fara says:

    The full interview is now on Al-Jazeera;

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad talks to Al Jazeera

    http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/talktojazeera/2011/10/2011101810101934363.html

  43. James Canning says:

    R S Hack,

    The problem remains, that any US attack on Iran would be illegal under international law. I do not see an attack as “response” to the so-called “plot to kill Saudi ambassador”. Warmongering Israelis, of course, would be happy for the US to be so stupid as to attack Iran.

  44. Empty says:

    Part III

    There was a small typo in translating the following line from the previous section that I must correct. The line: ISO: Because they will be going with Iraqi caravans, they cannot be on the return list. Saudi Arabia keeps a list of people in each caravan and will check them on exit. Once they are back here, they could go from Ba’aseh and then return their passports to specific locations elsewhere.

    The line “they cannot be on the return list” should read “they cannot be missing based on the return list.”

    “Due to logistics, the decision was made for the MEK members to enter and exit Mecca with Iraqi identities. Once in Mecca, they would mix with Iranian pilgrims. Records of discussions/negotiation between Mehdi Abrishamchi [a high-ranking MEK member] and an Iraqi intelligence officer shows the following statement from Abrishamchi: ‘We need to make sure the operation remains a secret, even from the airport [Security? Cleaning? Custom officials?—not clear which workers he refers to] workers we have a specific airport schedule/time frame/work shift [for Jeddeh Airport?]. Only three people are aware of this shift/time schedule. We will let you know.’ There was a record stating [from Abrishamchi?] as follows: “Right now, we received information from the ‘foreign relations’. Airplane 3G, flight number 380, and flight time is 10am. Our agents will be at the airport at 8am.”

    “According to the defected members, the following were among those sent to Mecca from Iraq: Haj Masih, Haj Sadeghi, Hossein Moslemi, Bahram (Taghi); Asghar (better known as ‘Asghar Radio’); Javad Saleh Tehrani (Bijan Ravabet); Kaveh Ravabet; Hossein Fili (Abbas Ravabet); Hamid Batabi (Rahim Ravabet); Javad; and Hassan Enayat (Sadegh Ravabet).”

    “After this caravan returned from Saudi Arabia, one-by-one, each of these members began to develop ‘problems’ [original uses the word مسئله دار]. The word got around the سازمان [organization –refers to MEK] that ‘problem-people’ [مسئله دارها] were also disappearing one by one. Evidence surfaced only on a few:

    -Asghar Radio was deployed to Pakistan. After sometimes, they announced that he had been killed by the Islamic Republic.

    -Bahram (Taghi) from Tabriz got demoted to a lower rank and then it was announced that he drowned while swimming alone in the pool in Badi’e Zadegan camp. It was announced that he did not know how to swim.

    -Javad was found hung in the repair station of one of the camps. It was explained that he had psychological issues as his first wife had been killed in Mersad operations and his 2nd wife was pregnant. Words got around that the height of the area from which his body was hanging was too high for him to have been able to get himself that high up to hang.

    According to other whistle blowers and defectors, 18 other suspicious deaths occurred in Camp Ashram. However, the members were not certain which ones had been part of the Hajj 1366 operations.”

    “After successful Hajj 1366 operation, MEK published an official condemnation letter against the Islamic Republic and blamed the “Hajj Tragedy” on the regime. The relationship between MEK and Saudi government expanded that year. Massoud Rajavi received a formal invitation from King Fahad for a ‘Hajj Omreh’ visit.”

    Sources [all translations from Farsi-they are not in order]:

    1. Sabetipour, A.R., سازمان مجاهدین خلق از پیدایش تا فرجام , Institute for Political Research Center Publishing.

    2. Center for Documents of Islamic Revolution, Access online at: ;http://www.irdc.ir/fa/calendar/136/default.aspx

    3. Religions News Agency, “Germans’ Legacy of Shi’a Massacre in the Hands of Ulrich Wegener…” Access online at: ;http://www.adyan.net/147/5356-news.html

    4. Hajj Special Library, Sahifeh Hajj, Volume 1, Segments 230-246. Online at: ;http://hajj.ir/hadjwebui/library/wfViewBookPage.aspx?bookId=1453&pageNumber=100

  45. Persian Gulf says:

    fyi & Rd

    تازه نظراتتون رو دیدم خواستم یه چیزهایی در جواب بنویسم بی خیال شدم کلا. اصلا ولش، حرف شماها درست. ما بریم مرگ بر آمریکا بگیم و برای سلامتی آقا دعا کنیم شاید اوضاع ایران هم درست بشه .روز خوش

  46. From the Iraq War Web site.

    Quote:

    Increased risk of an attack on Iran and/or Syria…
    By: sealion on: 18.10.2011 [06:02 ] (158 reads)

    I usually laugh at these alarmist posts claiming an imminent attack on Iran. However, a combination of factors has definitely increased the risk of such event, starting with this video:

    :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-6J0bTskRg [MY NOTE: Alex Jones claims "it's ON!"]

    - Then, there is this week-long US exercize in Israel and Saudi Arabia:

    “The United States is conducting a week-long large-scale aerial exercise in Israel and Saudi Arabia as a navy fleet sails to the Mediterranean in preparation for any surprise flare-ups in the Middle East…”

    :http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/148789

    - A look at US Naval forces movement shows only 2 carriers near Iran, but an unusually large percentage of the US Fleet is, either deployed or on its way to an unknown destination:

    “Deployable Battle Force Ships: 284

    Ships Underway Ships Underway (away from homeport): 149 ships (52% of total)
    Ships on deployment On deployment: 111 ships (39% of total)
    Attack submarines underway Attack submarines underway (away from homeport): 29 subs (54%)
    Subs on deployment On deployment: 18 subs (33%)

    Ships Underway

    Aircraft Carriers Underway:
    USS Dwight D. Eisenhower (CVN 69) – Atlantic Ocean
    USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN 72) – Pacific Ocean
    USS George Washington (CVN 73) – 7th Fleet
    USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74) – 5th Fleet
    USS Ronald Reagan (CVN 76) – Pacific Ocean
    USS George H.W. Bush (CVN 77) – 5th Fleet

    Amphibious Assault Ships Underway :
    USS Wasp (LHD 1) – Atlantic Ocean
    USS Essex (LHD 2) – Philippine Sea
    USS Bataan (LHD 5) – 5th Fleet”

    :http://www.navy.mil/navydata/navy_legacy_hr.asp?id=146

    - A US missile cruiser just arrived in Georgia on the Black Sea:

    :http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20111017/167778388.html

    - Confirmation of the secret delivery of the GBU-28 Hard Target Penetrators to Israel:

    :http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/23/president-obama-secretly-approved-transfer-of-bunker-buster-bombs-to-israel.html

    - Even former Iranian President Katami, now in the opposition is starting to get worried:

    “Iran’s former president Mohammad Khatami on Thursday warned the government of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of a possible US military attack, following charges that Iran was behind a plot to assassinate the Saudi Arabian ambassador to Washington.”

    :http://peakoil.com/publicpolicy/irans-former-president-warns-of-possible-us-attack/

    And, finally, we have this obvious False Flag accusation against Iran about the Saudi ambassador and Obama’s promise that “Iran would have to pay a price…”

    The only signs that the attack could be directed against Syria – in the first instance – is the fact that the US carrier Stennis is being directed back into the Med from its station off Iran’s coast and that there is too few LHA and LHD’s stationed off Iran to prevent a closure of the Straight of Hormuz, which would be the likely reaction of Iran in case of an attack…

    End Quote

    A note on that last: If a carrier is pulled OUT of the Gulf, it would signal an attack since there’s no way the US Navy wants its aircraft carrier too close to Iran when the attack is launched.

    Not to mention that an attack on Syria would have nearly as many serious consequences as an attack on Iran, and may well prelude an attack on Iran.

  47. James Canning says:

    Rehmat,

    I don’t think it is accurate to say Turkey declared Israel to be an enemy. Turkey wants the apology, and an end to the blockade of Gaza, and an end to the occupation of the West Bank (and Golan Heights).

  48. Rehmat says:

    “We don’t have the luxury to turn against Europe or US or Middle East or Middle Asia. The stronger a country that has a geography like Turkey bows its arrow, the farthest arrow goes towards Europe. Where is the axis? Axis is in Ankara,” said Turkish Foreign Minister Professor Ahmet Davutoglu in 2009 and waged a dynamic diplomatic initiative to develop friendly relations with Turkey’s regional neighbors. Since then Ahmet, President Abdullah Gul and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan have visited neighboring Islamic Republic, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Greece, Israel and Georgia to establish AKP’s ‘zero problem’ regional policy.

    However, since the begining of this year, Ankara has lost several of its regional allies in its pursuit to win favors from the US, EU and the western puppet regimes in the Muslim East.

    “Turkey eventually lent its support to the NATO attack on Libya, after initially holding back. It has antagonised Iran by its policy on Syria and by agreeing, despite strong domestic opposition, to host a US radar missile installation clearly directed against Iran. The Americans say the installation’s data will be shared with Israel, which has refused to apologise for the attack on the Turkish ship the Mavi Marmara, plunging Israeli-Turkish relations into near crisis. So from “zero problems”, Turkey now has a regional policy full of problems with Israel, Syria and Iran,” says Professor Jeremy Salt (Bilkent University in Ankara).

    Turkey which had declared the Zionist regime an enemy – is lately helping it to destroy Turkey’s allies in Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Occupied Palestine and Bahrain. Interestingly, the new arms Turkey is purchasing from United States – are equipped with IFF (Identification Friend or Foe) system that identifies Israeli targets as friends by default.

    “The US gives IFF system codes only to Israel. The system can identify friend and enemy targets including planes and warships from long distance. It is also capable of firing missiles automatically. US gives the source of the codes only to Israel as Tel Aviv’s security is more important than any other thing to the US,” Sukru M. Elekdag, Turkey’s former ambassador the US and Japan wrote in Turkish daily Milligazete.

    Turkey has 203 F-16 C/D fighter jets. These are Block 30 and Block 40 versions. The Block 50 and 52+ versions of these planes are newer and have more advanced fighting capabilities. Turkey has ordered 30 Block 50 F-16 fighter jets, but the US has not yet delivered them to Turkey.

    Israel has 339 F-16 fighter jets, 102 of which are F-16 Block 52+.

    Turkey is interested in buying F-35 American advanced jet fighters. Last year Barack Obama promised 20 of those F-35 to Israel if Benji Netanyahu postpone building new illegal Jewish settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

    http://rehmat2.wordpress.com/2011/10/18/turkey-kills-its-%e2%80%98zero-problem%e2%80%99-regional-policy/

  49. Rehmat says:

    fyi – For G-d’s sake stop translating Hindu names into Yidish. The India’s former prime minister’s name was INDIRA GANDHI – and NOT “Indhira Ghandi”.

    BTW – how is Gilad Shalit doing??

  50. Liz says:

    Scott Lucas,

    Like all people who claim to be experts on everything, you are an expert
    on nothing.

  51. Empty says:

    Humanist,

    By all means. I will. It takes much less time for me to write my own thoughts than to translate as I feel it much more time to translate and keep its fidelity. When I saw the draining, I got tempted.

    I will translate the rest though. I think it’s very relevant to the current post and what is happening.

  52. Empty says:

    Rd,

    RE: Recall those loved ones, while back home, would leave their ac/heat running non-stop, even while in vacation. Then simply shrug off the $5 utility bill they got every three months.

    Or the amount of gasoline that would overflow from the tanks; or the AC would be on and all doors and windows would be open; or equivalent to the amount of bread that would be eaten would have “waste” because it was too tough or too soft or too thick or too thin; or the number of lights that would be on in every room; or the water that would be running for hours from the water hoses; or the amount of food would be dumped into the waste bin…. I completely understand all too well what you mean. Every year that I would see these things, I would خون جگر میخوردم. Things had gotten much better this year. I hope it continues. Nothing like کفران نعمت [wasting of the blessings] would put a damper on the continuation of the نعمتها [the blessings].

    RE: Once relocated to tehrangeles, they quickly learn to adjust to the efficient use of utilities. However, when the question of subsidy removal and the new utility prices back home are raised, holly every thing is over the roof expensive rings aloud.

    Most people have not learned to think properly. Hopefully, they will inevitably learn.

    RE: If that’s where the “brain” drain is an issue.. so be it, let it drain.. they can join the rest of us in this consumed society and sing we are free to assemble.

    I personally think among the people who leave, those with high intellect and high aptitude become better and more seasoned people. Inevitably and one way or another, they find their way back to Iran but with a better understanding and better appreciation of what to keep and what to shake off. As I have said before, they may get out of Iran, Iran does not get out of them. I have seen too many examples [in a good way] of this. And there are those that no matter what……oh, well, may God just guide them.

  53. ME Watcher says:

    This Scott Lucas guy sounds like a used car salesman. Beware.

    “EA WorldView is amongst leading coverage of Occupy Wall Street as well as of Iran (and many other topics)”

  54. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Scott:

    When you’re right, you’re right. But in my defense, I knew as I was writing those lines that you’d be back. But please do continue to ignore not just me, but everyone else. We would be much obliged, I’m sure.

    Love and kisses,

    UU.

  55. Unknown Unknowns says:

    hans:

    Nov. 15th & 17th have come and gone. What now? Back to the Mayan drawing board? Or is there a silver lining?

  56. Scott Lucas says:

    UU,

    “Getting rid of” someone is not the same as someone ignoring you.

    Best,

    S.

  57. Humanist says:

    James, it seems I rushed to reply to you without understanding your thoughts….sorry

  58. fyi says:

    James Canning says: October 18, 2011 at 2:21 pm

    The senators and other officials of US are too old to realize the world around them has changed.

    They were young when US was a colossour bestriding the world and running it in most instances. When Indhira Ghandi would run to US for help with another famine; when Iranians were so grateful to receive a small loan and approve Cousnular Capitulation for it.

    They are used to that mind-set and that world.

    Just like the leaders of General Motors before them – the largest and most profitable corporation on Earth – they are unwilling or unable to face the changed world around them.

    They still think that US has an infinite margin of error to hatch these types of plots and that the rest of the world will swallow it.

    And just like GM, there are very many Americans outside of the USG that wish to help US chart a different course.

    And just like the case of GM, they are and will be ignored.

    Until the final bankruptcy.

  59. Humanist says:

    James,

    You write “….why would US intelligence agents think that the release of Shalit would trigger or occasion attacks on US embassies in the Middle East? Makes no sense”.

    In my amateurish view it makes perfect sense if you set the minds of zealous ultra nationalist Likudniks under the microscope (or in fMRI). For them the life of tens of thousands of Palestinians, Iranians, Syrians or just any other national is no match for the life of a single Israeli. If Israel starts a war with Iran while Shalit is in prison the chance of his release in coming years becomes zilsh as long as Hamas is in power.

    Maybe CIA has some other reasons but I am pretty sure the reason I described above is certainly one of them.

  60. Rd. says:

    James Canning says:

    Yes, Obama is exposed as a man easily manipulated, and likely duped. By Israel-firsters within his own adminstration.

    In other political news, Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney is emerging as the candidate of choice for the financial industry. Newly released campaign finance records show Romney has raised $7.5 million from the financial industry—nearly twice as much as President

    http://www.democracynow.org/2011/10/18/headlines#8

  61. James Canning says:

    Unknwon Unknowns,

    It was Jimmy Carter who so stupidly allowed Castro to send perhaps thousands of hardened criminals to the US. Crime rate in Florida exploded.

  62. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Another alarming question is why would the stooges of the Israel lobby in charge of the Senate and House intelligence committees, help to promote the conspiracy to slander Iran with false allegations of a plot to kill the Saudi ambassador? Feinstein and Murphy may have a good deal to answer for.

  63. James Canning says:

    Humanist,

    Interesting report by Paul Joseph Watson you linked. But, why would US intelligence agents think that the release of Shalit would trigger or occasion attacks on US embassies in the Middle East? Makes no sense.

    Hamas is planning a alrge celebration in Gaza. Understandable.

    Panetta resisted the warmongering Israelis who lobbied for an attack on Iran, when he was in Israel early this month.

  64. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Talking about “brain” drains… Many moons ago, I think it was in that other clown’s time, Reagan, where he decided to grant amnesty to any Cuban refugees that could make their way to the shores of Florida. That sly old fox Fidel Castro took the opportunity to empty the jails and rid Cuba of her worst criminal elements. He loaded a large ship full of these menaces to society and dumped them on the shores, where they eventually made their way to Miami and elsewhere. The outraged newspaper headlines read, “Castro flushes the toilet on Miami.”

    When the late Imam Khomeini decided to “flush the toilet”, the “brains” ended up in Tehrangeles and Orange County, Reagan’s home turf, where they have been raising a stink ever since. (Regaan 8 saal reed, ba’d Bush amad.)

  65. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    In fact, it is alarming to see confirmation of Obama’s lack of understanding of Iran, of Iranian policies, etc etc etc, that enabled this scheme to move forward.

    What role did Dennis Ross play in this apparently criminal conspiracy to deceive the president?

  66. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    A related question to ask is whether the US Attorney General was a dupe or stooge of powerful financial interests, before he became AG?

  67. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Yes, Obama is exposed as a man easily manipulated, and likely duped. By Israel-firsters within his own adminstration.

    Obama in the White House in 1962 would have been catastrophic for the US and the entire planet. But of course, Obama in the White House 50 years ago was unthinkable.

    Stephen Walt thinks Obama has been played by his own advisers. Time and again.

  68. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    I talked to several well-informed American friends today, and they said most Americans they know do not even want to know the so-called “plot” in fact was a conspiracy by, perhaps, Israeli intelligence working with stooges of the Israel lobby in the US Congress and in the Obama administration. Intentionally ignorant.

  69. James Canning says:

    Afshar Ostovar has interesting comments today (“Worst. Plot. Ever”):

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/10/13/worst_plot_ever

    Ostovar says Quds force leader would not be so stupid. And top US officials admit they have no evidence leader of Guards approved the scheme.

  70. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    I think some Iranian leaders can see, and do see, that exposing the bogus nature of the so-called “plot” will facilitate better relations with at least some European countries. That clearly is the angle to exploit.

    Purpose of the conspiracy clearly was to make relations between Iran and world community worse. Countering the purpose of the conspiracy obviously is the way forward.

  71. fyi says:

    James Canning says: October 18, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    The plot of this “plot”, clealry has harmed Mr. Obama, Mr. Harper and others in hostile (to Iran) government.

    No one will forget the WMD fiasco in Iraq; this is just added on top of that.

    So there are people in US who are very willing to help Israel even if that harms the United States; making an spectacle of Mr. Obama as an easilu manipulated man.

    Iranians are not any more assertive in the Middle East than they were before – say in 2008.

    They are continuing with their own projects – all the time calculating that no deal with the Axis Powers is possible and that – further – those states have got too many other pre-occupations (the Arab Spring, the Great Depression II, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Ukraine, Somalia, Yemen, Pakistan).

  72. James Canning says:

    Wilbur,

    The DEA and FBI appaently claim that $100,000 came out of Iranian bank accounts, that they claim are connected to the Guards. Which prompts the retort: how likely is it that the head of the Guards would play it so stupidly?

  73. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Khamenei said Iran would retaliate if the US takes actions against Iran based on what appear to be false pretenses.

  74. James Canning says:

    Do you actually agree with George Friedman that Iran has “become more assertive” in the Middle East because the US is pulling American troops out of Iraq? This is blather.

  75. James Canning says:

    Has Dennis Ross said anything about the so-called “plot” so far? Why would Obama’s Iran and Israel adviser be quiet?

    As I mentioned earlier, it was fun to watch Mort Zuckerman almost jump out of his chair, during the “McLaughlin Group” programme on US public televison last week, when he was asked what Netanyahu thought about the “plot”. PBS.com

  76. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    I think chances are good that the announcement of the “plot” was intended to distract American public attention from the announcement of the latest illegal Jewish colony in the West Bank. It also helped stooges of the Israel lobby in the US Congress to avoid commenting on the latest idiotic scheme in the occupied WB.

    I assumed from day one the “plot” was a scam, directed against the American public.

  77. James Canning says:

    Pirouz,

    Iran has a very large upside if the “plot” can be shown to be a conspiracy by Israelis (and possibly MEK). There may have been some Iranian double-agents or profiteers within Iran.

  78. fyi says:

    James Canning says: October 18, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    No.

    As I stated before; the plot is evaporating in front of our eyes.

    And Mr. Khamenie has denied it 3 times, ridiculed Mr. Obama in the process, and stated that Iran will retaliate.

    US could escalate or stand-down.

    Watch as the event unfold.

  79. James Canning says:

    Unknown Unknowns,

    Mansour Arbabsiar (aka “Jack” Arbabsiar) received forged documents from Mossad? Maybe copies of those forgeries will become available?

  80. Humanist says:

    US Begins Huge Military Maneuvers Aimed at Iran

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=27130

  81. Pirouz says:

    Omid says:
    October 17, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    From my present vantage point, there is no way of knowing whether the MEK connection is accurate. But it was my initial guess or hunch.

    The Iranians are now publicly stating they’re up for “examining” this alleged plot. I’m wondering if they are now in a more confident position, after receiving reports from their own security and law enforcement investigative agencies.

  82. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Is there a connection between the Obama administration’s announcement of the so-called “plot”, and the Israeli announcement of yet another idiotic illegal Jewish settlement in the West Bank a few days later?

  83. Humanist says:

    Empty

    I read eagerly your Part I and II of Hajj incident which I believe was a major historical event. I am curiously waiting for your Part III. I hope you’ll get time to finish that important work.

  84. Rd. says:

    Empty says:

    Ph.D. “elites” of Karaj College of Agriculture (an off-shoot of Tehran University) who just this summer were complaining about “lack of opportunity”

    Interesting read.. on a much simpler version;

    Recall those loved ones, while back home, would leave their ac/heat running non-stop, even while in vacation. Then simply shrug off the $5 utility bill they got every three months.

    Once relocated to tehrangeles, they quickly learn to adjust to the efficient use of utilities. However, when the question of subsidy removal and the new utility prices back home are raised, holly every thing is over the roof expensive rings aloud.

    If that’s where the “brain” drain is an issue.. so be it, let it drain.. they can join the rest of us in this consumed society and sing we are free to assemble.

  85. fyi says:

    Wilbur says: October 18, 2011 at 3:11 am

    As you can already see, the story has started disappearing from public news media.

    It might have been the work of Iranian Counter-Intelligence; to make US do something stupid – like Mr. Obama, Mr. Harper and others making bellicose statements that they later came to regret.

    Another possibility is just that some people in US are desparate for some incident, any incident – with Iran to push forward their agenda.

  86. fyi says:

    ian Gulf says: October 18, 2011 at 8:50 am

    This is all silly.

    The fact of the matter is that the Iranian economy, like those of India, Pakistan, the Philippenes, etc. cannot absorb the graduates.

    There is not enough work for them.

    In India, none of the IIT graduates remain there.

  87. Empty says:

    Somewhere in the middle of a desolate desert near a NowhereAbad, among the bushes which are no more than twenty centimeter long, there stands a lonely but tall and luscious grape vine. Annually, that single vine blesses its keeper with a net income equivalent to $5,000 in غوره [young sour grape] from which the keeper makes آب غوره و گرد غوره [sour grape juice & sour grape powder], انگور [ripe grapes], کشمش [raisins], برگ مو [grape leaves], and سرکه [vinegar]. Immediately after the winter hibernation sets in late in Fall, the keeper prunes the vine and uses the dried wood to make charcoal, the traditional way that is.

    This particular story began like this: The keeper was and still is an old man who barely finished the 5th grade in elementary school due to family circumstances and other factors. A few years ago, having been denied a loan from a bank (bless him for not having his life tainted by the banking business] and not having any piece of land to his name, he chose a desolate desert that amounted to “nothing” in the eyes of the “elites” and began working on “nothing”, again, in the eyes of the “elites”. He planted a young نهال [sapling] from a fantastic قلمه [cutting] he had obtained (for free) from a grape grower elsewhere. He purchased a کوزه سفالی [un-glossed clay water pot] for what amounts to less than a couple of dollars and buried it close to the young vine making sure the narrow opening sticks out. Every few weeks, he walked from where he lived to where his vine tree lived and filled the pot with water [isn’t diffusion a magnificent mechanism?] After about three years, the keeper of the vine began to harvest the first fruit of his labor. He, I believe, is perfect example of نخبه who can teach a thing or two to the Ph.D. “elites” of Karaj College of Agriculture (an off-shoot of Tehran University) who just this summer were complaining about “lack of opportunity” to put their “education” at work.

  88. Voice of Tehran says:

    Unknown Unknowns says:
    October 17, 2011 at 7:53 pm
    VoT: The link is only to a 2-minute clip. Do let us know if there is a full version. But I guess you must have watched it live.

    Yes Dear UU , I watched it live , it was never-ending , I think 1 hour and it was brilliant.
    I had not seen this Al-Jazeera interviewer before , but he did a very nice job.
    In my opinion it was the best interview of AN , ever , it is worth watching it.
    It’s weird, I cannot find a proper link covering the whole interview , can anybody help…

  89. Persian Gulf says:

    masoud says:
    October 18, 2011 at 12:44

    I think the point you mentioned was covered in the article as well:

    “یکی از عوامل بسیار مهم خروج نخبگان، فقدان شایسته گرایی‌ست؛ البته مراد من شایسته‌سالاری نیست بلکه شایسته گرایی است . نخبه‌پروری، یک امرمطلوب است ولی نخبه‌گرایی و نخبه سالاری، خیر. چون در عقبۀ نخبه‌سالاری ، سرکوب دیگری‌ در کمین است . همچنین در نخبه سالاری، انحصار فرصت ها و بی عدالتی هست. همه انسان ها باید فرصت رشد و شکوفایی برای‌شان فراهم بشود و این همان نخبه پروری است.”

    I agree with that part which are covers your concern. I think, I said it here before; that not everybody who leaves (probably myself included) is so called “Nokhbe”, genius… or whatever the term you would like to call. I could go as far as to say the majority are the ones that received worthless degrees from unknown universities; remote Azad Univ. and so on. Often due to their better financial situation, they end up migrating. Generally, I could say 3/5 of the ones leaving the country are average and bellow the average (they even better leave!). The rest, 2/5, are really good ones, at least based on Iranian standard. in every country this small group of professionals, whether you like it or not, is the cause for progress (whatever that means).

    Only after I read the article I paid attention to the website. the article is very interesting regardless of where it was published. not everything related to Iran is about reformist versus conservatives. pathetic.

  90. BiBiJon says:

    On Human Rights
    ==============

    Full Speech of Iran’s envoy to Russia in Human Rights Committee meeting

    http://www.isna.ir/ISNA/NewsView.aspx?ID=News-1872403&Lang=E

  91. Empty says:

    masoud says,

    I’ve always found the term ‘nokhbeh’(The Elite), as used by Iranians to be terribly embarrassing. It really does hearken back to a feudal mind set, where you were either a nobleman or a peasant. Unfortunately it’s a predisposition that’s all too common among the Reformist camp. The greens, as a rule have it much worse.

    Well put.

  92. Fiorangela says:

    Wilbur,

    do tell what “true democracy” is.
    Don’t leave out the bits about lying, drone attacks, spying, covert operations, attempts to cause entire nations to starve to death, destruction of the economic viability of other nations.

    The Forum awaits with eager anticipation.

  93. Fiorangela says:

    Unknown Unknowns il mio amico,

    Forgive the temporary lapse into pacific problem solving; it was uncharacteristic & likely will not happen again any time soon. I too like to call a spade a spade, and would like to see more people who do so. Unfortunately, Mr. Felton believes a spade is a Hun.

  94. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Supreme Leader Warns Against Foreign Efforts to Foment Discord Between Shia and Sunni
    english.khamenei.ir//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1543

  95. BiBiJon says:

    Wilbur says:
    October 18, 2011 at 3:39 am

    “Your response to Persian Gulf is so indicative of your favorite regimes response to any disent. Not so ironically it is why the IRIB’s negative characterization of the OWS is so off base. Simply put you or your regime have no clue what real democracy is all about. While many disagree with the OWS protests the majority look at in a positive light. We do because it is a clear sign democracy is alive and well in the US–people can still air views or dissent freely.”

    Wilbur, Would you mind dropping a note to multi-billionair Bloomberg?

    From ,http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/nyregion/bloomberg-says-tent-city-at-wall-street-protest-exceeds-free-speech.html?_r=1&hp

    Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, speaking Monday as Occupy Wall Street protesters celebrated the passage of a month encamped in Zuccotti Park, said he was trying to strike a balance between protecting protesters’ right to free speech and the needs of Lower Manhattan residents.

    “The Constitution doesn’t protect tents,” he said at a news conference in Queens. “It protects speech and assembly.”

    The mayor expressed concern that those exercising a “right to be silent” might be getting drowned out amid the din of the protests.

    —————-

    Imagine if Mubarak had said (and he did say) similar things about Tahrir square.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGRXCgMdz9A&feature=player_embedded

  96. Scott Lucas says:

    kooshy,

    Thanks for your question — EA WorldView is amongst leading coverage of Occupy Wall Street as well as of Iran (and many other topics) — in the last 72 hours, you could have read:

    ON OCCUPY WALL STREET

    Occupy Wall Street Video: A Marine to New York Police “This is Not a War Zone”
    ,http://www.eaworldview.com/home/2011/10/17/occupy-wall-street-video-a-marine-to-new-york-police-this-is.html

    Occupy Wall Street (and Beyond): Why the Protests? Here are the Charts….
    ,http://www.eaworldview.com/home/2011/10/17/occupy-wall-street-and-beyond-why-the-protests-here-are-the.html

    Occupy Wall Street (and Beyond): Protests All Around the World
    ,http://www.eaworldview.com/home/2011/10/16/occupy-wall-street-and-beyond-protests-all-around-the-world.html

    A Unifying Statement from Occupy Wall Street?
    ,http://www.eaworldview.com/home/2011/10/15/a-unifying-statement-from-occupy-wall-street.html

    Occupy Wall Street (and Beyond): 1st-Hand Reports from Occupy London March
    ,http://www.eaworldview.com/home/2011/10/15/occupy-wall-street-and-beyond-1st-hand-reports-from-occupy-l.html

    S.

  97. Wilbur says:

    Unknown Unknowns,

    Your response to Persian Gulf is so indicative of your favorite regimes response to any disent. Not so ironically it is why the IRIB’s negative characterization of the OWS is so off base. Simply put you or your regime have no clue what real democracy is all about. While many disagree with the OWS protests the majority look at in a positive light. We do because it is a clear sign democracy is alive and well in the US–people can still air views or dissent freely. Can you do that in Iran if it’s purpose is to critique and question the very foundations of the regime? The answer is sadly a clear no. Instead the regime only allows for views already pre approved to be aired making a mockery of true democracy. Thankfully as history has shown those civilizations pushing a rigid monoculture aggresively opposed to change have a relative short shelf light. I only worry about how many more lives your regime will consume to stay in power?

    Thx
    Bill

  98. Wilbur says:

    Fyi,

    Very good point and frankly I have not seen anything regarding the money trail. Either they don’t have one or they are still in the process of tracking it. Regardless I find it difficult that the US would “bumble” this one. I also don’t believe Iran would have been stupid enough to sanction something like this–as has been pointed out many times this would actually be very counter productive for them. I guess we will all learn more as we go forward.

    Thx
    Bill

  99. masoud says:

    Persian Gulf says:
    October 17, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    I’ve always found the term ‘nokhbeh’(The Elite), as used by Iranians to be terribly embarrassing. It really does harken back to a feudal mind set, where you were either a nobleman or a peasent. Unfortunately it’s a predisposition that’s all too common among the Reformist camp. The greens, as a rule have it much worse.

    What’s wrong with people leaving the country anyway? I say Bon Voyage! The Iranian penchant for melodrama is just too much sometimes.

  100. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Makaru wa makr Allah.

    Inn Allaha ahsan al-maakirun.

  101. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Omid and Amir:

    I hope Gareth porter skewers Barry White with this one. In the Press TV article there is also this little gem:

    Earlier in the day, a senior Pakistani intelligence official said that the prime suspect in the alleged plot, Mansour Arbabsiar, who is also a cousin of Shakouri, had received forged identity documents from the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad.

  102. masoud says:

    I’d never have thought the MKO would be this sloppy.

  103. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Maybe I shouldn’t do this, but fuck it.

    Persian Gulf: What the hell are you doing posting a link to a website article associated with that scoundrel who caused all that chaos in the aftermath of the 2009 elections? And what on God’s green earth is your point about the brain drain? That the battered wife that has asked for a divorce and won’t be given one by her wife-beating husband, Uncle Weasel, is responsible? Is that what you are doing here? Blaming the victim? Do you believe the sanctions are justified? Because all of this is the result of sanctions and the enmity Iran is causing Uncle Weasel because she refuses to go under his imperial yoke. Go peddle that shit on iranian.com of somewhere you’ll find customers for your delusional thoughts.

    Honestly, we got rid of pak and bala and scott, and now we got a home-grown greenie in our midst. Have you not gotten *anything* from what you have been reading on this site?

    I just needed to vent. I’m not going to respond to you, in case you were wondering. Pathetic.

  104. amir says:

    If they can prove it Obama will be done and it will a major victory for iran
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/205177.html

  105. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Omid:

    So let me see if I have gotten this straight.

    1. Some loser of a second hand car salesman gets caught in an FBI sting dragnet.
    2. Once in the hands of the entrapers, they nudge him or put a bug in his ear to up the ante.
    3. Fortune shines on our patsy as he *does* happen to have a cousin who can help him out here.
    4. The cousin *is* a member of a terrorist organization, as the US Attorney General has avowed.
    5. Team Weasel blows the whole thing up.
    6. Oops. The terrorist organization was one of *theirs*, you know, the ones they have been protecting in Iraq for the past several years, and now Team WEasel has to weasel themselves out of yet another pitiful embarrassment of their own making.
    7. Team Weasel’s European lapdogs go around smelling each others’ backsides, wag their tails, pretend all is normal, and continue to pretend they hold the moral high-ground.
    8. Iran just shakes its head, with a Mona Lisa smile on her face.

    Jall al-Khaaliq.

  106. Omid says:

    Interpol has gained information about the second suspect in the alleged plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the United States indicating that he is a key member of the Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization (MKO).

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/205177.html

  107. Omid says:

    This fabricated plot is written by Mossad agents like , Joel Rosenberg, author of
    “Tehran initiative”, using Israel’s servant MEK.

    http://www.irdiplomatic.com/view-8259-آمریکا-ایران-واشنگتن.html

    It has been reported that Gholam Hussein Shakuri is a member of MEK where should be working with Mossad/CIA?FBI and is a relative of Arbabsiar.

    در حالی علی لاریجانی منصور ارباب سیر را از مخالفان دولت ایران خوانده است که روز گذشته
    خواستار دسترسی کنسولی تهران به وی شد

    همزمان با اظهارات علی لاريجانی، خبرگزاری مهر نيز گزارش داده است که «نام های علی/ غلام و غلامحسين شکوری» از اعضای اصلی سازمان مجاهدين خلق است که «طی سال های متمادی با استفاده از گذرنامه های ايرانی و ساير اسناد هويت جعلی بين کشورهای مختلف تردد نموده است.»

    {The information reveals a man named Gholam Hussein Shakouri who is closely connected with the fabricated prime suspect. Shakouri, who is a cousin of Mansour Arbaseir, is reportedly a member of the MKO, a notorious terrorist organization now based at the Ashraf camp in Iraq and strongly supported by the US government although the organization has been widely designated as a terrorist organization.}

  108. Humanist says:

    Off topic (or is it?)

    Watch this video entitled ‘How People become Monsters’

    (Warning! The video contains new appalling pictures of Abu-Garaib Prison)

    http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/philip_zimbardo_on_the_psychology_of_evil.html

    After watching it I was thinking among other ills of our time about the following:

    Empires must have been hurting themselves in different ways. One imperceptible hidden feature of Empire must be that, in the long term, their populace gets dehumanized, militarized where the natural constructive empathy decreases with ever-increasing momentum.

    I couldn’t help remembering the first time I heard someone saying ‘In most of the US cities and towns it is not safe to walk outside the home after the dark’.

    I believe, as this video implies, we are born more good than evil. I believe if we intelligently live among good people in a good safe community we cherish more this short ambiguous life then living among the dormant monsters in subconscious fear.

    I believe Empires rob their populace of tranquil living and some potential pleasures no matter how shallow those innocent pleasures are…. and most of those who run the empires DIE after a lonely, psychotic miserable existence unnecessarily hurting so many along the way.

  109. Persian Gulf says:

    مهاجرت بی بازگشت نخبگان ایران

    http://www.rahesabz.net/story/43921/

  110. fyi says:

    Wilbur says: October 17, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    The burden of proof is on US.

    Ever tried to get $1000 wired to you from a Bank in the Middle East?

    Try it sometime and let me know how long it will take to clear that money and how many US security personnel do you need to satisfy.

  111. Pirouz says:

    And here’s an amusing post by retired USA military intelligence officer Colonel Lang:

    Gareth Porter’s take on the IO

    http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2011/10/gareth-porters-take-on-the-io.html

  112. Pirouz says:

    Here are two relevant pieces that were published today:

    US Officials Peddle False Intel to Support Terror Plot Claims by Gareth Porter

    http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2011/10/17-5

  113. BiBiJon says:

    Wilbur says:
    October 17, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    “not much good will come out of it for Iran.”

    Out of all the players, the WH, DOJ, CIA, state dept., US’ allies, NYTimes, etc. I don’t see Iran being effected negatively.

    We have arrived at a stage where not only the rest of the world, but a significant and growing number of Americans will not believe the next crap that comes out of USG.

  114. Wilbur says:

    FYI,

    I don’t discount what you stated because it has merit. However my belief is that we had a real event as unbelievable as it is. From my standpoint the facts demonstrate “most likely”:

    1) You had a rougue element within the Iranian regime doing something off the grid. The Iranian regime wouldn’t be stupid to do something like this but maybe someone with a personal vendetta did? The fractures in the regime also would make this all that much more plausible than any other time. Who knows maybe they are trying to orchestrate a crisis to try a cou de ta to remove the clerics from power? Didn’t you find it odd that the Leader just intimated the office of the president could be elected by parliment(not controlled by the IRGC but the clerics) in the near future?

    2) The US administration was quite skeptical about this. Note they waited almost two weeks before going public with it when usually a plot of this nature is reported almost immediately. The fact it was under raps for so long is a demonstration of how skeptical the US administration was about this. Here is the actual court document:

    http://www.justice.gov/opa/documents/us-v-arbabsiar-shakuri-complaint.pdf

    I just don’t see any other explanation but I do have to admit I had a good laugh over the idiocy of the whole thing. I also like how it took Iran exactly 24 hours to blame it on Israel and to just throw Gholam Shakuri to the wolves declaring him MKO. The Iranian spin control is just a laugh!!! Sadly some may very get well hurt over this idiocy.

    By the way have you noticed how the IRIB has completely misread the OWS protests. They have characterized it is “bad.” The irony of it is that it is a clear demonstration of a real functioning democracy. While many don’t agree with the protests we do view them as something good because is a well used outlet to air your views. To deny it is in fact undemocratic and unamerican! The Mullahs simply don’t get it–the only protests they allow are those not deemed a threat to themselves.

    All the best to you
    BIll

  115. Unknown Unknowns says:

    BiBiJon says:
    October 17, 2011 at 4:08 pm
    Great find! http://www.voltairenet.org/The-Sakineh-scandal

    Can’t we bring back stoning for that apostate who couldn’t spell his name in English? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese? :D

  116. Wilbur says:

    BibiJon,

    The sane world along with me think its all a bunch of bunk or at the very least you had a rougue IRGC commander off the grid doing this. Regardless its much to do about nothing but the US will milk it for all it is worth–not much good will come out of it for Iran.

    Thx
    Bill

  117. Unknown Unknowns says:

    VoT: The link is only to a 2-minute clip. Do let us know if there is a full version. But I guess you must have watched it live.

  118. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Fior Jan says, “But what do you wish to accomplish?”

    I wish to call a spade a spade!

    And as to WWKD? (What Would Khamenei Do?), well, I don’t know, but that’s why he’s El Supremo El Magnifico and I’m just a clown.

    But yes, Fior Jan: you get more bees with honey than with vinegar. Nonetheless, I wish there were a thousand more Greg Feltons in the world; then would George the Elder’s ‘Thousand Points of Light’ come to pass.

  119. James Canning says:

    Unknown Unknowns,

    Bilderberg was a group of well-educated men seeking to preserve peace in Europe after the Second World War.

    Aaron dykes claimed recently that the Bilderberg group favored Rick Perry! Seems preposterous. A badly-educated cowboy from Texas is not what would have been in favor five or six decades ago.

  120. James Canning says:

    BiBiJon,

    Yes, Rick Gladstone of NYT seems to want to give support to the existence of the so-called plot. Even if the entire thing was created by the US itself.

  121. BiBiJon says:

    spin, baby. Spin!

    Seeking Evidence, Iran Seems to Suggest Saudi Plot Not Impossible

    No Rick. They might ask for evidence, so that US obfuscation will be proof there is no evidence.

    “Iran’s foreign minister said Monday that it wanted to see the American evidence of an Iranian-hatched plot to assassinate Saudi Arabia’s ambassador in Washington, implicitly suggesting that it might not be a fiction created by the United States as his country has asserted since the scheme was first publicized nearly a week ago.”

    Latest gem from http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/18/world/middleeast/iran-says-it-wants-to-see-evidence-in-saudi-plot.html?_r=1&hpw

  122. James Canning says:

    Unknown Unknowns,

    I must have missed your question, re: Bilderberg group etc.

  123. James Canning says:

    BiBiJon,

    I agree with you, that fear-mongering in the US regarding Iran, arises from Iran’s attitude toward Israel.

  124. James Canning says:

    Oleg,

    American boneheads about Iran etc. are very numerous. That video sure captured a few of them.

  125. James Canning says:

    Steve Walt thinks Obama is being played by his advisers. Walt dot foreignpolicy dot com/blog

  126. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    UU,
    Thanks. The way I see it Americans have two genetic predispositions when faced with socio-economic collapse and endemic political corruption. The large majority turn towards nationalism, evangelicalism, xenophobia, racism and quasi fascism and a small minority turn towards progressive liberalism.

    Very few are willing to do what is logically most coherent which is breaking up this cursed union (I know in the propaganda movies they always end the speech with “…and may God bless America”- but really, it’s been cursed from the moment that first piece of land was stolen) and restarting on a regional, state and local level.

    I have no faith in OWS, Tea party or anything that still holds on to the illusion that the federal government has a role to play in fixing America’s problems.

  127. Oleg says:

    How come the special report on human rights could conduct a report while being refused entry?

    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/10/17/un_rips_irans_human_rights_record_in_new_report

    or is it the typical MEK-information that the report is built on?

  128. paul says:

    I agree fiorangelo. If we say soft and nice words to murderous bullies with hearts of stone, they will become nice and kind, and love will spread all through the world like fairy dust.

  129. Oleg says:

    What drives those lunatics? Contant fear and warmongering, does these dumb groupthinking-americans never stop and think before they keep ranting about “existential threats”. How many wars do they want to start? Psychos.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DYNaAgSn10

  130. fiorangela says:

    Unknown Unknowns at 3:04 pm,

    You make your point with exquisite logic; yes, it is logically appropriate to refer to a parasite as a parasite.

    But what do you wish to accomplish? Do you seek to solve a terrible problem and bring warring people across the river of their hatred to a peaceful shore, or do you wish to lay claim to the most compelling argument? Or, put another way, What would Khameini do? He doesn’t pull punches, but he doesn’t use language that is more likely to enflame, rather than mollify, the passions of the adversary.

  131. Voice of Tehran says:

    Wow !
    1 hour interview of Ahmadinejad with Al Jazeera , just 20 minutes ago , magnificent…

    http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/10/20111017193534935299.html

  132. Oleg says:

    Bibi john: Whatever one call the…landmass is insignificant, whats interesting is the impending threat by the political force “conquering” this “landmass”.

  133. BiBiJon says:

    Rehmat says:
    October 17, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    Great find!

    http://www.voltairenet.org/The-Sakineh-scandal

  134. BiBiJon says:

    Oleg says:
    October 17, 2011 at 3:18 pm

    bibi john: Why is it so significant how Iran refer to Israel?

    ————

    It matters a lot apparently. 99% of fear-mongering about Iran is premised on what Iran calls Israel.

  135. Oleg says:

    bibi john: Why is it so significant how Iran refer to Israel?

    Also putting up a timeline wont help us unless we have the power to use the term ‘certainty’ as the debate with “unknown unknowns” showed its futile. Since we could never be certain we could therefore never lay out a timeline.

  136. Unknown Unknowns says:

    James Canning says:
    October 17, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    Yes, James, but what about my question to you about your Bilderberger friend?

    Fess up, buddy. Its showtime!

  137. Rehmat says:

    Unknown Unknowns – Thierry Meyssan visited Iran to investigate the case of Sakineh Mohammad-Ashtanni – which he stated was a brainchild of French Jewish scholar Bernard-Henri Levy.

    Voltaire has published my blog twice in the past.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/irans-sakineh-affair/

  138. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Fior Jaan:

    Thank you for the link to Raico’s book, as well as for your valued comments on Felton. I really must make time to read Raico’s book, or at least the chapter on starvation, and the concluding chapter on the war of 1939, which the whole book, I imagine, acts as a prelude to.

    As to parasite, etc., I’m not sure I agree with you. I mean, you gotta call a spade a spade (if you’ll excuse yet *another* racist expression :D ) I have not read the book either but I stand on the principle that you have to call them as you see them. If you grant, in other words, for the sake of making my point, that Zionism (he does not refer to Jews; and Zionism is decidedly NOT a subset of Judaism) and Zionist forces are in fact parasitical entities (i.e., they have a certain set of attributes that makes them behave parasitically, and thus, makes labeling them as such kosher – he he ), then, it is not only OK to call them parasites, but it is necessary to do so, even if the label is offensive. If this statement were true, “All salesmen are liars, or better yet, All Iranian second-hand car dealers are compulsive liars, especially losers with MEK connections,” then it is OK and even necessary to so state, no? Surely the genocide/ other/ etc. filter comes after the truth filter, which must trump. My understanding is that the spade is a spade, and it *always* trumps the heart ;o)

  139. BiBiJon says:

    Oleg says:
    October 17, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    bibi john: I didnt understand your question, could you rephrase it?

    ————–

    Iranian officials variously refer to Israel as a stain on the page of time which will disappear (not wiped off), or the ‘Zionist entity’.

    You have laid out a comprehensive argument that all the ducks are lined up for Israel to attack Iran. Israeli officials, their supporters in the USG and MSM do not go 24 hours without advocating or at least green-lighting, and/or threatening that Israel will/should attack. This has been going on for long time — ‘red lines’ have been declared, and crossed many many times over the past 10 years.

    Now, if Israel who keeps threatening, has the fire power, and the green light from formers of public opinion, nevertheless does not pluck up the courage to start a war with Iran … then should Iranian officials ever bother refer to that country by any nomenclature? Should they regard it as a ‘non-entity’ and refer to it such?

    If you can put a timeline to your prediction, then maybe we can look for that change of tone from Iran. E.g. if you were to say Israel will attack before the year’s out, then we can listen in and see what Iranian officials call Israel after January 1st. Will they start referring to it as ‘that non-entity?’

  140. James Canning says:

    CBS News reported today that Iran may cooperate in assassination probe. Would make excellent sense for Iran to help expose the conspiracy.

  141. James Canning says:

    Unknown Unknowns,

    Yes, the American people are grossly ignorant, and grossly ignorant intentionally.

    This situation threatens the national security of the nation because obviously it is exploited by the Israeli government and the numerous whores and stooges of the Israel lobby in the US Congrress.

  142. James Canning says:

    Fiorangela,

    The links between Israeli armaments billionaires and the recently-resigned defence secretary of the UK are interesting to examine. And links to American neocons with links to Israeli armaments manufacturers. We should remember here that industrial espionage by Israeli commercial interests, in the “defence” arena, tend not to be prosecuted in the US.

  143. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Smith:

    First off, a big welcome to you. Your insight into the Argentina shenanigans Team Weasel tried to pull is much appreciated.

    But as to “It seems people have really grown up to US deceptive ways.” I’m afraid I am going to have to disagree with you. So it would see, yes. But alas, methinks the somnolence of the American sheeple will continue and the “Occupy” movement will peter out.

  144. Listening to Ray McGovern on Antiwar Radio MP3. Scott Horton asks him directly, is it possible Obama IS that corrupt as to be behind this sort of thing. McGovern says he’s come a long way in the last three years, but he’s not there yet – but he thinks that’s definitely an alternate explanation and may well be true.

    He’ll learn.

    One thing he does believe is that Obama is a weak President, hemmed in by “non-adult advisers”, and listens to people telling him all this stupid crap, and he’s afraid Obama will support an Israeli attack on Iran if Netanyahu can provoke Iran militarily to generate a casus belli.

    Personally I don’t buy it. I remain convinced that Obama is lined up front and center and salutes smartly whenever he’s told to do what the military-industrial complex and the Israel Lobby wants him to do as long as he gets something – political power – in return. He’s not being out-maneuevered by Netanyahu – he’s SUPPORTING Netanyahu but in a duplicitous way that allows him to appear to be “reasonable” and “sympathetic” to the Palestinian side. But it’s all a scam.

    And sooner or later that will become obvious to everyone, just as it became obvious that George Bush – Senior AND Junior – was owned and operated by the oil companies and the Saudis.

    The day the bombs start falling on Iran, you’ll find out who Obama really is.

  145. Fara says:

    A senior Pakistani intelligence official says the man at the center of an alleged plot to kill a Saudi diplomat in Washington had received forged identity documents from the Israeli intelligence agency, Mossad.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/205085.html

  146. James Canning says:

    Fiorangela,

    Yes, South Carolina did induce Boeing to build a plant there. And the decision has cost Beoing billions of dollars due to complications having the plant in SC caused.

    I have a hunch that pleasing powerful politicians who favor endless war and gargantuan “defence” budgets played a role in the decision. Another oreason was no or weaker unions, lower wages, etc.

  147. Oleg says:

    bibi john: I didnt understand your question, could you rephrase it?

  148. smith says:

    don’t trust Israel lobby and its stooges says:
    October 17, 2011 at 11:37 am

    Also lets not forget Argentina is where all Nazi retired in. So for them to blame Iran is a bit silly. Read my posts below for the rest.

  149. fiorangela says:

    James Canning at 1:00 pm wrote:

    “Scheuer said that Senators Lindsey Graham, Joe Lieberman and the US Conbgress “are owned by the Israels” and he reminds the viewing audience that the US has fought two wars to further Israeli interests.”

    Not only has US fought wars to further Israeli interests, in Sen. Lindsey Graham’s state, Israelis are taking highly skilled jobs at aeronautic plants (possibly the Boeing plant included).

    Last July, Reuters correspondent Pedro da Costa fielded calls concerning US employment & jobs prospects, which he characterized as “thin.” He was pretty pessimistic throughout the interview, except when responding to a caller from Myrtle Beach, SC, (at about 9 min.) who reported that “we’ve got the jobs . . .but the J Visa people are coming in . . .from Israel and Russia . . .and they’re taking all the jobs.” da Costa questioned whether those jobs are going to “foreign nationals” because the local labor force does not have the skills, but the caller had already been disconnected. da Costa said he was “glad that’s the case.”

    Not sure exactly what da Costa was glad about. In the past ten days, a professor of economics at Rochester Institute of Technology appeared on NPR to discuss employment prospects for engineers and computer scientists. He stated that there are plenty of highly skilled American workers available to fill job openings, but that employers prefer to hire foreign nationals for a variety of reasons — they are cheaper; the employer controls the visa, and can yank a visa if he wants to get rid of an employee; foreign governments have established personnel agencies in the US that establish political relationships, then dominate the labor markets in those areas, etc.

  150. smith says:

    I hereby congratulate every one for debunking this latest war mongering fabrication and deceit. The episode has failed and almost no one has believed it as all polls and the way it is being reported by majority of news agencies around the world. It has failed to become a media frenzy just like Iraq debacle or Vietnam debacle became with their respective fabrications. It seems people have really grown up to US deceptive ways. I also thank Iranian government for their logical and reasonable statements denying these fabricated charges.

    don’t trust Israel lobby and its stooges says:
    October 17, 2011 at 11:37 am

    As I had said in my first comment here, Iran could not have been behind Argentina bombings and most probably those bombings were false flag operation. But since there was no internet back then and 9/11 & Iraq war had not yet happened people readily believed whatever US said and it whatever came out of the mouth of a US government it was regarded as facts and truth. We now know better so we can go back in history and revise it to search for truth.

  151. James Canning says:

    Iran’s foreign minister said today that the so-called plot was “lies cooked up to deceive the world community and inflate the political ballyhoo”.

    “Iran to probe US plot charge”.

    http://rt.com/iran-washington-plot-probe-009/

    Salehi appears to be completely correct in his statement.

  152. LOYAL says:

    According to Mehrnews , Shakuri is MEK member.
    http://www.mehrnews.com/fa/newsdetail.aspx?NewsID=1435943

  153. James Canning says:

    Catherine Ashton of the EU has condemned the latest announcement of a new large illegal Jewish colony in the West Bank. How many US Senators and Congressmen will join her? Any? But then, they have just read the Israeli ambassador’s idiotic claim in the Washington Post that the illegal colonies of Jews in the West Bank “are not the problem”!

  154. James Canning says:

    kooshy,

    Good story by Esam Al-Amin you linked (“The implausibility of an Iranian plot”).

    Yet many of the whores and stooges of the Israel lobby in the US Congress demand a robust US “response” to a conspiracy it appears the US itself concocted.

  155. Kaveh Afrasiabi has it right:

    “Still, the so-called realists and neo-realists in international relations who find it improbable that the US would attack Iran due to high costs and the regional ramifications may put too much faith in the rationality of decision-making in the United States, which at times believes its own lies and succumbs to the irrationality of expelling the cost-benefit mode of reasoning in favor of a blind power approach rooted in psychological insecurity.”

    Except even he doesn’t get it – the real reason is CORRUPTION to the CORE.

  156. James Canning says:

    BiBiJon,

    Gareth Porter clearly is right about the danger to American security posed by false narratives. And those false narratives are created and nourished by warmongering stooges of the Israel lobby in the US Congress, news media, etc etc etc. Why? Because they are rewarded for being whores and stooges, subverting the national security of the people the congressmen and senators claim to represent.

  157. James Canning says:

    Clint,

    Thanks for link to video interview of Michael Scheuer on Fox Business. Scheuer said that Senators Lindsey Graham, Joe Lieberman and the US Conbgress “are owned by the Israels” and he reminds the viewing audience that the US has fought two wars to further Israeli interests.

    the interveiwer asks whether the US Justice Dept. “was played like a fiddle by foreign governments” – - meaning Israel and Saudi Arabia.

  158. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Bussed-in Basiji:

    Let me be the first to welcome you back.

    Aqa, diruz doost, emruz ashna. Kojaa-ee to, baba??

  159. don't trust Israel lobby and its stooges says:

    {I too noted that Hillary Mann essentially conceded that Iran was behind the Buenos Aires bombing in the CNN interview (not directly, but through its support of Hezbollah). My understanding is that that has never been established. I’m always willing to assume that Hillary knows more than I on such matters, but I must say it surprised me that she conceded Iran’s involvement.}

    Eric Brill:

    You are right. people should not trust people who worked closely with neocons and ISRAEL LOBBY.

  160. Rehmat says:

    Zionists false-flag operations – from used-car salesman to the ‘Green Revolution’.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2010/11/05/zionists-chutzpah-and-ahmadinejad/

  161. Rehmat says:

    Fiorangela – Felton is a Zionist liar and anti-German bigot. It were Jewish groups which declared war on Germany in 1933 – even before the rise of Hitler.

    http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html

  162. Fiorangela says:

    Unknown Unknown, Felton has the facts wrong regarding the inception of the Jewish boycott on Germany (first minute here- :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fciGuTYMXyc&feature=related )

    Perhaps the scenario Felton recited about the boycott is taken from Edwin Black’s book, which Felton cited, and which, I acknowledge, I’ve not read. My understanding of the Jewish boycott of Germany is that Samuel Untermyer drove the implementation of a ‘blockade’ of Germany with the goal of totally crippling Germany’s economy and causing another round of the starvation that Germans suffered in 1916-17, and again in 1923. Felton would do well to review some of Ralph Raico’s writing, on the allied blockade of Germany which caused the starvation to death of over 750,000 Germans, (see Great Wars and Great Leaders,, esp. ch. 9. Starving a People into Submission). The British, Americans, and Israel have used starvation of innocent civilians numerous times in past century, and Israel and the US are still enamored of the tactic: Ephraim Sneh told an AIPAC assemblage that Iran’s leaders should be forced to fear that their 70 million people would starve, and US Congressman Mark Kirk recently said “It’s okay to take food from the mouths of the citizens of Iran,” :http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/10/12/342194/kirk-food-from-mouths-iran/

    Felton would also would do well to review Etan Bloom’s dissertation on “Arthur Ruppin and the Production of Hebrew Culture in Palestine,” which discusses the eugenic theories that Ruppin incorporated into “Hebrew culture” in Palestine. Once THAT notion is taken aboard, Felton might wish to grapple with the implications of Israel’s assassination of Hungarian Jewish activist Rudolf Kastner.

    It’s also hard to support Felton’s vigorous defense of the title of his book; he had to know how offensive it would be perceived to associate “parasite” with ANY subset of Jewish people. It’s just as offensive, and for the same reason, as Benjamin Netanyahu’s depiction of leadership in Palestine as “crocodiles,” in his speech at United Nations last month.

    The reason that it is offensive to label any group as a “parasite” or a “crocodile” is that, as Gregory Stanton has outlined, it acts to dehumanize the Other, which is a step in the continuum of genocide. :http://drb.lifestreamcenter.net/Lessons/genocide/8_stages.htm (nb. Stanton has done good work, but he’s resting on his laurels and locked into the strenuously protected narrative of holocaust, such that he seems incapable of applying the Stages of Genocide protocol to US and Israel actions against Palestinians, Iraqis, Afghanis, and Iranians.

  163. Clint says:

    The past record of Sting Operations like the Iran-Mexico-Used_car_dealer plot:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/08/nyregion/defendant-in-bronx-synagogue-bombing-plot-is-sentenced.html

    quote from New York Times article above:

    “United States District Judge Colleen McMahon said Wednesday in Manhattan that she was not proud of the government’s role in nurturing the plot and criticized its handling of the case.

    “The government made them terrorists,” she said.

  164. Fiorangela says:

    Unknown Unknowns, thank you for the link to Greg Felton’s speech. Here’s the Q&A that followed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueYwAHBztnE&feature=related

    The first Questioner challenged Felton’s assertion that Israel provoked the 1967 war. He said that that assertion made as much sense as to claim that US provoked Hitler to wage war.

    On that score, read the first paragraphs of the prologue to a biography of Cissy Patterson here, :http://www.amazon.com/Newspaper-Titan-Infamous-Monumental-Patterson/dp/0375411003/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1318855481&sr=8-1#reader_0375411003

  165. Bussed-in Basiji says:

    Supreme Leader: US Regime, Most Isolated Government
    english.khamenei.ir//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1541&Itemid=2

    Supreme Leader Warns America Against Wrong Move
    english.khamenei.ir//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1542&Itemid=2

  166. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Castellio, Fior, & BiBiJon, in particular will enjoy these 30 minutes:

    http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-8837369042689008393

    It’s funny, though I had come across references to his book, “The host and the Parasite”, I had not discovered Greg Felton until a half hour ago, when a friend emailed me this link to a talk he gave in Feb 2008 in Vancouver. And it’s funny because of how close his and my take are on what has happened to the United States over the last generation. He is much more articulate in painting the big picture, of course. And he identifies three groups, like I have, with some differences. He points to the Evangelicals, the Straussians (or Neocons) and the Zionist Jews, whereas I have identified, as some of you will recognize, in the pages of this forum, the International Bankers (overwhelmingly Jewish “merchant” bankers, financiers of corporations and governments, the private interests who profit from spinning the web of debt for both the private citizenry and more importantly, their sovereign representative, the Government of the United States), the military-industrial-congressional complex (the captains of industry and their boardroom and congressional minions; war profiteers who balloon that public debt to private interests by sucking on the teat of the ever-expanding “defense” budget) , and the ideology that provides the justification and threadbare veneer of respectability to the vector and fans the flames that have engulfed this nation, from Christian Dominionist Zionists to Jewish Zionists, to Neocon Zionists: in a word, Zionism.

    Well, as I say, Mr. Felton is much more eloquent than I can ever be in summing up the history of how this country went from a republic to a “proto-fascist empire”. Highly recommended and well worth your time.

  167. Clint says:

    FROM THE C.I.A.:

    The ex-head of the Osama bin Laden Unit at the CIA on who may have been behind the Iran-Mexico-Used-Car-Dealer Plot:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftIFudfnvgg

  168. kooshy says:

    Is interesting that Bloomberg has unlashed plain cloth security personnel to contain the street protest
    http://www.farsnews.com/media.php?nn=13900724001470

    ای کشته کرا کشتی تا کشته شوی باز

  169. kooshy says:

    Where is our illustrious professor Scott Lucas is he reporting this, does he have the same well informed sources on the ground as he did for the Iranian elections, or this time around his humanitarian conscious is keeping him quite , I am fully LOL (in internet terms)

    http://www.farsnews.com/media.php?nn=13900724001470

  170. kooshy says:

    Stuff has hit the fan for the US’s political structural system; we are in for a fun to watch and equally rough elections this coming year, sounds it would be hard to put back this jenny in the box.

    http://www.farsnews.com/media.php?nn=13900724001470

  171. kooshy says:

    An interesting plausible analysis

    The implausibility of an Iranian plot

    By Esam Al-Amin

    http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-implausibility-of-an-I-by-Esam-Al-Amin-111014-560.html

  172. BiBiJon says:

    assassination plot! Isolate Iran! Are you deaf?

    “Turkey is planning to open a total of nine new border crossings with Iran, Iraq and Georgia over the next two years to facilitate booming trade with its neighbors.”

    http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=turkey-plans-new-border-gates-with-iran-iraq-georgia-2011-10-16

  173. Unknown Unknowns says:

    … and what their targets will be if not Bushehr and Natanz!

  174. BiBiJon says:

    Oleg,

    So, with all this window of opportunity, and historical precedence, and what not, if Israel fails to find the necessary gumption to go bonkers with their bunkerbusters, can Iranian leaders start referring to that stain on the page of time as the ‘non-entity’, as opposed to the Zionist entity?

    Do you wish to be as bold as Jeffery Goldberg and put a timeline, and a percentage probability on the fantasy?

  175. BiBiJon says:

    A prediction becomes an aphorism.

    “If progressives don’t begin treating the problem of falsified narratives as an institutional imperative of the national security state for state enemies, we are doomed to witness the repetition of this [lying to be in line with predetermined policy] pattern over and over again.”

    Gareth Porter, January 22, 2008

    The 1994 Buenos Aires Bombing and Our False Narrative Problem
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-gareth-porter/the-1994-buenos-aires-bom_b_82725.html

  176. amir says:

    Former Ben Laden hunt in an interview with Freedom watch (fox business)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GHqfuXl31YY

  177. Fara says:

    Syria seizes Israeli weapons

    The Syrian envoy to the regional grouping of the Arab League (AL) made this announcement at an emergency meeting in the 22-member-body’s headquarters in the Egyptian capital of Cairo on Sunday.

    Youssef Ahmad said, “They are Israeli made automatic weapons. This is proven and we’ll show it on TV channels,” Syrian state television reported.

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/204997.html

  178. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Clint: good one! And if they timed it correctly, they could take out a bunch of other high-value Amerikan targets and write them off as ‘collateral damage’.

  179. Clint says:

    Eric Brill, (or others)

    Since you are a lawyer, would it have been OK if (say the plot was real) Iran used drones to take out the ambassador?

    This ambassador (according to wikileaks) is the same dude who called for taking out the “head of the snake” with reference to Iran’s leaders and thus is an enemy combatant and terrorist threat to Iran.

    -Clint

  180. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Empty:

    Fascinating! I am transfixed, waiting for the next installment!

  181. Empty says:

    Part II

    To better understand Iranian government’s assertion that this Hajj massacre was pre-planned and coordinated by the Saudis (and foreign governments & agents) and evaluate the evidence, it is important to discuss the role various entities played.

    1. That year, the person in charge of the security and counter-terrorism units in Mecca was a Jewish German officer by the name of Ulrich Wegener. He also happens to be the same guy who entered into Iran under a “journalist” cover for Germany’s ZDF and collected geographic data for the failed Tabas incident (failed US delta force rescue mission to get the hostages). He was the man in charge of “security” in Mecca that day and the guards who attacked the pilgrims could not have acted on their own but under direct order from above.

    On Thursday, 1 day before that bloody day, the hospitals and clinics announce that they will not be able to receive any Iranian pilgrim for any medical needs on Friday (the next day). About 1 hour before the Iranian pilgrims begin their gathering, the large gates to the locations where Palestinians and Jordanian pilgrims were set up get locked. No one had permission to go in or out of those camps. In prior years, police and security agents usually would line up on two sides of the street in parallel with the movement of the crowd. That day and that hour, the police and the guard begin to accumulate in front and in the back of the crowd such that if the crowd wanted to move either forward or backward on the street, they would inevitably run into a mass of security and police forces. In previous years, they had parked cars interspersed all along the length of the street so that the cars would create pockets of division among the crowd. That year, they had actually blocked any cars from entering that street altogether. No car could get in or get out. In previous years, the police would be interspersed among the pilgrims and would take any books and flyers they might be holding but that day, the police force was completely out of the crowd and had circled the crowd. After the massacre, the worldwide media, except for select few European ones, remained mum about the whole event [It would be interesting to find clips from those few and find out which ones they were—other than the one officially shown by the Saudi’s, of course].

    2. A. Sabetipour in a book titled “Mojahedin Khalq Organization: From Start to End [2] which includes a collection of essays from MEK publications and journal (Mojahed) essays, interviews, videos and photographs and confessions of former members published in Europe, states as follows:

    “In 1366 (1987), Saudi Arabia began communicating with Iran and showing interest in discussing unresolved issues and repairing some of the old conflicts. This was happening at a time when Iraq-Iran war was at its peak. Closeness of Iran and Saudi Arabia was neither in the interest of Saddam Regime nor in the interest of MEK, both of which had been and were receiving generous financial support from the Saudis to fight Iran. To ensure the two countries stay apart, they saw it befitting to concoct a plan that would make rapprochement impossible.”

    “Based on a former member of MEK, Masoud Rajavi (the head of MEK) found the occasion of Hajj that year a perfect opportunity to carry out the plan. Sobhani (a former MEK member) in his book called: روزهای تاریک بغداد [The Dark Days in Bagdad], a confession, puts a photograph of Masoud Rajavi along with Abbas Davari, Alireza Babakhani, Muhammad Hossein Al-Mohhadethin, Alireza Sadr, and Reza Doroudi (all MEK’s foreign and security relation officials). The caption of the photograph reads: ‘The photograph above is Masoud Rajavi’s trip to Mecca at the same time as “the Mecca Chaos” This photograph was first published on the cover of Mojahed [MEK’s official publication] on Esfand 16, 1379 announcing that Masoud had made a pilgrimage to Mecca on 1366. It is puzzling why this photograph has been kept hidden for 13 years.’”

    “To prepare for the operation, the members began to grow beards [MEK members grew mustaches and not beards]. The equipment, ammunition, explosives, and [Imam] Khomeini’s photograph, preparation of passports and appropriate hajj visas were all the responsibility of the Iraqi security officials. At the airport, the Iraqi Hajj group were not searched by the Saudi security officials. Abbas Davari (Rahman) was in charge of the group. The Iraqi faction was headed by Sarvan Khaled. An important issue needing to be worked out was when and where to have the MEK agents mix themselves with the Iranian pilgrims as Iranians were moving as a ‘caravan’ which made it difficult.”

    “Videos of documents obtained by Iran after the fall of Saddam in 2003 shows some detailed discussions taking place between Abbas Davari and an Iraqi security officer. The following is a segment of the script:

    Iraqi Security Officer (ISO): where would the forces come from and how do we obtain visas for them?

    Abbas Davari (AD): In Jeddeh where all pilgrims have to make the first stop. Our specific agents are not in Iraq now.

    ISO: We could issue Iraqi passports for them and send them along with the hajj caravans. Each person will have one passport and they will return the passports after the operation. We have no other choice.

    AD: For security reasons and because of the sensitivity of the matter, it’s better for them [MEK agents] to go to another country after the operation and then come to Iraq from there.

    ISO: Because they will be going with Iraqi caravans, they cannot be on the return list. Saudi Arabia keeps a list of people in each caravan and will check them on exit. Once they are back here, they could go from Ba’aseh and then return their passports to specific locations elsewhere.

    AD: Our members need to infiltrate into the Iranian camps and stay with them day and night so that they would appear to be part of those groups.”

    To be continued…………

  182. Unknown Unknowns says:

    James:

    I’ve been meaning to ask you since you mentioned it: Pray do tell us mere mortals of your friend’s Bilderberger friend. And do expand on your implicit endorsement of that nefarious clique. Are you out of your freakin’ mind? Have you lost it? Seriously. You basically stated that the Bilderberg Group was a force for good. WTF??? I’m surprised no-one else called you on that.

  183. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Emmmm, not to ask the obvious, but…

    What exactly would Israel attack? Bushehr is online, so that’s out. And the centrifuges at Natanz have been moved to a facility carved out of a mountain which is immune to the bunker busters delivered recently by Team Weasel to The Knat that wags that dog’s tail. Just askin’.

  184. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Empty:
    Thank you very much for reminding us all of how truly evil the Saudis are, and what an evil thing it is that a non-Moslem aberrant sect, the Wahhabites, has taken control of the House of God, and is kept their by their evil accomplices, Team Weasel.

    Would that the world was rid of both of these evil entities, O Lord, together with their spiritual brethren, the Godless Jews that occupy Palestine. Increase the number of the God-fearing anti-Zionist Jews, O Lord, so that they are once again in a majority in their Nation.

    Ameen.

  185. Unknown Unknowns says:

    kooshy says:
    October 16, 2011 at 1:48 pm

    The buck stops at Congress (both chambers), who have a duty to impeach presidents for their failure to abide by the law. Unfortunately, they too have drunk the Jewish Kool Aid, and are just as drunk at the wheel. The ZOG virus is not isolated and discreet; its systemic, which is why this House is going down, like a termite-infested house come the first gale-force wind.

  186. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Eric A. Brill says:
    October 16, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    Eric, the above post was insightful, as usual. It reaffirmed in me an idea held for almost 20 years now that the idea of an objective press is just another Enlightenment mirage, like the idea of international law (which, to my mind, is a contradiction in terms: national boundaries or limits are the self same limits of the laws of those nations; there in, never has been and never will be a meta-nation.)

    Just to be sure that liberals are under no illusions about the treading underfoot of international “norms” being limited to George the Younger’s White House, God, in His wisdom, had Barry “White” Obama’s White House not only continue the old process of the shredding up of “international law”, but accelerating it in the case of the use of drones and the violation of national sovereignty thereby, but also introducing new elements, such as the extra-judicial murder of her own citizens.

    And to give you an example of what I mean by the futility of looking for and expecting an “objective” press, even KPFA, which is the flagship of the Pacifica pubic radio network, the most “free-thinking” and “liberal” and “objective” of US news sources parrots the Pentagon when they say “Nine Al-Qa’ida-linked terrorists were killed in a drone attack today in Yemen…” How do they know they were Al-Qa’ida-linked? Because my country said so. How do they know they were terrorists, even if that alleged linkage were true? They don’t, but say it anyway. Are the Yemeni citizenry less deserving of a trial by jury? If so, why? Why does the US not cooperate with Pakistani and Yemeni police authorities to bring these alleged terrorists to trial? Because they would be laughed out of Pakistani and Yemeni courts, just as a grand jury would laugh them out of any court here in the US. Because it’s no longer any fun to kill native Americans as they have all pretty much been killed, and Gorby spoiled the Red Menace game, so the Cowboys at the helm of the ship of state have to go get them some A-rabs and Muuuuslims. And it matters not one whit whether the administration is Republican or Democratic. Why bring a possible terrorist to trial if you can drone the towel-head to Kingdom Come? Eeeeeeeeeeeeee-haaaaaaaaa!

    God help this country when the party is finally over and it wakes up to its massive hangover from its drunken gallivantings.

  187. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Eric: this line in that little skit gave me a good chuckle:

    We ran into trouble on this Saudi ambassador thing when people starting asking us for evidence, right? Who’d have ever thought that would happen?

  188. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Rehmat et al:

    “Sarkozy told the Patriarch that these western powers will soon intervene militarily in Syria to establish the Muslim Brothers as the leaders of the country. The Christians of the Orient, who would lose their place in society, would then have to prepare themselves for the exodus and could find refuge in Europe.”

    *

    I first came across this in that piece from voltairnet.org I linked a day or two ago. I think this is a very significant find of Thiery Meyssan’s. God only knows what Sarkozy and NATO are thinking. No doubt they are up to no good as usual in lands they have no business sticking their brown noses into.

  189. Persian Gulf says:

    fyi1 says:
    October 16, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    yes, I know, but it seems he doesn’t need that type of parliamentary system. probably he has taken the notes from Jordan or even China’s system. obviously having a president is too much of a hassle for him. 3 different personalities and 3 times of open and hidden confrontation. he just gave up it seems. with this new system, he only needs to control one branch that its members will not be empowered by the populace to the degree to feel they can object an order. holding an election of that magnitude is also risky, to be fair. I think, soon we will see a lot of talk on the TV regarding the benefit of this system. sounds like Majles’ sign few weeks ago was directed from his office.

    the link has another very important point, in my view. he talked about youth, a energetic system and the necessity of renewing the system. I guess he is contemplating the possibility of a young leader to come after him. any other guess? otherwise, why should he talk about this issue? the rest of the system does not really need that preposition. I assume the president is relatively young. and the parliament doesn’t need this definition.

  190. James Canning says:

    Humanist,

    Yes, that was a good report by Jodie Ensor of the Daily Telegraph (and by the Independent). I am glad David Cameron did not go to his “right wing” for a replacement for Liam Fox at defence.

  191. James Canning says:

    On McLaughlin Group this week, the host asked why Iran should not be allowed to have nuclear power when many countries all over the world have nuclear power. Morrt Zuckerman sputtered when he heard this. And Zuckerman almost jumped out of his chair when he was asked what Netanyahu thought about the Saudi ambassador “assassination plot”.

  192. James Canning says:

    Oleg,

    Hezbollah leaders have said their organisation will not attack Israel unless Israel attacks first. However, Israel is unlikely to attack Iran, on its own, while Hezbollah is strong. A number of Israeli military and intelligence officials (or past officials) say Israel could not take out Iran’s entire nuclear programme with an attack.

  193. fyi1 says:

    Persian Gulf says: October 16, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    For that, you need functioning political parties; which Iran does not have.

    The post of the Head of State will still be there but will no longer be the cheif executive.

  194. Humanist says:

    CORRECTION: In the case Hajj incident in Saudi Arabia, instead of

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_%E2%80%93_Saudi_Arabia_relations#The_1987_Hajj_Incident

    I referred to the following wrong link

    ,http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-foxs-best-man-and-his-ties-to-irans-opposition-2371352.html

    My apologies to James and those who read my post on Oct. 16, 12:37pm

  195. Humanist says:

    Eric, Fiorangela,

    Iran has always denied involvement in Buenos Aires Bombings.

    Gareth Porter’s research approves that claim,: See:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-gareth-porter/the-1994-buenos-aires-bom_b_82725.html

  196. Persian Gulf says:

    تغییر نظام سیاسی از ریاستی به پارلمانی درآینده احتمالا دور مشکلی ندارد

    http://www.mehrnews.com/fa/newsdetail.aspx?NewsID=1434581

  197. Fiorangela,

    I too noted that Hillary Mann essentially conceded that Iran was behind the Buenos Aires bombing in the CNN interview (not directly, but through its support of Hezbollah). My understanding is that that has never been established. I’m always willing to assume that Hillary knows more than I on such matters, but I must say it surprised me that she conceded Iran’s involvement.

  198. Oleg says:

    Unknown unknowns:

    Well I have never claimed certainty.
    Base israeli attack on ‘certainty’ is obviously something one shouldnt do, no one could be ‘certain’ of anything unless you are in the specific group that are about to commit something (in this case israeli gov/intelligence). They are certain, we are not and would never be. Israel could strike Iran next minute.

    Lets base our analysis on facts on the ground, empirical evidence and israeli history, that is – typical scientific approach.

    Why wouldnt Israel attack in the very near future if one asked you? What points against such a move taking in regard the points I made earlier?

  199. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Oleg:

    I said no such thing. My original question to you was prompted by your CERTAINTY about the attack. That’s all. I was just asking what made you CERTAIN. I guess you didn’t understand my question, as you have not answered it. Your many points might or might not make such an attack LIKELY, but it does not make it CERTAIN. Many of us here at RFI think that such an attack is possible and indeed likely. I think that the Israelis are foolish enough or ideologically hung-up enough to attempt such a foolish and dangerous move, but I don’t know whether it is likely or not. What is certain is that at this juncture, such an eventuality is not CERTAIN, which is what you had stated in your original post.

  200. fiorangela says:

    what a concept:

    While the United States is a very close ally, its commercial and other interests are not always identical to UK interests.

    Israel is not a military ally of the UK. There are often tensions between its interests in the Middle East and the UK’s interests, as in the attack on the Gaza Aid convoy which resulted in the death of Turkish citizens. Turkey is an ally of the UK, being a vital member of NATO.

    . . .

    The British Defence Secretary should be exclusively concerned with the interests only of Britain.
    ‘It is plain as a pikestaff that Fox had retained his effective partnership with Werritty in lobbying activities that not only were concerned with Israel and Sri Lanka, but which actively sought to promote the geo-strategic interests of those countries – for money.’”

    Was Mossad using Fox Werrity as Useful Idiots?

    h/t Gilad Atzmon

  201. Rehmat says:

    It seems Sarkozy and Recep Tayyip Erdogan have arranged a ‘marriage of profit’ with Suadi-supported anti-Shia Salafi militants. In Libya the new rebel rulers, the National Transitional Council (NTC), has signed a deal with France, offering 35% of its oil reserves in appreciation for Sarkozy’s bombing of pro-Qaddafi Libyan soldiers and civilians. The NTC has even invited an Israel-British Jewish millionaire to join the new government. Erdogan, on his part, has recognized rebel government and even paid an official visit to Benghazi.

    Last month, Erdogan offered Bashar al-Assad Turkey’s support for his regime if Assad give four ministerial posts to Syrian Muslim Brotherhood which is banned since Ba’athist regime took power in Damascus in 1963.

    Israel and the American Jewish Lobby is scared to death even the thought of Muslim Brotherhood coming in power in Egypt, Jordan and Syria. However, behind the door, Tel Aviv is courting Syrian Muslim Brotherhood. On July 4, a conference of Syrian anti-regime groups was held in Saint-Germain in France. The meeting was attended by 200 people representing none of the Syrian groups calling for reforms in Syria – the ‘Democratic change in Syria’. The meeting was organized by La Regle du Jeu (The Rule of the Game) magazine and website which is headed by Zionist Jew Bernard-Henri Levy. The other Zionist Jews who attended the meeting included Bernard Kouchner, former French foreign minister, Frederik Ansel, a member of Israel’s ruling Likud Party, Alex Goldfarb, former Knesset member and adviser to Israeli defense minister Ehud Barak and Andre Glucksmann, an Islamophobe French writer.

    On September 5, 2011 – the Crypto-Jew, Nicolas Sarkozy met the Maronite Patriarch at the Elysee Palace and told him that the Western powers (France, Germany, the US and UK) are planning the expulsion of Christian minorities from the Muslim East. Sarkozy told the Patriarch that these western powers will soon intervene militarily in Syria to establish the Muslim Brothers as the leaders of the country. The Christians of the Orient, who would lose their place in society, would then have to prepare themselves for the exodus and could find refuge in Europe.

    The Syrians responded Sarkozy by holding a 700,000-strong pro-Bashar rally in Damascus while some protesters shouting slogans and holding up an Arabic placard which read:”Listen Sarkozy you checked the Syrian people’s DNA and you found cells of honors that you don’t have“.

    http://rehmat2.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/sarkozy-wants-muslim-brotherhood-in-syria/

  202. Fiorangela says:

    Eric Brill @ 1:31:

    Miller and Katzman are part of what I call the Aquinas wing of neoconservativism. Aquinas held that only God is an uncaused cause; Miller & Katzman permit themselves to make assertions that require no causal connections; they are godlike uncaused causes.

    related tangentially:

    It’s noteworthy that in her Oct 12, 2011, appearance on CNN, when the moderator posed the Buenos Aires bombing as a “parallel” of Iranian acts of terror that have no apparent rationale, Hillary Leverett restructured the reference: she responded that that bombing was linked to Israel’s assassination of a Lebanese leader a year earlier. (at 1:24 –> )

    However, in so doing, Dr. Leverett left on the table the implication that Iran was, indeed, responsible for the bombing in Buenos Aires.

  203. Oleg says:

    James:

    I dont see Hizbollah being especially more powerful, atleast its not a existential threat to Israel or more concrete, I dont see Hizbollah sorta fending off an attack on Iran. Also, at the same time, while most lebanese approve Hizbollah’s fight against israeli occupation and aggression towards southern Lebanon, they wont cheer if Hizbollah start firing rockets on Israel in case Israel pick a fight with Iran. Hizbollah was politically dependent on Iran in its early stage in the 80s, now its dependent on lebanese people and must respect their views if they want to have their power in the lebanese goverment.

  204. James Canning says:

    Karen Greenberg has some pertinent observations (“The FBI-style sting in the tail of the Saudi ambassador ‘assassination plot’”). She notes: “If this counter-terror operation used entrapment techniques, then law enforement is wagging the tail of US foreign policy on Iran.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/oct/13/fbi-sting-saudi-ambassador-assassination-plot

  205. James Canning says:

    Oleg,

    Israel would be most reluctant to start a war with Iran when Hezbollah is in a strong position in Lebanon.

  206. Empty says:

    Very well then, if we must go down the history lane and establish a pattern of behavior (again)….

    Part I

    Right after the victory of the Islamic Revolution, the Saudi regime began its illegal mistreatment of Iranian pilgrims. They regularly arrested, keep in detention, and even tortured Iranian pilgrims between 1357 [1979] until Friday, Mordad 9th, 1366 [July 31, 1987]. Every time, however, Saudi government dismissed official Iranian government’s objections by stating that those were all “isolated incidents” and without the knowledge of Saudi government officials in charge of Hajj affairs. On Mordad 9th 1366 @6:40pm right after the Iranian gathering in a Mecca location had ended and the pilgrims were heading to their designated tents, the Saudi guards began a coordinated attack on the Iranian pilgrims –mostly women and people with disability as not too many able-bodied men were going to Hajj due to Iran-Iraq war still going on at that time]. Official reports put the number of dead at more than 500 [more than half were women] and 649 injured [although the unofficial numbers were much higher] in a matter of minutes. [Scroll down to see images: http://jahannews.com/vdcd5o0fzyt0oz6.2a2y.html

    Many rushed toward Masjedol-haram (Al-Ahram Mosque) to seek refuge. But the Saudi guards pursued and attacked them even inside the mosque. Most of those who were injured and taken to the nearby hospitals but most died because they faced closed hospital doors. Iranians believed that this attack was very much coordinated and pre-planned. In November that year, Iran organized an international conference titled قداست و امنیت حرم [“The Sanctity and Security of Haram”] in which hundreds of ulama (Shi’a and Sunni) from all over the world participated. After their review of all evidence (most of which was actually provided by non-Iranian pilgrims from Lebanon, Turkey, Jordan, Pakistan, India, etc…..and Palestinians). In fact, that year, a group of Palestinians, who had been in Mecca and actually had witnessed the massacre sought audience with Imam Khomeini. What they said about the even became a quite well-known phrase: “Until this year, we thought we are the most badly treated people on earth. This year we realized Iranians are treated worse than us.”

    This is what Imam Khomeini (a.s.) said [it was the first time ever (and the last time) people saw him so shaken and outraged.]:

    :«بارالها، تو خود شاهدی که دراین سال ما جانبازان و مهاجران و مجاهدانی داشتیم که به سوی تو و بسوی خانه امن تو که از صدر خلقت تاکنون مأمن هر موجودی بوده است هجرت کردند و در پیش چشمان حیرت زده مسلمانان کشورهای جهان بدست پلید امریکا که از آستین آل سعود بدر آمده است، به خاک و خون کشیده شدند و در آستانه عاشورای ولی الله الاعظم (سلام الله علیه) عاشورایی دیگر، با ابعاد مختلف در جوار تو و خانه امن تو، در جمعه خونین پدید آوردند که‌ای کاش نبودم تا آن را ببینم و یا بشنوم، نه برای شهادت عزیزانی مجاهد و مهاجر که شهادت امری است که آرزوی عزیزان ماست وشهدی است آشنا برای زنان و مردان و کودکان ما که در یورش‌های مغولانه صدام عفلقی شدیدتر و فجیع تر آن را چشیده‌اند و دیده ایم، بلکه برای مصیبتی است که نه تنها برای پیغمبر اسلام(صلوات الله علیه) که برای تمامی انبیا و مرسلین، از آدم تا خاتم پیش آمد. به فرمان کاخ سیاه بدست ناپاک آل سعود این شقی ترین جانیان عصر، بالاترین مقام مقدس الهی شکسته شد.»

    “Oh, God Almighty, You Yourself are witness how in this year our pilgrims and “janbaz” [term used to describe people who are disabled because of their injuries in the Iraq-Iran war] who came to Your Home (Ka’aba) that has served as safe haven for all beings since the creation—in front of shocking/disbelieving eyes of Muslims from all over the world—were massacred by the evil American hands that crept out Al Saud’s sleeves. And at the alter of Ashoura, they created another Ashura with many dimensions next to Your Home, Your Safe Haven, on a bloody Friday. I wish I did not exist to see or hear this day not because of the martyrdom of our beloved pilgrims—as martyrdom is their wish and they are all too familiar with due to Sadam’s barbaric attacks—but because the sanctity of This Home was broken, breaking the hearts of all prophets from Adam (a.s.) to our last prophet (s.a.), with the order of “Black House” and in the dirty hands of Al Saud, these ruthless criminals of current world.”

    Sources:

    Center for Islamic Republic Documents, online at: ;http://www.irdc.ir/fa/calendar/136/default.aspx

    Alawi Path, Online at: ;http://hozenasre1.blogfa.com/post-113.aspx

    Images: Online at: ;http://jahannews.com/vdcd5o0fzyt0oz6.2a2y.html

  207. James Canning says:

    Raad,

    Yes, a story to watch. Thanks for linking Josie Ensor piece (“Adam Werrity ‘plotted with Israel’ to topple Iran’s President Ahmadinejad”) in Daily Telgraph today.

  208. James Canning says:

    Oleg,

    Thanks for the link. And Diance Feinstein and Mike Rogers claim that Russia and China have “scuttled past efforts to crack down on Iran over its nuclear ambitions”! What total cr*p! And these liars are in charge of Congressional committees on intelligence!

  209. James Canning says:

    Oleg,

    When asking “who is Feinstein”, perhaps one should ask: how many Jews are currently in the US Senate? And what explains the number of Jews in the US Senate? Are there five times as many Jews in the US Senate as would be indicated by the number of Jews in the population of the country?

  210. James Canning says:

    Humanist,

    Another interesting aspect of the Liam Fox affair is that he hired an American, who was tied closely to the Pentagon and the CIA, to advise on Middle East policy. And this American, Luke Coffey, then appears to have lobbied on behalf of American “defence” contractors.

  211. Oleg says:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/16/us-usa-iran-congress-idUSTRE79F1NW20111016

    “Lawmakers say alleged Iran plot was “very real”"

    - Eh, either something occured and is a fact, or it didnt happen. There is no such thing as “was very real”.
    Once again where are the evidence, for crying out loud! US havent conducted a trial yet and they still screaming “Iran Iran Iran did it” “Sanctions” “Isolation” “War” etc what a load of bullocks! Typical kangaroo-court style.

    Who is Feinstein? Well just put feinstein + aipac on google and youll see. Its amazing, whole gov of USA seems to be a corrupt hellhole, runned by financial aipac-lobbyists.

  212. kooshy says:

    Eric A. Brill says:
    October 16, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Eric- what you wrote realistically would be really funny just if one still believe, that Mr. Obama (a constitutional trained lawyer) seriously understands that the buck stops at the desk he was elected to occupy.

  213. James Canning says:

    Humanist,

    Report in today’s Sunday Times (London) (“Hague: It is fanciful to suggest that Dr Fox and Mr Werrity could have effectively been running a separate foreign policy”).

    As we all should know, the neocons during the G W Bush administration used the Pentagon to create American foreign policy, bypassing the State Dept. And this led directly to catastrophe. In particular, a cabal of neocon Jews in the Office of Special Plans had free reign to conspire to deceive the American public by planting false stories in the news media.

  214. In considering the long-term impact of the Saudi ambassador assassination story, it should be kept clearly in mind that even Iran’s “new friends” (Kenneth Katzman, Judith Miller, and a host of other Iran critics) invariably contrast this amateurish plot with the “usual” professional efficiency with which Iran conducts its alleged terrorist operations. In setting up that frame of comparison, those writers know full well that the reader’s focus will be on just one side of the frame – the current Saudi ambassador story – not on the previous “terrorist plots” which Iran allegedly has carried out. As a result, what had long been unsolved mysteries will be clearly etched in the minds of many American readers as proven Iranian terrorist plots.

    Thus, for example, Time Magazine puts an end to any debate about responsibility for several incidents in just two introductory sentences that most readers will breeze past uncritically to get to the main subject of that article: the Saudi ambassador story:

    “The Islamic Republic has embraced terrorism from the moment of its creation, and Americans have often been its victims: … at the Khobar Towers truck bombing in 1996, and in Iraq in 2007. Throughout the war in Afghanistan, Iran has exported ever more deadly roadside bombs, directly contributing to soaring U.S. casualties there.”

    In the Judith Miller article cited here by Omid, she seconds Time’s motion for closure on the debate over those incidents, while adding another one to the “solved” list:

    “Usually such Iranian plots, … such as the 1994 bombing of a Jewish center in Buenos Aires; the 1996 bombing of the Khobar Towers housing complex in Saudi Arabia that killed 19 American servicemen and a Saudi; and the murder of five American soldiers in Karbala, Iraq in 2007 “were very professional operations that used cutouts and had few Iranian fingerprints,” [her source] said. … “The mission described in the complaint… “… just doesn’t fit the pattern.”

    Kenneth Katzman instead describes Iran’s “modus operandi,” leaving the now-primed reader to imagine that a country with such a vast network of evil operatives may have been behind even more terrorist plots than Time and Judith Miller have already blamed on it:

    “The Iranian modus operandi is only to trust sensitive plots to their own employees, or to trusted proxies such as Hezbollah, Saudi Hezbollah, Hamas, the Sadr faction in Iraq, Iran-friendly extremist Muslims in Afghanistan and other pro-Iranian Muslim groups.”

    I can’t help thinking that writers like Miller, Katzman and Time reporters will welcome an opportunity to prove that they’re not mullah-lovers after all. I have even less doubt that the US government will provide them such an opportunity (and, indeed, may believe it already has done so, in the form of the dusted-off “nuclear weapons” story put out a few days ago).

    It will probably take only a slightly more credible story to coax out Iran-bashing analyses from each of Iran’s new friends. When that happens, few if any readers will remember that those same writers sided with Iran this time around. Even those who do remember will interpret such writers’ new Iran-bashing story as tacit admissions that they were dead wrong to have supported Iran this time around. Before we know it, the Saudi ambassador story will get added to the ever-growing list of proven “Iranian terrorist plots.”

  215. James Canning says:

    Humanist,

    Financial Times story Oct. 15/16 by Jim Pickard(“UK defence secretary brought down by revelations over ‘adviser’”): “Mr Werrity had his [first class] air fares and [five-star] hotels paid for by a network of donors, including a corporate intelligence group and a billionaire who funds a pro-Israel lobbying group.”

  216. James Canning says:

    Unknown Unknows,

    Yes, if an Iranian-American was conspiring with people in Iran in order to steal heroin seized by Iranian officials, and to transport that heroin to the US, logic and correct policy would argue for cooperation with Iran to identify and prosecute the conspirators. If there are any.

  217. James Canning says:

    Photi,

    I see Eric Cantor as a symptom of what is wrong with the US. A stooge of the armaments manufacturers, who year in and year out tries to subvert the national security interests of the American people, to facilitate ethnic cleansing in the West Bank, rises higher and higher in the power positions of the US Congress.

  218. James Canning says:

    Humanist,

    Adam Werrity was backed by an Israeli billionaire armaments manufacturer. He seems to have been a conduit to American neocons who have been trying to subvert the UK’s foreign policy in effort to promote idiotic “Greater Israel” scheme.

  219. Oleg says:

    unknown unknowns: I would like to see you rebuffing my short “analysis” of why Israel will attack Iran since you claimed different earlier.

  220. Photi says:

    My name is David Nelson. I am an American citizen and I stand against this war as both a threat to our American democracy and as a crime against humanity.

    WARMONGERS stand down.

  221. Photi says:

    Loyal,

    The plot would have been rapidly pulled together to plant a pretext for the Western response to the Arab Spring. Time was of the essence. Could this explain the sloppiness?

  222. Photi says:

    For American culture and history buffs, it is only fitting that this movement begin in lower Manhattan.

  223. Photi says:

    Too bad Eric Cantor does not realize it is him Americans do not recognize. The natural outgrowth of the Occupy Wall Street movement will be the anti-war movement.

    “”People are beginning to wake up and see a country they don’t really recognize,” said Cantor.”

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/16/eric-cantor-occupy-wall-street-blame_n_1013795.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

  224. Humanist says:

    Hilary in her recent interviews had mentioned how Iranians didn’t retaliate against Saudis (the main supporter of Saddam) during the Iran-Iraq war.

    Another example of Iranians suppressing their intense anger toward Saudis is when in 1987 at least 300 of unarmed Iranian Hajj pilgrims were shot (according some Iranian versions machine gunned?) by Saudi Police and Army and Iran’s response was (absoultely?) ‘nothing’ despite the huge outcry of many Iranians.

    In the following WikiPedia article that incident is (sort of) explained. That version differs from what can be found in some Farsi Sources.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-foxs-best-man-and-his-ties-to-irans-opposition-2371352.html

    Leveretts understand why Iran is on the side of Saudi people thus retaliation is out of the question. The unclear question is about the motives behind such un-Western Iranian policy. Hegemonic Calculative Nature? Religious Convictions? Influence of its evolved (advanced) Culture? Or just a combination of the above?

  225. LOYAL says:

    Photi says:
    October 16, 2011 at 11:49 am

    There might be political but not economic cause for US direct and open new war against Iran at this time. I think weak case of murder plot is not by accident but by design. Enough to internationalize the terror threat for mischief but not sufficient to mandate a military response.
    … Iran will prevail.

  226. Photi says:

    Loyal,

    the problem is that those pushing for war are so self-righteously delusional that they do not think this war will last for very long. Therefore the potential severity of the war is not deterring them in the same way it is deterring you. I lack your confidence that this latest myth is not militant in nature.

  227. LOYAL says:

    Unknown Unknowns says:
    October 16, 2011 at 10:54 am
    Well, let’s play this out. So what if Israel did fly over Iraq and bomb Iran.

    US & Israel will not benefit from any military action against Iran at this juncture; they will gain by putting more political, financial pressure against Iran.
    Any US & Military action against Iran will force Iran to policy change in nuclear issue.
    For now and near feature US is not in a position to enter in a major war let alone in ME & Persian Gulf. That will be game changer.
    More likely US will peruse Hariri case model to involve UN in the case and continue pressure and mischief

  228. Unknown Unknowns says:

    US refused to hand information on alleged plot: Iran
    Saudi Arabian embassy in Washington, DC
    © AFP Jewel Samad
    AFP

    TEHRAN (AFP) – Iran said on Saturday that the US government rebuffed its request to hand over information on an alleged Iranian plot to kill the Saudi ambassador to Washington.

    “This person has had no link to Islamic Republic of Iran entities,” the foreign ministry said in a statement received by AFP, referring to a suspect named by the United States.

    “Based on legal norms, if there is any claim against any other government, the US government should submit the accused person’s information to the other country and request cooperation,” it said.

    “The US government, despite a clear request from the Islamic Republic of Iran and contrary to international conventions, has not taken any action in this regard,” the ministry added.

  229. hans says:

    Where is Ali Gholam Shakuri the cousin of Manssor Arbabsiar. Anyone interviewed him. Is he under house arrest? What about the relatives of Manssor Arbabsiar are they known traitors or MEK sympathisers? Why does not PressTV cover this story more, has Iran something to hide?

  230. PRESIDENT OBAMA: Guys! In case anyone’s been on Mars the last week or so, this Saudi ambassador story hasn’t worked out so well. I ran it up the flagpole, just like you all said, but nobody’s saluting. We’ve even got Judy Miller sticking up for the Iranians on this one. Now what?

    PRESS SECRETARY JAY CARNEY: Probably best to just lay low for a while, Mr. President. Maybe just toss out some “nuclear weapons” scare story for the time being – give the press something to chew on while we let the heat die down a little.

    PRESIDENT OBAMA: Nuclear weapons? Same old, same old. What am I paying you guys for? My teenage daughters have more imagination than that!

    HILLARY CLINTON: Maybe we can frame it a little differently this time, Mr. President. We ran into trouble on this Saudi ambassador thing when people starting asking us for evidence, right? Who’d have ever thought that would happen? So this time we just say somebody else has the evidence – the nuclear guys, not us. We’re just asking them to stop hiding it from the world. Who cares if they really have something? If they do and they release it, we’re golden. If they don’t, we’re golden too. We just tell people we don’t have authority to release the frightening truth about Iran’s nukes. We sure wish we did, since the last thing we want is for the innocent people of the world to be incinerated by a bunch of mad mullahs, but all we can do is ask those nuclear guys to come clean.

    JOHN BOLTON: And while we’re at it, let’s take a swipe at the UN – at least threaten to withhold our dues. After all, most people believe those nuclear guys work for the UN.

    PRESIDENT OBAMA: Bolton! How’d you get in here? Didn’t anybody bother to change the locks on this place? (Turning to Hillary): Well, Hill, it’s worth a shot, I guess. But in the meantime, let’s get your creative people working on something new, OK?

  231. Photi says:

    Mondoweiss is bringing to our attention that Bill Kristol is calling for all out war and regime change at the Weekly Standard. Big surprise there.

  232. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Well, let’s play this out. So what if Israel did fly over Iraq and bomb Iran.

    1) What *would* Iran’s reaction be?

    2) What *should* Iran’s reaction be?

  233. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Castellio:

    I must say that although I read the part about the joint forces operational coordination, I didn’t assign the significance that perhaps I should have. Between your bleak analysis and Richard’s, it is becoming more and more difficult to see that this “peace” can last. However, I still maintain (in agreement with you) that this deadly adventurism will have severe blowback for its instigators. Let us hope that if this scheme has to be, that it will be short, it will end the careers of many a warmonger in the US and Israel, and will be a huge boon for the peace-loving people everywhere, including occupied Palestime and the occupied United States. Ameen.

  234. Castellio says:

    Photi:

    No, seing the writing on the wall is not leading to the inevitability of it. What makes it inevitable is the lack of concerted and informed response to the actions leading to the war.

    If you see it coming and you’re passive in the face of it, you’re just as much a cause of the war as if you didn’t see it coming, and a greater hypocrite to boot. Responsibility comes with knowledge.

    The point is to act, always act. You ask how? Every way you know, and always, if possible, with others.

  235. Photi says:

    *I should have also addressed my comment to Eric Brill as well. Precision in language is a must and the distinctions about plot, motive and who is and is not involved that Mr. Brill is making need to be emphasized.

  236. Castellio says:

    Oleg, yes. I would like to add another point. The US embassy in Baghdad announced the US Air Force has handed responsibility for Iraq’s air space over to the Iraqis.

    Imagine! And what’s the most direct route for the Israeli planes? Why wouldn’t they approach over Iraq, which has no way to stop them?

  237. Photi says:

    Raad, Oleg, and Castellio,

    Your analyses are astute. Raad, you are right this will all end in tears, but i do not think the US as hegemon is going to win this one. Americans will retreat into our borders. Israel will be forced to give up its apartheid ambitions because it will be ‘on its own.’ Sane Jewish rulers will realize they must be friendly to their neighbors in order to survive.

    To everyone: What is the proper anti-war strategy to take? The situation may look bleak, but things are not yet at all-out war.

    Does focusing on the “inevitability” of war make war inevitable?

    Humans are reasonable creatures, surely the Leveretts have it right in determining the way forward for America. We are not yet at the point of no return, and, naivete aside, i think it is beneficial for us all to keep that in mind.

  238. smith says:

    Another detail has emerged of the accused. As per his friends he was granted US citizenship just 8 months ago. But as per official statements he was under investigations then though officials concede that they have lost data for 9 months of the investigation that occurred. Regardless how come he was given US citizenship while he was being investigated for assassination? Is that possible legally?

  239. Raad says:

    Media Blitzkreig and the strong uncompromising statements of the US State Dept about the Saudi assassination does not surprise me. The same comments full of certainty were issued when US shot down Iranair flight 655 over the Persian Gulf and also when UK sailors trespassed into Iranian territorial waters; both later found to have been lies.

    This ‘plot’ has all the hallmarks of a set up; it does not even go passed the “Qui Bono?” test. No evidence is provided and we have to accept (trust?) the US official statements; just like the two incidents above, not to mention the Niger letter and the other Iraq WMD nonsense.

    What is interesting to me, is why US is initiating this lie now and up the ante to a level where there is a point of no return. It unfortunately has all the hallmarks of preparing the ground (this time propaganda…..if any more was needed) for an assault on Iran.

    It is clear to me that even if Jesus Christ himself was ruling right now, US will come up with a pretext to attack Iran. This will all end in tears and we all know who will benefit from all this.

    BTW, look out for the Adam Werrity story playing out in the UK.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8829922/Adam-Werritty-plotted-with-Israel-to-topple-Irans-President-Ahmadinejad.html

  240. Rehmat says:

    Is Occupy Wall Street movement anti-Jewish?

    MJ Rosenberg wrote in the Jewish Journal (October 14, 2011): “An ugly old tradition is back: exploiting anti-Semitism to break the backs of popular movements that threaten the power of the wealthiest 1 percent of our population. It is being used to undermine the Occupy Wall Street movement, which has conservatives in a state of near panic.”

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/is-occupy-wall-street-movement-anti-jewish/

  241. Oleg says:

    Well Iam just saying, there is a very good time for Israel to strike now taking in regard the following.

    First off we need to ask, does Israel want to attack Iran? The question is yes.

    The reason why Israel havent attacked Iran yet is due lack of good situations but right now and the following months would give Israel a great reason to strike Iran.

    There are several reasons.

    1. Israels creeping isolation
    Israel have always wanted to have neighbour states with internal problems, minorities fighting each other or other domestic problems so those neighbours cant be a threat to israeli occupation.
    Now is this the situation we have now? Yes.
    A majority of states are uprising and have preoccupied themselves internally, they dont bother with Israel right now.

    When those states are busy with themselves Israel see their golden opportunity to strike Iran, also partly due the fact that the media is also occupied to follow the events in the arabworld. Not to mention Israels escalated isolation from Turkey and Egypt, if Israel wait any longer they would maybe face a strong Egypt and Turkey, maybe even a Jordan (if the arabspring destruct the Hashemite kingship). Israel cant afford that. Therefore there is a golden opportunity for an israeli strike.

    2. Irans weak allied partner
    Right now Irans closest allied Syria is having trouble internally, a strike at Iran wouldnt involve Syria, at least not as much it would do like a strong Syria would do (that is pre-Syria uprising). An attack on Iran would at this stage wouldnt generate a heavy response. With that being said Israel see their chance to strike now.

    3. The construction of the new middle east, post arabspring.
    To shift attention away from israeli isolation in the middle east and world in general they see their chance to strike Iran, because Israel know that if they wait another 6-12 months, Israel will be isolated even more, the arab spring will generate more arab governments that are more critical to israeli occupation and politics. Israel have at that time no chance to strike Iran because then they would face even more isolation. So Israel see this period of time the last chance to strike Iran.

    4. Israels refusal to accept Irans defiance and collaboration
    Sanctions and isolation of Iran doesnt not work, Iran refuse to end their nuclear program, they build more centrifuges and enrich uranium at a higher speed at the same time as IAEA chief makes the claim that Iran doesnt collaborate fully with the IAEA watchdog. At the same time does Iran coming out more and more collaborative offering uranium suspension if US/EU gives Iran 20% enriched uranium.
    Israel hate the fact that Iran is coming along as collaborative, Israel hate this since they all the time trying to portray Iran as the bad guy and a state in constant breach of IAEA laws etc, now Iran (once again) offer the exact the same offer US/EU have put forward, just like Iran accepted the 2010 deal with Turkey/Brazil, just like EU/US wanted – only to be sanctioned again.

    “In recent years, Israel has often threatened to attack Iran. Why has the subject been revived this time? Is Israel worried that Iran is close to acquiring the capability to manufacture a nuclear bomb? Most intelligence experts agree that Iran has not yet made a decision to build nuclear weapons. A more likely Israeli motive is its concern that the five permanent members of the Security Council plus Germany — the so-called P5+1 — may accept an Iranian offer of renewed talks.

    Israel’s greatest fear is that the P5+1 will reach a compromise with Iran which would allow it to continue enriching uranium for civilian purposes. This might then lead in due course to the world agreeing to co-exist with a nuclear Iran. If that were to happen, Israel’s monopoly of nuclear weapons — a key asset in maintaining its regional military supremacy — would be lost.”

    http://gulfnews.com/opinions/columnists/will-israel-bomb-iran-without-notifying-the-us-1.891422

    5. Israels history regarding nuclear neighbours
    Israel is a rogue state when it comes to international law, probably have no other nation breached more laws and UN resolutions than Israel. Add to the fact that Israel have bombed Syrian, Iraqi and even tried to bomb Pakistan nuclear facilities and you know this is a regime that doesnt bow down to anything. Taking this in regard points to the fact that Israel is very much capable to strike Iran too, not only military but politically because no one will stop them at the same time we see the NATO missiles shield being implemented, Turkey and Spain were the last approved states…

    6. Escalation of threats
    Verbal threats, demonizing, killings of scientists and even maybe even bombing of iranian IRGCC compounds this last year turn to the fact that israeli approach to Iran is not just verbal or soft power but realistic and imminent.

    7. Escalation of sanctions and propaganda
    Note how the newly found so called Iranian-plot is being apporached by US, UK and some other western nations, they try to portray Iran all of a sudden as a threat to the whole world – not just themselves (not even that is true), like US raised the level of warning regarding americans all over the world over the so called Iranian-threat and world population in general. Why would anyone do that? Well of course because they want to demonize Iran because when US/israel starts to bomb Iran, a limited criticism will only slip through because the world population have been fed for some time how bad and evil Iran is and will therefore approve US/israel bombings. It always start like this.

    a) Sanctions
    b) Demonizing/Propaganda
    c) More escalation
    d) More demonzing/Propganda
    e) Conflict

    8. Elections
    2012 is the year of elections and Obama job approval have never been lower at the same time his approval by jews, AIPAC etc is also at the bottom, there are lots of articles on the net, just search, that points out the decline of jewish vote. To change this fact Obama might either sanction Iran even more or even give Israel an approval to strike Iran. At the same time netanyahu face trouble at home with the protesters and israeli society in general.
    A strike would gather the heal the broken israeli society and make it stronger like a US approved or led strike would boast the economy, would shift attention away from Occupy Wallstreet and boast Obamas approval by americans.
    At the same time since shalit is out Israel will eventually go into Gaza to once again trying to wipe out Hamas once and for all and now chance of hitting any captured jewish soldier and also for establishing their fear-of-us, that is their deterence.

    9. Weapons
    Americans have newly shifted bunker buster missiles to Israel, where they are supposed to hit is a no brainer, if it happen tommorow or in 5 months, well thats up to Israel. It will happen.

    At the same time as richardsilverstein so good have analyzed have paletta been to Israel many times since he got approved for the job at the CIA and how israeli intelligence, media etc is itching for a war against Iran.

  242. Empty says:

    Also, there is no و between الصبر and من الایمان…..

    [It behooves me to listen to my own advice and not rush to post. رطب خورده منع رطب کی کند؟ How can one preach that which one doesn't practice?]

  243. Empty says:

    “to drown” rather……..

  244. Empty says:

    Unknown Unknowns,

    This whole troop pull out is neither new nor extraordinary. I think the Obama administration (with the help of a bunch of compliant journalists/analysts and the like) is just recycling the story as a big story to drawn this ridiculous plot accusation against Iran because the sooner they wrap this up, the less they have to explain. What will remain from this episode, however, is a sound bite that they will pair up with their old favorite lie: 1) Iran is developing nuclear weapon; 2) Iran plotted to commit terror acts on the US soil. Expect to hear these over and over again over the next year and a half during campaigns, TV shows that they pass as “news”. That would also keep quite a few “progressive” thinkers busy for a while jumping up and down that “oh, it’s not true for this and this and this and this and this and this and that reasons……”

    صبر کنید dear صبر and remember: الصبر و من الایمان

  245. BiBiJon says:

    Fiorangela says:
    October 16, 2011 at 7:05 am

    Livid David’s article this morning was the usual ‘I hate Iran’ bla bla hiding this pertinent sentence: “Officials familiar with the evidence say it creates extraordinarily uncomfortable questions for the Iranians to answer, but does not definitively point to the construction of a weapon.”

    Even if Seale and Sanger-anger occupied the same universe, one is surely in the journalistic parlor, the other is locked in a bathroom with an overflowing toilette.

  246. BiBiJon says:

    Please take your shoes off :D
    =========================

    RE October 15, 2011 at 5:27 pm Pirouz’s post:

    APNewsBreak: US drops plans to keep troops in Iraq

    ,http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iZy3s_o35Ql7WlURTZrmSfZLug6Q?docId=3d3680538b1f41de960b0cfc5455ab9e

    And Juan Cole’s http://www.juancole.com/2011/10/this-is-the-way-the-iraq-war-ends-with-bangs-and-wimpers.html

    I would like to remind the organizers of whatever ceremony/press conference marking the conclusion of SOFA, be it held in Baghdad, or DC, it would be prudent to politely but firmly insist that all participants remove their shoes before entering the hall.

    Just a suggestion to avoid the scenes at the beginning of SOFA.
    ,http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duLds-TZMGw

  247. Castellio says:

    I don’t know what is new to everyone, UU, but what caught my attention was:

    “According to the 6 October edition of TTU, a French intelligence bulletin, the United States and Israel are planning an unprecedented joint land forces exercise next May with the goal of establishing a common “intervention force” ready for action in the event of a major regional war. Admiral James Stavridis, head of Eurocom — America’s European command — paid a recent unpublicised visit to Israel for talks with General Benny Gantz, Israel’s chief of staff. According to TTU, the plan is to set up American command posts in Israel and Israeli command posts in Eurocom. Cooperation between the two powers has rarely been closer.”

    My read is different than yours. Operation Cast Lead was after the election before the inauguration. There will be time both before and after the election for action. I don’t think Panetta went to Israel twice to say don’t attack, I think he went to work out what the American response will be in the first instance (the bombing sortie) and then in the second instance (after the Iranian response).

    America wants its war to look like a legitimate defense of Israel.

    In other words, I believe Panetta is negotiating how to make the attack operational from the American political side, which is why what Seale writes is so pertinent.

    I remember when Blair went to Camp Crawford in 2002 (I think it was), I felt then that the fix was in for Iraq. This is shaping up in a similar fashion. France and Canada are belligerents both waiting to join the attack, which will be called a response to the Iranian action. (It’s not what the Canadian or French people want, but who’s asking?)

    Blair and Barry are twins in so many ways.

    When Iran offers a rational way out, it is rejected. Why? The American government believes Iran is on the run, and that the time to strike is soon.

    The only way out is for Russia and China to act in an open and unified way as defensive allies of Iran, which they will not do. Besides, they don’t mind the US overplaying its hand and working towards its own weakened state.

    The military financial elite that controls both Israel and the US are the only players with something to gain.. a greater Israel, population transfer of the Palestinians, more corporate profits, and a tighter control of the militant security state that America continues to become.

  248. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Castellio:

    If there was anything new in the article, please enlighten me as I must have missed it.

    My synopsis?
    Israeli hawks are making animal noises again.
    Barry White has sent Panetta to calm them down and ask them not to go it alone.
    Saner voices are concerned in the US.
    Barry White is not listening, as he is Israel’s bee-atch.
    SNAFU.

  249. Castellio says:

    If you haven’t read this yet by Patrick Seale, you really should.

    http://www.agenceglobal.com/Article.asp?Id=2659

  250. bushtheliberator says:

    much love to you,Hooman…Yes,the Iranians will dump the Hizbulsht Party thugs.
    but it’s 1,2,3.>Saddam,Assads, and 3 ,when the Iranians make their move,the Theo-Thugs.
    The path to Iran’s liberation passes thru Syria.One step at a time.
    Death to the IRI !

  251. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Let’s see if we can teach an old dog a new trick.

    fyi: you’ve got nothing better to do. Here, check this out:

    http://involuntaryservant.blogspot.com/

    Hot off the press: CIA Asset Susan Lindauer blows the whistle on 9/11 and Iraq

  252. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Empty:

    I don’t think so. First of all, the article you linked is 5 months old. Secondly, private contractors are not going to remain in Iraq without a new SOFA, which is not forthcoming. And as to the idea that “5,000 or so” would stay under “diplomatic cover” as Jeremy alleges, I would think that idea is a non-starter: either they are diplomats or they are not. YOu can maybe eke out a few spies and what have you under cover of a diplomatic or trade mission, but you can’t have soldiers controlling the country doing so.

    I remain upbeat and hope others will take up my original questions.

  253. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Rd.

    Supposedly a woman of his acquaintance turned him in to the sting operation when he approached her for contacts “who knew about explosives”.

  254. James,

    “I think Iran does well to make observations regarding who would benefit from the scheme (assuming the “plot” was a set-up), provided the comments in that regard are plausible and can be backed with specific facts.”

    I agree with that, but “provided” is the key word. If Iran has solid facts showing that someone else arranged this incident to embarrass Iran, by all means it should disclose those facts and expose that shameful misconduct.

    But what if Iran can’t clear that “provided” hurdle but nonetheless tries? Suppose it comes up with some conspiracy theory but can’t back it with convincing facts. Will its audience say simply: “Well, I’m not convinced by Iran’s “conspiracy theory” response, but I’m still not convinced either by the US government’s allegations.”

    Or is the audience — or a large portion of it — likely to say: “Well, I’m not convinced by Iran’s “conspiracy theory” response. Maybe there’s some merit after all to these US government allegations.”

    I think that is what might happen. For that reason, unless Iran has some pretty solid evidence (in which case see my first sentence above), I think it should just stick with an outraged denial.

  255. Rd. says:

    Just out of curiosity, any facts on how Arbabsiar comes to know/connect with a Mexican drug dealer (the informant)??

    He didn’t just call 411 and ask for a drug dealer?

    Was this thru some old associates from his years in Texas? Any ideas?

  256. Rehmat says:

    British Foreign Secretary, Dr. Liam Fox 50, resigned on Friday over scandal with his long-time gayfriend Adam Werritty 34. Werritty, later served Fox’s best man at Fox’s 2005 marriage to Dr. Jesme Baird. British Prime Minister, Israel-Firster David Cameron has appointed millionaire Dr. Philip Hammond as his new Secretary of Defense. Philip Hammond, as Transport Secretary is welknown for his ties with British Jewish Lobby.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/israel-first-uk-defense-minister-forced-to-resign/

  257. pirouz_2 says:

    Eric;
    Thanks for the clarification.

  258. Empty says:

    Unknown Unknowns,

    RE: Yes, very interesting news indeed. I guess the Muqtada gambit played by Iran worked like a dream. What I’m wondering is, What the hell is going to happen to all those bases? Didn’t they build like 14 large bases at the cost of billions of dollars? Isn’t one of them like the biggest base in the world or some such obscenity?

    Don’t get too excited:

    “The kind of paramilitary force that Obama and Clinton are trying to build in Iraq is, in large part, a byproduct of the monstrous colonial fortress the United States calls its embassy in Baghdad and other facilities the US will maintain throughout Iraq after the “withdrawal.” The State Department plans to operate five “Enduring Presence Posts” at current US military bases in Basrah, Diyala, Erbil, Kirkuk and Ninewa. The State Department has indicated that more sites may be created in the future, which would increase the demand for private forces. The US embassy in Baghdad is the size of Vatican City, comprised of twenty-one buildings on a 104-acres of land on the Tigris River. In making their case to Congress and the Defense Department for the expansion of a private paramilitary force in Iraq, State Department officials have developed what they call a “lost functionality” list of fourteen security-related tasks that the military currently perform in Iraq that would become the responsibility of the State Department as US forces draw down. Among these are: recovering killed and wounded personnel, downed aircraft or damaged vehicles, convoy security and threat intelligence. The department also foresees a need to run a tactical operations center that would dispatch of armed response teams.”

    http://www.thenation.com/blog/37877/iraq-withdrawal-obama-and-clinton-expanding-us-paramilitary-force-iraq

  259. Rehmat says:

    Empty – It’s funny that you expect two top ‘Chapions of Israel’ to think rationally about Muslim world especially the Islamic Republic.

    Joe Lieberman is a welknown Muslim-hating Zionist Jew. Hillary Clinton comes from a political family which is welknown for licking Israel Lobby’s (AIPAC) soles. Both were very active behind the 15 Jewish organizations campaigning against Sudan, Libya, Yemen and now Syria.

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/02/25/sudans-break-up-bringing-nile-water-to-israel/

  260. Empty says:

    RE: Surely Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden are aware of that fact, and that involvement of some people lower down the chain of command does not mean the people at the top are also involved.

    What the United States needs to provide is to show any document, any document whatsoever, that shows they try to contact any Iranian official with any sort of inquiry since the spring when they claim the whole thing began. Even better, Obama or Hillary could have written to Brazil or Turkish officials to find out more.

    Trying to connect this little plot or Iranian RG of any level will not stick. They don’t even discuss ordinary work-related issues in a locked room even with their cell phones off. They take the phone batteries out and put it separately then they begin to talk. No exceptions.

  261. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Mr. Pirouz:
    Yes, very interesting news indeed. I guess the Muqtada gambit played by Iran worked like a dream. What I’m wondering is, What the hell is going to happen to all those bases? Didn’t they build like 14 large bases at the cost of billions of dollars? Isn’t one of them like the biggest base in the world or some such obscenity? Does ownership revert back to the Iraqi government? If so, do they plan to rent a few out to the Qods Force?? LOL

    And once the Exodus is effected and the Iraqis have full control of their own country, is it not likely that they will be prevailed upon to turn a blind eye to “trade” convoys to Syria and Hezbollah via Syria, which would actually be carrying the latest in Iranian artillery and SAM missile systems (as well as all other manner of materiel)? And if so, what effect would this have on the scaredy-cat Israeli Occupation Force and its ability to project force outside its borders to Syria and Lebanon?

  262. James Canning says:

    Pirouz,

    Yes, History tells us that there always, or almost always, are people who will engage in double-dealing if the price is right, in any country. Surely Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden are aware of that fact, and that involvement of some people lower down the chain of command does not mean the people at the top are also involved.

  263. James Canning says:

    Charlie Chuck,

    Why do you think the scheme originated in the State Dept.? As a means of gaining support from countries who have been unenthusiastic about sanctions against Iran?

  264. James Canning says:

    Eric,

    I think Iran does well to make observations regarding who would benefit from the scheme (assuming the “plot” was a set-up), provided the comments in that regard are plausible and can be backed with specific facts.

  265. Pirouz 2,

    I should clarify. I’m concerned that any speculation as to who orchestrated the “plot” (assuming it happened, which I’m willing to accept) supports those who insist (implicitly usually, explicitly in some cases) that Iran has some obligation to point the finger of blame somewhere else simply because the US government has seen fit to accuse it of some misconduct.

    If a bank gets robbed in my home town and somebody accuses me of having robbed it, it’s not my responsibility to figure out who really did it, or even to speculate — or even to offer reasons why I would never do such a bad thing. It’s enough for me simply to deny it. Even making an effort to speculate who really did it is likely to draw more attention to me than I deserve, causing others to believe that I have some responsibility to identify the culprit and — failing in that effort — to accept the blame that my accuser has assigned to me.

    If I were the Iranian government, I’d have expressed outrage at the accusation and demanded that the US government either “Put up or shut up.” In other words, pretty much what the Iranian government did. I wouldn’t dignify the accusations by speculating.

  266. Charlie Chuck says:

    Why are we even seriously discussing what is so obviously a bag of shit dreamed up by the State Dept.

  267. Pirouz 2,

    I don’t know whether the plot happened or not. As I wrote, I’m not inclined to dwell on that question, because it tends to make many people mistakenly believe that that’s what really matters here.

  268. smith says:

    Originally written for comment section of Aljazeera, but thought to post here too:

    This plot is a propaganda concocted by Obama’s administration to make a coalition against Iran both internationally and regionally. Any sane mind who thinks for himself can see that the US officials are lying with straight faces, only some of the reasons are below:

    1-. US government has not released any useful information on the case whatsoever. No transparency exists at all. All they have shown us is a bizarre third rate flop movie script and the 1992 picture of a 56 year old supposed assassin in 2011. This does not stand a chance in a respectable court of law, but might ofcourse make it through US system of injustice.

    2- 1.5 million dollars is the claimed price for killing the ambassador of the biggest petroleum reserve on planet in the capital of the world’s largest weapons manufacturer along with ubiquitous and innocent doll faced Americans in a “fictional restaurant” serving pork chops with freedom fries. But wait a minute what else 1.5 million dollar can buy? Well it can buy you a medium sized apartment in Tehran or a Bugatti supercar the kind that drug dealers buy for their girl friends or perhaps a good nice European painting by an obscure artist. Seems like 1.5 million is not much in the world anymore besides its utility to be used in killing ambassadors.

    3- Any self respecting drug dealing gang makes more than a million dollars a week on any busy street in a big city. The gang at the center of this controversy the Zetas are estimated to have an annual revenue of over 40 billion dollars. That is something like 800 million dollars a week or roughly 5.2 million dollars each hour. This means 1.5 million dollars would mean just about 15 minutes worth of their usual time. And the 100 thousand dollar down payment means just worth one minute of their usual time. One wonders why would these guys even talk to an Iranian moron who can not wear matching socks, loses his cellphone in public toilets, is high on whiskey all the time, smokes cheap pot, and is basically a fat 56 year old guy who is broke and has not killed anyone in his life and has no useful skill set.

    4- Iran is living next to Afghanistan a country that produces 95% of the world’s heroine and opium under watchful eyes of US military as well being the largest hashish producer. Iran also is intercepting over half of all the drugs in the world as per United Nations report and executing more drug smugglers in the world than any one else. This makes Iran know the intricacies of drug smuggling full well. This means they know 1.5 million dollars for a drug gang is pocket change and amounts to nothing. They also know fully well that any drug business is peppered with intelligence moles of the resident country. These are basic things that even a team of teenage girls who have watched enough movies know about. So why would Iran send 100 thousand dollars to a drunkard to be given to a drug dealer working for a multi-billion dollar drug industry in a country where DEA and ATF is sitting every where. This does not make sense.

    5- We have been said times and again by US government that Iranian intelligence is very good, possibly better than US intelligence. US claims that only afew Iranian intel officers in Iraq were holding off the 150,000 strong US military there for years. They also tell us these same Iranians were commanding Hizbullah in 2006, sinking Israeli and Egyptian ships using smart thermal guided Iranian anti-ship missiles and blowing up sophisticated IDF tanks. How come then this time they failed? When was the last time Iranians had failed in a mission of such importance?

    6- The US administration claim that Iran was responsible for Argentina bombings so is responsible here too, does not make sense either. First of all the proof for Argentina bombings were no better than the proof in this case. At the time of the bombing in Argentina, Iran had a very good relationship with them. Despite severe US objections, Argentina rebuilt Tehran nuclear reactor which had been expired and provided Iran with enriched uranium fuel something which had made Americans very unhappy to say the least, since no other country was willing to give Iran enriched Uranium or refurbish their 1950′s reactor and Iranians at the time could not produce even a milligram of enriched Uranium themselves. But Iran was interested in more, so they signed an agreement with Argentina to build more reactors and for Argentina to transfer reactor building technology to Iran which Iran to this day does not have. Then came the bombings. A Jewish cultural center. The funny thing was there are synagogues, Jewish hospitals and clinics as well Jewish schools and cultural centers in Iran most of them funded by Iranian government so why would Iran go to the other side of the world to bomb a Jewish cultural center in exactly the same country that is providing it with a technology that Iran so desperately needs and no one else is ready to share with it? After the bombing, US cried wolf, provided intelligence to Argentina implicating Iran and diplomatic relations as well as all economic and technologic deals between Iran and Argentina died. Who benefited? Certainly not Iran and not Argentina.

    7- The moron, low IQ and mentally ill accused in this case is claimed to have been in touch with his “masters” in Iran through his house phone calling the intelligence headquarter in Iran. They discussed the whole plan on the phone and exchanged views about it as well as money matters, it is claimed. This is all happening in a country that has a ministry of love by the name of NSA. Don’t Iranians know this? They must be at least suspicious that being an enemy of US every single call to and from Iran with US is being monitored. How come then they were talking it on the phone?

    8- It is claimed the guy received a 100 thousand dollars from Iran in a wire transfer. Has Mr. Obama forgotten that it was a recent black skinned winner of nobel prize who happens to be US president has imposed severe banking sanctions on Iran and wire transfers from Iran to US are impossible? Or did this guy had a special permit from US treasury allowing him to do just that? Ok supposing he did bribe a few big heads in FED to get this illegal permit, how did he convince Iranian intelligence that it was safe to wire the money from the personal account of Iranian intelligence directly to US using the permit of a drunkard clown? Did they not get suspicious assuming the Iranian intelligence know that their banks are under sanctions and even Indians had trouble wiring money to them for all the oil they get from Iran and with China, the Iranian government is essentially down to a barter system with no wire transfer because of the same reason?

    9- And why would an ideological state such as Iran which basically thrives on martyrdom and ideological glory would hire non-Muslim Mexican drug gangs? Is that even allowed in Islam? To teem up with those selling drugs, alcohol or running prostitution rings to run a Jihad? What are the views of Ayatollah on this one?

    10- True, Iranians have hit some precise targets and assassinated their opponents in Europe, but those were all Iranians who were viewed by Iranian state as traitors, much like how Russia treats its traitors in London or Kiev. But in this case, there is no such connections at all. Infact this whole thing could be an internal rivalry between two competing princes among over 15000 princes in Saudi Arabia. Or it could be an MEK/PJAK operation trying to achieve their objective with or without help from some war mongering factions within US power structure. Or equally it could be the job of the same people who made the first cyber war attack in history of mankind on Iran and killing Iran’s scientists along with their wives infront of their 4 year old daughter’s kindergarten. There are just too many variables, and too many beneficiaries. But Iran is not among those beneficiaries that is for sure.

    11- Ever since Saudis and US who supported the loyal canine Saddam against Iran, lost him when he went rabid somewhere along the line as the poor creature was not vaccinated properly, Saudis specially are after bringing down Iran. But they know full well that Saudis are not Iraqis and will not be able to fight in a real war even if supported by US. So they are trying to get US to attack Iran, same is with Israel. But even US is not sure it can win a war against Iran clean and fast, so they have to choke Iran economically and technologically first in order weaken the resolve of the people so that the invasion is going to be easier. This plot could be just a step in that direction by putting more sanctions on Iran in addition to nuclear sanctions.

    12- With track record of US in lying all the time, whether it was in 1953, when US had claimed that pro-freedom people in Tehran had overthrown dictator Mossadeq (official US statement of the time) or when US was claiming that it was Iran that was using chemical weapons against Kurds and Iraq and Saddam did not use them in 1980′s (official US statement of the time) or when they lied about WMD’s in Iraq later on when UN had cleared them up, or when just weeks ago it emerged that those US officials who have brought this new case against Iran were actually selling weapons to Mexican drug gangs and Zetas (proceedings and investigations on Eric Holder the US attoney General who was implicated in gun trafficking with cocaine Mexico cartels, have stopped since this new case came to light)…. one can not simply trust what US says. Even the timing and so many co-incidents make it suspicious. American hikers/spies were freed at same time this guy is arrested, Israeli POW is being freed in a rare Hamas deal, situation in Syria and Bahrain, propping up of Turkey and Saudi to counter Iran’s influence, the US official involved in negotiation with Iran over US hiker/spy case as well as an Iran adviser to US government is found dead now in his house, Rabbani a pro-Iranian is killed in Afghanistan few meters away from US embassy in Kabul while he had just returned from Iran, US is about to leave Iraq in December forever, Russia and China use the veto power at UN to save Syria, despite sanctions IMF praises Iranian economy and curses US economy, etc, etc. There are so many things connected with each other, or it seems.

  269. Pirouz says:

    APNewsBreak: US drops plans to keep troops in Iraq

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iZy3s_o35Ql7WlURTZrmSfZLug6Q?docId=3d3680538b1f41de960b0cfc5455ab9e

    This is astonishing news. As an American, I was hopeful we were getting out. On the other hand, though, I’m astonished. After the trillions of dollars spent and the tens of thousands of U.S. military casualties, this is the end result.

    Think of what we Americans could have achieved with that level of energy and expenditure, had it been exerted with the intent of improving the lives of ordinary Americans.

  270. Pirouz says:

    Pirouz 2:

    Look to Gareth Porter’s analysis. The assassination plot appears to be the suggestion of the USGOV, put forth through the DEA informant to Arbabsiar, and then from Arbabsiar to his contacts in Iran, with the USGOV intention of capitalizing on the real intent of Arbabsiar’s and his contacts in Iran, drug trafficking. The USGOV intent was/is enmeshing the drug trafficking negotiation with a terror plot.

    The evidence on Arbabsiar, obtained by the DEA informant, will likely show the DEA informant planting and pushing the terror plot, while Arbabsiar and his contacts are attempting to negotiate a drug trafficking deal.

    It will be interesting to see how far up the IRGC “food chain” were attracted into this FBI sting operation. Bear in mind the lure of money involved in drug trafficking is a powerful inducement. And a level of corruption exists everywhere. It is has from time to time affected even the U.S. military. There are cases where USN members managed to smuggle F-14A fighter planes to middlemen trafficking them to Iran, at a sizable premium. It should be assumed some element of the IRGC could be similarly induced. Senator Feinstein indicates SIGINT related evidence has been obtained, but she offered no details.

    But it is highly unlikely that the leadership of IRIG and even the command of IRGC/Quds were involved in this. After all, the assassination/bombing plot idea was a pushed suggestion of the USGOV to the FBI to the DEA informant, and not anyone from Iran’s.

  271. Empty says:

    Perhaps this is a bit more helpful:

    When the DEA shut down its dummy corporation operation codenamed SWORDFISH in 1986, they had generated $400 million which they let sit around; fifteen years of compound interest has swelled it to $9.5 billion. A covert counter-terrorist unit called Black Cell, headed by the duplicitious and suave Gabriel Shear, wants the money to help finance their raise-the-stakes vengeance war against international terrorism, but it’s all locked away behind super-encryption. He brings in convicted hacker Stanley Jobson, who only wants to see his daughter Holly again but can’t afford the legal fees, to slice into the government mainframes and get the money.

  272. Empty says:

    I was flipping the channels and ran into this little movie (Swordfish 2001) playing on ION TV. I got the following plot from: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0244244/synopsis

    Stanley Jobson (Hugh Jackman) is an elite hacker who infected the FBI’s Carnivore program with a potent computer virus, delaying its deployment by several years. For this, he was arrested by Agent Roberts (Don Cheadle), convicted of computer crimes and spent two years in Leavenworth. A condition of his parole is that he is forbidden from touching, much less using, a computer. His ex-wife, Melissa, has sole custody over their daughter Holly and some form of restraining order against Stanley from seeing Holly.

    While Stanley is at home in rural Texas practicing his golf swing, a woman named Ginger Knowles (Halle Berry) shows up to solicit his hacking skills for her boss Gabriel Shear (John Travolta). For an initial $100,000 he agrees to meet with Gabriel. He and Ginger fly to Los Angeles, California and meet Gabriel in a night club. Gabriel pressures Stanley right-then-and-there to hack a government system in 60 seconds while at gun point and receiving oral sex. Although it was just a test (the gun was not loaded) Stanley succeeded in hacking the system, a feat that Gabriel had not anticipated.

    At Gabriel’s house he convinces Stanley to write a worm for $10 million that steals money from a secret government slush fund on the order of $9.5 billion. Gabriel reveals to Stanley that he works for an organization called the Black Cell that was started by J. Edgar Hoover in the 1950s, which is responsible for retaliatory attacks against terrorists who have attacked Americans. It is currently headed by Senator Reisman. Reisman discovers that the FBI has caught onto Gabriel and attempts to pull the plug. After Gabriel refuses to terminate plans Reisman attempts to have Gabriel killed, which fails. Gabriel tracks the Senator down while he is fly fishing in Bend, Oregon and kills Reisman.

    Gabriel proceeds with his plan and raids the local branch of the WORLDBANC. He takes hostages and deploys Stanley’s worm. After stealing the $9.5B he boards the hostages and his crew on a bus out of the bank. Gabriel demands a plane at the local airport (a hostage negotiation cliché) but it was a diversion. An S-64 Aircrane swoops down, lifts the bus, and releases it on the rooftop of a skyscraper. From the rooftop, Gabriel departs with his team in a helicopter which is shot down by Stanley with a rocket-propelled grenade. At the morgue, Stanley realizes it was more misdirection and Gabriel was not on the helicopter and “Gabriel Shear” is an alias.

    The end of the film shows Ginger and “Gabriel” in Monte Carlo transferring that $9.5B into other accounts. The final scene shows a yacht being destroyed and a news anchor voice narrating that a suspected terrorist died on that yacht.

    ===Alternate ending===

    The DVD version contains an alternate ending wherein Ginger is told in the bank that the account is already empty, alluding to the possibility that Stanley has played one final trick on them and taken the money himself. In a companion scene to the alternate ending, Stanley is shown on a trip with his daughter in a brand new RV. While eating at a diner, Stanley is shown transferring many billion dollars to various charities before continuing his trip.

  273. Pirouz_2 says:

    Eric A. Brill says:
    October 15, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Eric;
    My understanding from what you wrote is that -to say the least- you have doubts that the Iranian government orchrasted or had knowledge of the “plot”.
    Assuming that there was indeed a plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador, do you have any guess or speculation as to who might be behind it?

  274. Pirouz says:

    I’m going to interject a remotely relevant family anecdote here.

    Prior to becoming Minister of Education and President of the University of Tehran, around 1930 my grandfather was the Governor of Kermanshah. It was his first major position in Iran’s government.

  275. James Canning says:

    SteveWalt notes Obama is “doubling-down” on the so-called plot. But providing no more evidence.

  276. James Canning says:

    kooshy,

    Perhaps there are other cousins of the supposed plotter from Kermanshah, who work in the interests of peace in the Middle East. Wonder if the Washington Post would cover that story?

  277. James Canning says:

    I notice that the Washington Post’s story about a cousin of the so-called plotter who wanted to kill the Saudi ambaasador, is the most-viewed story for that newspaper. And the story tries to portray Iran as the enemy of American troops in Iraq.

  278. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    I agree with your comments made to Oleg. Israel has long been trying to manipulate public opinion in the US, to induce an American attack on Iran. This is an on-going conspiracy, literally.

  279. Voice of Tehran says:

    oleg says:
    October 15, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    You wrote :
    “”Just accept it, it will happen taking in regard the present situation.”"

    oleg , after the 2006 Libanon war , a top zionist cabal leader confessed , that during the 33 day war , it was the first time ever , that the Cabals could not read through the ‘enemies’ thoughts , do you get this point ??

  280. James Canning says:

    The Financial Times has interesting report today: “Riyadh seizes chance to deepen Iran’s isolation”. Family ties of King Abdullah, with Syria, appear to have “helped the hawkish wing inside the Saudi royal family win over the king’s support for a more confrontational policy with Iran”.

  281. fyi says:

    oleg says: October 15, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    You are wrong; Israelis will not attack Iran.

    Their effort has been to get US to do that.

    Israelis are supreme realists; they will not attack Iran and become identified – in the minds of Iranians – with Yazid, Shmr, and other Evil Doers of Kerbala. [There are enough Iranins there in Israel to warn Israelis.]

  282. kooshy says:

    I noticed in the WP article linked earlier by Client. There was a simple lack of fact check for a current name of city in Iran.
    The irony is, that the serial propaganda writers who are hired by the US government’s propaganda agencies “Department of Information” to continually write negative articles about Iran and Iran’s government to are not disciplined to even do a simple fact check like the current name of a city in Iran or anywhere else, like serial soap opera script writers they just have to pen out whatever garbage they can come up with, their editors are hoping that not many people will ever read the body of the article, therefore what will matters is just the headline which they will chose and not the author of the article.

    Here is a sample

    “Shahlai’s cousin in the United States is Mansour Arbabsiar, who had grown up with him in the Iranian city of Kermanshah (now Bakhtaran) but emigrated to Texas in the late 1970s.”

    The city’s name was changed back to Kermanshah a few years after the war by its residence, “Now” is not Bakhtaran.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/notorious-iranian-militant-has-a-connection-to-alleged-assassination-plot-against-saudi-envoy/2011/10/14/gIQAJ3E6kL_story.html?hpid=z2

  283. oleg says:

    Unknown Unknowns: You seems to be in denial, trust me I dont want Israel to start another war but I am realistic and we should be awake this fall for israeli attacks on Iran. Just accept it, it will happen taking in regard the present situation.

  284. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Oleg:

    I’m not saying it doesn’t make sense. To repeat myself (and I quote):

    Its the certainty that I’m asking about.

    You said most definitely. Was that just you playing loose with words, or do you know something we don’t?

    Yeah, I didn’t think so.

    It’s OK. Don’t feel bad. We all put our hoofs in our mouths once in a while.

  285. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Interesting: This is the second clip of Fox news talking about this Complaint as if it were “a Marx brothers script without the Marx brothers.” (In the first clip from Faux News, the same guy (“Judge”?) called the allegation “ridiculous”). This is Fauz News, now. I guess it’s because it is a Democratic Justice Department, and specifically Bwanna Dik’s Justice Department. Yeah… that’s how partisan they are.

    http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2011/10/14/michael-scheuer-just-another-sting-to-benefit-israel/

  286. oleg says:

    unknown unknowns:
    It makes perfectly sense. This is a golden opportunity for israel to strike iran, which they have wanted to do for so long. This is real.

  287. When talking or writing about this Iran/Saudi Arabian incident, I believe it’s wise to keep in mind an important distinction that very many people here in the US seem to ignore, undoubtedly to the delight of those who insist the Iranian government was behind this plot.

    The distinction is between:

    1. Whether the alleged plot occurred.

    2. Whether top Iranian officials orchestrated the plot, or at least knew of it and explicitly or implicitly approved it.

    A danger arises in this debate if that distinction is not kept clearly in mind, as my recent discussions with several friends and relatives have made clear. In each case, the other person claimed to be taking an unbiased view, and probably believed that he or she was. But the expression of that lack of bias made clear to me that the deck was stacked against me going in. Here is a typical phrasing of this “lack of bias:”

    “I’m starting with a blank slate here, the same as you. I want to see evidence just as much as you do. I’m not going to just take the word of the US government that this plot occurred.”

    Sound fair? It’s not. The added sentence below would make it fair:

    “I’m starting with a blank slate here, the same as you. I want to see evidence just as much as you do. I’m not going to just take the word of the US government that this plot occurred. And even if I’m persuaded that the plot did occur, I won’t be persuaded that the Iranian government had anything at all to do with it, or even knew about it, unless I see evidence of that.”

    In my discussions, nothing like this added sentence has appeared. As a result, several people with whom I’ve discussed the matter have cited evidence of the plot as if it amounts to evidence on both questions. I can’t say that any of them have explicitly claimed that “plot evidence” is also “Iranian government complicity” evidence, but it’s very much worth noting that “plot evidence” seems to be the only type of evidence that any of them has cited in our conversations. Whenever I turn the discussion to the separate and critical second question – whether or not the Iranian government had anything to do with this plot – they inevitably, and often even abruptly, steer the conversation back to evidence of the plot.

    If someone really understands that “plot evidence” is nothing more than evidence that a plot occurred, one would expect him at some point to offer at least some small amount of “Iranian government complicity” evidence. That has not occurred in any of my conversations so far. From this, I conclude that most or all of the people with whom I’ve discussed this so far will be satisfied on BOTH points – i.e. (1) that the plot occurred; and (2) that the Iranian government was involved somehow – if the US government simply puts forth persuasive evidence that the plot occurred (which it has done).

    The upshot of this, for discussions of this Iran/Saudi Arabia matter, is that those who doubt Iran’s involvement should not dwell long on the “plot.” Instead, suggest that both sides assume, for the sake of discussion, that the plot occurred as the US government claims, and jump right to the shaky ground in the US government’s argument: its unsupported allegation that the plot was orchestrated, or at least known, by the highest levels of the Iranian government.

  288. Unknown Unknowns says:

    The Rahbar has stated: “They (the US) say that they want to isolate Iran, (but) they are themselves isolated; today, no country is more hated than the US in the world,” Khamenei said in a speech in Gilan-e Gharb in the western province of Kermanshah [IRNA, 15 October].

    I wonder how true that is, about the US being the most ‘hated’ country in the world. It is undoubtedly true in the middle east, and even the greater world of Islam, or in ‘Islamdom’ as Marshall Hodgson used to say (may God have mercy on his soul). But what about China, India, Africa, South America? Is it true there too? Or is this an indication of a certain provincialism on the part of the good ayatollah?

    Perhaps his unspoken assumption is to speak in terms of the opinions of the more politically conscious members of humanity?

  289. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Clint, Eric Brill et al:

    Clint: thanks for linking to the actual complaint.

    Eric, Hillary and/ or whomever feels competent to respond. My question is this: is this complaint based on an alleged violation of the conspiracy statute (you know, the one that was laughed out of the House of Lords in James Canningistan, on the basis that it was preposterous and uncivilized), or does the complaint aver that a real and actual crime took place (without entrapment)?

    Thank you. I’ll take my answer off the air.

  290. Empty says:

    Unknown Unknowns,

    Yes, yes….it’s definitely “prey” and not “pray”….thank you for catching and correcting it….

  291. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Empty:

    A beautiful poem, and very apt for our times. Thank you!

    (A minor spelling correction, only because I think you would appreciate the pointer: ‘prey’ is spelled differently to ‘pray’).

  292. Empty says:

    “against the….” that is

  293. Empty says:

    Excerpts from Ayatollah Khamenei’s speech today in Gilangharb in which he spends not even a full 30 seconds to allude to (not even directly quote) about the allegations relevant to the topic of this post:

    Translation/interpretation from: http://farsi.khamenei.ir/speech-content?id=17568

    هر چند صباحى يك بار سياستگذارانشان، طراحانشان – به قول خودشان – در اتاقهاى فكر مى‌نشينند و عليه نظام جمهورى اسلامى و ملت ايران يك طرحى ميريزند؛ اما خداى متعال اين طرحهاى عقيم را خنثى ميكند. در اين چند روز اخير، در همه‌ى مطبوعات و رسانه‌هاى تصويرى و صوتى و مكتوب و غيره – كه وابسته‌ى به شبكه‌ى صهيونيستى بين‌المللى بود – هياهو و جنجال كردند، يك تهمت بى‌معنى و مهملى را به چند نفر ايرانى در آمريكا نسبت دادند، اين را بهانه‌اى قرار دادند براى اينكه جمهورى اسلامى را به عنوان مدافع تروريسم مطرح كنند! نگرفت، نميگيرد. اينگونه توطئه‌ها مرتب و پى‌درپى از سوى آنها انجام ميگيرد، اما بى‌فايده و بى‌اثر.

    “Every once in a while, their politicians and planners gather– according to themselves— their think tanks and concoct a plan against to the Islamic Republic of Iran. However, the God almighty neutralizes their plans every time. In these past few days, in all their press prints, audio visual media and the like – that has been very much tied to International Zionist networks—create hoopla ha. They leveled a meaningless and silly charge against a few Iranians in the US and they used it as an excuse to portray the Islamic Republic as a defender of terrorists. It didn’t take. It shall not take. These sorts of tricks are constantly and regularly conducted by them but it is useless and ineffective.”

  294. Unknown Unknowns says:

    For the benefit of the non-Persian speakers who might be lead to thinking that Ayatollah Khamenei said something to the effect that “it’s time to put the US in its place,” this is not the case. What the link stated was that he said that Iran will stand against oppression and will will not retreat [in the face of oppression].

  295. Empty says:

    Once upon a time an eagle…..

    Source: Poem by Naser Khosro, Excerpts from Naser Khosro Collection of Poems, Edited by J. Sho’ar, Naser Khosro Publishing, Tehran.

    روزی ز سر سنگ عقابی به هوا خاست…..وندر طلب طعمه پر و بال بیاراست
    بر راستی بال نظر کرد و چنین گفت…..امروز همه روی جهان زیر پر ماست
    بر اوج چو پرواز کنم از نظر تیز ….می بینم اگر ذره ای اندر ته دریاست
    گر برسر خاشاک یکی پشّه بجنبد….جنبیدن آن پشه عیان در نظر ماست
    بسیار منی کرد و ز تقدیر نترسید…..بنگر که ازین چرخ جفا پیشه چه برخاست
    ناگه ز کمینگاه یکی سخت کمانی….تیری ز قضای بد بگشاد برو راست
    بر بال عقاب آمد آن تیر جگر سوز…..وز ابر مرو را سوی خاک فرو کاست
    بر خاک بیفتاد و بغلتید چو ماهی…..وانگاه پر خویش گشاد از چپ و از راست
    گفتا عجب است این که ز چوبی و ز آهن….این تیزی و تندی و پریدن ز کجا خاست؟
    زی تیر نگه کرد و پر خویش درو دید….گفتا: “ز که نالیم؟ از ماست که بر ماست.”

    Once upon a time, an eagle took off from [his nest] atop a rock and soared the skies in search of pray. He observed the majestic stretch of his wings to his right and to his left. Filled with pride, he looked down beneath at all creatures on earth and boasted, “Today, the world is under my feather. When I soar the heavens and surveil, I can see the tiniest speck buried deep in the oceans. I can see a mosquito’s ever so gentle move over down below. Nothing can escape the power of my surveillance. Absolutely dissolved in and preoccupied by his own ego, he suddenly felt a piercing pain on his wing and began to fall. As he fell and rolled like a fish on the ground like, he searched for the source of his pain and fall in his left and then right wing. He found an arrow penetrated deep within and wondered, “this is built from a piece of wood and iron, where did it obtain such power, agility and piercing in flight?” Upon closer examination, he saw one of his own features affixed to the arrow and moaned, “Who to blame? For it is ‘of me’ that which brought down ‘me’.”

  296. Saman says:

    {I agree with Ayatollah Khamenei more than ever before.}

    Khomanei is a great leader in Iran and the region. Only his
    stupid enemies who are traitors spread propaganda against him.

  297. Iranian@Iran says:

    I agree with Ayatollah Khamenei more than ever before. It’s time to put the US in its place:

    http://www.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=13900723000599

  298. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Oleg says “At the same time Israel will in this fall most def attack Iran”

    I think you are “most def” not playing with a full deck, but just in case I’m wrong, what makes you so sure? Its the certainty that I’m asking about.

  299. Liz says:

    Aljazeera shows a debate on the so called plot. Note the digusting
    mentality of the pro-MEK American analyst. Personally, I believe the MEK
    had something to do with this story.

    http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/insidestory/2011/10/201110149153861830.html?utm_content=automateplus&utm_campaign=Trial6&utm_source=SocialFlow&utm_medium=MasterAccount&utm_term=tweets

  300. Castellio says:

    The appeals of the Leveretts to Obama are a bit strange, I find, but perhaps reflect some rhetorical protocol within the Belt that I don’t perceive.

    I preferred Flynt when he simply called it like it was saying that Obama had lied to the Turks and the Brazilians regarding their successful negotiations with Iran about nuclear materials.

    Obama lies to the American people consistently. After all is said and done, he and Tony Blair are cut from the same cloth. Traitors to the interests of their own country, excellent at feathering their nests whole serving the most venial of conservative elites.

  301. Saman says:

    “I’m not an expert, but we’re going to look at it very, very seriously,” Russia’s U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin told reporters. “We have sent all the information received to Moscow. There will be contacts, and they’ll look at it very seriously.”

    No one should trust either Russia or China. Both like US ARE CRIMINAL STATES. These criminal states voted for illegal sanctions against Iran and sacrificed Libyan people for the RIGHT PRICE which destroyed Libya. Both like Israel and US are the enemies of Muslims.

    Down with Russia and China. Now, both are playing the same damn game in Syria.

    Both Russia and China have their citizens in Israel working against Muslim. Russia has more than a million Russians in Israel and has a very good relation with the apartheid state. Both have killed many Muslims. Both have used Iran card to cash in. Iranians must boycott Chinese garbage where has infested the planet. These criminal states do anything possible to cash in.

    But Russian and Chinese diplomats reacted cautiously when asked whether they found the evidence presented by Rice and other U.S. officials to be credible.

  302. Oleg says:

    Both palestinians and iranians are getting played.

    If it wasnt for Iran (that Israel/US liked to portray as the puppet master of Hamas) gilad wouldnt be free in the coming days/weeks. Unfortunately Iran is getting played because when the jewish soldier is out of Gaza Israel will keep bombing Gaza again, now with no second thought of getting gilad killed or lost forever. At the same time Israel will in this fall most def attack Iran, they could do that now since they got gilad.
    So after all, releasing gilad wasnt a good deal for palestinians and therefore iranians.

  303. Fiorangela says:

    tutorial on 21st century western political science, applied to ME states

    http://www.booktv.org/Watch/12846/After+Words+Bruce+Bueno+de+Mesquita+Alastair+Smith+The+Dictators+Handbook+Why+Bad+Behavior+is+Almost+Always+Good+Politics+hosted+by+Anne+Gearan+Associated+Press+National+Security+Editor.aspx

    “Qaddafi made the mistake of being too nice to the people . . . In Pakistan, it was probably a mistake to urge for a vote, Pakistan did better under military dictatorship . . .Mubarak’s mistake was that he got old, therefore, his few but powerful [read, wealthy] supporters calculated that he was no longer going to be receiving Western foreign aid.

    nota bene, at 46 min: “Israel will require a great deal more aid from US to act in face of different situations in Egypt, Libya, Syria. Will US pay Israel what it requires? My guess is, Yes.”

  304. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Empty:

    Yes, the frog’s vocal chords (*sic*) are particularly well-suited to the Abu ‘Ata improvisational mode! Hadn’t heard that one before. LOL.

  305. Empty says:

    Those who continue to advocate for development of a nuclear bomb by Iran are not, I think, properly and logically assessing the facts. Iran has been, is, and will be winning “the war” without a single nuclear bomb. That IS the point.

    Let’s put the military might of Iran’s enemies aside for a moment (and not to compare whose penis is larger–sorry folks who might have a delicate sense), that Iran’s enemies overwhelmingly and decidedly control the airwaves and every conceivable channel of communication/mass media/propaganda and Hollywood and Bollywood and video games and movies and miniseries and books and blogs and on and on, each of which are quite expensive (economically and socially resource intensive) endeavor is not too difficult to prove. Just in this latest episode (of soft war), Iran’s energy expenditure was a total of less than 50 minutes person hour (this includes air time on PressTV, Khabar channel, and Mehmanparast’s very brief time on the air dismissing the allegations–which by the way, was a tiny fraction of what the US officials have done). In contrast, days and hours spent on the subject by Iran’s enemies (you could actually quantify this with a simple 2-hour content analysis) to actually portray the US administration as deceitful fools and vindicate (yet again) Iran have been, to put it mildly, significant (quantitatively and qualitatively). The funny part of the whole thing is that the US propaganda machines reach to places that PressTV and Khabar could have never dreamed of reaching.

    To win without a single nuclear bomb without any significant propaganda machine (and let’s face it, Iranians TV programs producers, movie makers and the like, for most parts, are nothing to brag about), IS the point.

  306. Empty says:

    RE: And on the issue of Hotline as I’ve explained earlier in RFI dialogue is always beneficial if it is between intelligent parties that are capable of detecting deceptions.

    This suggestion already assumes (incorrectly) that the person on the US end of the hotline would be an honest person free of deception.

  307. Empty says:

    RE: Qods Force being infiltrated by double agents….

    The very process that makes “Qods Force” a Qods Force makes سگ اصحاب کهف آدم [turns the Sleepers of Ephesus' dog into human]…..people worry too much.

  308. Empty says:

    RE: Can someone explain me why FOX is hosting freedom watch? I always thought fox is warmongering Chanel?!!

    آب که سر بالا بره، قورباغه هم ابو عطا میخونه

  309. BiBiJon says:

    Does China believe the plot?
    =======================

    UNITED NATIONS — America’s allies said Thursday that U.S. evidence of an Iranian plot to kill Saudi Arabia’s ambassador in Washington is convincing, but Russia and China reacted cautiously.

    Susan Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, briefed top envoys from the 14 other Security Council nations Wednesday as part of a U.S. diplomatic campaign to use the alleged plot as a springboard for increased international condemnation of Iran and, perhaps, for new sanctions.

    The allies said the evidence presented by Rice clearly showed the involvement of Iranian officials — but left unanswered the question of whether Iran’s top political and religious leaders knew about the plot.

    But Russian and Chinese diplomats reacted cautiously when asked whether they found the evidence presented by Rice and other U.S. officials to be credible.

    “I’m not an expert, but we’re going to look at it very, very seriously,” Russia’s U.N. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin told reporters. “We have sent all the information received to Moscow. There will be contacts, and they’ll look at it very seriously.”

    China’s deputy ambassador Wang Min said only, “they’re still investigating, right?”

    From http://www.khaleejtimes.com/displayarticle.asp?xfile=data/international/2011/October/international_October537.xml&section=international&col=

  310. Unknown Unknowns says:

    The outlines seem to be crystallizing thus (to scale up to the big picture necessarily involves simplification and drawing in broad brush-strokes, putting in black and white a myriad greytones; but that is the nature of the bird’s eye lens) :

    A cosmic battle on an epic scale: Shi’a Iran, and increasingly Iraq, with Lebanon (the Shi’a of that country in alliance with the Maronite Christians under General Michel A’oun, and secular but independent Syria – these countries with all their flaws, against the totalitarian forces of decadent capital and its exigencies, the US, NATO, EU, their colonial outpost with its racist trappings and its vicious daily brutality, and lest we forget, last but not least, the biggest traitor and poison to the cause of the indigenous religion, the House of Sa’ud, with all the fundamentalist salafi takfiri Brotherhood out of sync medieval thinking that lies in its wake.

    By mid-century, the defeat of the Hegemon will be complete, with the other nations in the region reaching critical mass in terms of their political consciousness, distancing themselves from their erstwhile masters, and joining the resistance. By mid-century, the region, including the Persian Gulf itself, will have been purged of the presence of foreign forces, bases, naval stations, and the struggle’s focus, having prevailed in the Heartland of the Abrahamic faiths, will shift focus to the US, where the churches, starting with the Presbyterian and Episcopal, but with the Baptist not far behind, will engage the dying spirit of the dynamic of unfettered capital for the whole of the second half of the century.

    This is what I took away from the latest posting on Voltairnet.org, some of which is reproduced below:

    Thierry Meyssan: The western Catholic press is staging an all-out attack against the new Maronite Patriarch and his hostile reaction to an international intervention for regime change in Syria. His detractors accuse him of collaboration with the “dictatorship of the Assad’s”. Is it true that the Christian minority in the Middle-East is afraid of democracy?

    Mother Agnès-Mariam of the Cross:

    The West is so full of pride that it cannot imagine a different civil order could possibly exist, even thought theirs is facing an insoluble social, economical and moral crisis. In traditional societies loyal to the ancestral system inherited from biblical times, there are other ways, other parameters to organize the everyday life of the society. I am thinking about the patriarchal system. I am thinking about the system based on alliances among families, tribes, cities, regions and countries; a federal system based on freedom and the particular interests of the family, the tribe, attached to the land of the ancestors. Unfortunately the West has swept away the concept of belonging to the land, the family, the ethnic group, in short the ontological identity. The Western model is not based on the acknowledgement of the individual but on external interests. It is in the name of what is economically expedient that they sacrifice — for the benefit of the multinationals — the principles of the homeland, the family and personal identity. We don’t realize that we are caught up in a much more unbridled and evil totalitarianism than the small authoritarian regimes which they seek to overthrow. The latter at least have the merit of availing themselves of the social, identity, family, tribal and clan network of our mysterious Orient. I am conscious of the fact that, seen from a distance, our happy life is completely incomprehensible for the West.

  311. amir says:

    Can someone explain me why FOX is hosting freedom watch? I always thought fox is warmongering Chanel?!!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHqfuXl31YY&feature=player_embedded

  312. Persian Gulf says:

    fyi says:
    October 14, 2011 at 11:05 pm

    مرا مرگ بهتر از آن زنده گی—-که سالار باشم کنم بنده گی

    یکی داستان زد برین بر پلنگ—-چو با شیر جنگ آورش خواست جنگ

    بنام ار بریزی مرا گفت خون—-بــه از زندگانی به ننگ اندرون

  313. Unknown Unknowns says:

    “Prime Minister Stephen Harper took direct aim at Iran on Friday, describing the regime as the biggest threat in the world to peace and security.”

    I thought this reaction from Michael Rivero of WhatReallyHappened.com was nice and succinct:

    Since the 1979 Iranian revolution and the downfall of the US Puppet Ruler the Shah, Iran has been an Islamic state. In that interval of time, 1979 to the present, Iran has not invaded anyone. Not once. People of all religions live in peace in Iran, even Jews, who find life so comfortable in Iran they refused an offer by the government of Israel to emigrate!

    In the same period of time, Israel, a self-declared Jewish state, attacked Iraq in 1981, bombing the power station at Osirik, claiming it was a clandestine weapons factory. Subsequent examination of the ruins following the 2003 invasion proved Israel had lied. In 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon. This led to the Massacres at Sabra and Shatilla. In February 2003 Israel stages incursions into Gaza and Nablus. In September 2007 Israel bombs Syria, again insisting they are destroying a clandestine weapons laboratory. Again there is no evidence to support Israel’s claims. In 2006, Israel attacks Lebanon, killing 1200, mostly civilians, several UN observers, and littering the landscape with land mines on their way out.In February 2008 Israel again raids Gaza, killing over 100. HAMAS agrees to a cease fire and keeps it for 6 months until November 4, when Israel again attacks, killing 6 HAMAS members, launching operation CAST LEAD. 1300 Gazans, mostly civilians, are killed. Israel loses 13 soldiers. Violations of international law include the use of White Phosphorus incendiary bombs against civilians and non-military targets. The United Nations investigates, but Israel refuses to cooperate. In May 2010, Israel attacks an international aid flotilla bring food and medical supplies to Gaza in international waters. 9 people are murdered including an American from New York. Add to it the numerous assassinations such as last year’s embarrassment in Dubai, and you get the picture, even without the overtly racist and apartheid statements coming from Israel’s rabbis.

    In the same period of time, the United States, officially a secular nation but predominantly Christian, attacked El Salvador (1980), Libya (1981), Sinai (1982), Lebanon (1982 1983), Egypt (1983), Grenada (1983), Honduras (1983), Chad (1983), Persian Gulf (1984), Libya (1986) , Bolivia (1986), Iran (1987), Persian Gulf (1987), Kuwait (1987), Iran (1988), Honduras (1988), Panama (1988), Libya (1989), Panama (1989), Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru (1989), Philippines (1989), Panama (1989-1990), Liberia (1990), Saudi Arabia (1990), Iraq (1991), Zaire (1991), Sierra Leone (1992), Somalia (1992), Bosnia-Herzegovina (1993 to present), Macedonia (1993), Haiti (1994), Macedonia (1994), Bosnia (1995), Liberia (1996), Central African Republic (1996), Albania (1997), Congo/Gabon (1997), Sierra Leon (1997), Cambodia (1997), Iraq (1998), Guinea/Bissau (1998), Kenya/Tanzania (1998 to 1999), Afghanistan/Sudan (1998), Liberia (1998), East Timor (1999), Serbia (1999), Sierra Leon (2000), Yemen (2000), East Timor (2000), Afghanistan (2001 to present), Yemen (2002), Philippines (2002) , Cote d’Ivoire (2002), Iraq (2003 to present), Liberia (2003), Georgia/Djibouti (2003), Haiti (2004), Georgia/Djibouti/Kenya/Ethiopia/Yemen/Eritrea War on Terror (2004), Pakistan drone attacks (2004 to present), Somalia (2007), South Ossetia/Georgia (2008), Syria (2008), Yemen (2009), Haiti (2010), etc. etc. etc. etc.

    So, who is the danger to world peace?

  314. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Maybe Team Weasel’s plan in this accusation was to have several of our key octogenarian ayatollahs die laughing???

    Don’t laugh: there is precedent for this sort of psyop:

    “If we publicly declare that Cuba is a threat to our security, 40 million Mexicans will die laughing.” -Mexican ambassador to the United States, in response to the Kennedy administration’s 1961 call to collective action against Cuba.

    Joke warfare: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhmnOpoGAPw

  315. fyi says:

    Persian Gulf says: October 14, 2011 at 10:43 pm

    مهتری گر به کام شیر در است

    شو خطر کن ز کام شیر بجوی

    یا بزرگی و عز و نعمت و جاه

    یا چو مردانت مرگ رویاروی

  316. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Pictures from Sirte.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049108/Libya-wars-stand-Sirte-Pictures-city-shelled-smithereens.html

    Funny how the ‘protection of civilians’ looks like.

  317. Unknown Unknowns says:

    Press TV Taken Off Air In UK – War For Freedom Of Speech Now On

    http://theintelhub.com/2011/10/14/press-tv-taken-off-air-in-uk-%E2%80%93-war-for-freedom-of-speech-now-on/

  318. Persian Gulf says:

    fyi says:
    October 14, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    and Saudi ambassadors, here and there, shutting their mouths would have shuttled between Tehran and Washington begging to bring the two antagonists into the same table.

  319. fyi says:

    James Canning says: October 14, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    As I written before, Mr. Obama’s Iran policy was at a dead-end in 2010 and it is at a dead-end in 2011.

    So is the general US policy.

    If you read US commentators on the Internet and the printed media; you are struck by how many of those outside of US government have no truts in the veracity of USG case.

    Indeed, this episode clearly demonstrates the urgent need for strategic rapproachment between US and Iran.

    But, I turst, US leaders and planners, like their GM counter-parts, will continue on this path until the final bankruptcy.

  320. fyi says:

    Persian Gulf says: October 14, 2011 at 9:44 pm

    I agree.

    Enough is enough as Americans say.

    Thank God for Mr. Khamenei and his steadfast and courageous leadership in face of such provocation.

    The time for nuclear test is not now; perhaps later.

    But you are right; a few tens of 100 kiloton weapons in Iranian hands would make such provocations and fabriactions impossible.

  321. Persian Gulf says:

    I think whatever the true story, the whole episode itself shows Iran’s vulnerability and the necessity of making the cloud. the fact that Iranian officials, and unofficials, rushed in to deny the case altogether shows how afraid they are. otherwise, if Iran was openly known to have even a few nuclear weapons, a news like this won’t make a mess of this magnitude. if I am confident of my ability to deter, and the trust of my friends as well, I don’t care what my enemies say to some extent.

  322. Persian Gulf says:

    amir says:
    October 14, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    you remind me of some Iranian conspiracy theorists, particularly idiots like Daryoush Sajjadi and junk like پیچک انحراف that he wrote few years ago.

  323. Reza Esfandiari says:

    Col. Shaffer (retired U.S Army) scoffs at the allegations:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP7C8RbnbqY

    But our resident Harvard-trained lawyer, Eric Brill, should be able to get to the bottom of all this if at least some of the important facts surrounding the case are divulged.

    Isn’t it odd that the attorney-general should himself be embroiled with problems concerning Mexican drug lords and government arms that ended up with them? Surely, coincidence has its limits?

  324. Pirouz says:

    Adding to my comment regarding Porter’s analysis, there had been a “roundtable” of sorts over at the SST blog. There, retired USA military intelligence COL Lang and retired CIA officer Philip Giraldi have been scratching their heads as to what is the ultimate object of this USGOV initiative involving DEA/FBI/DOJ/DOS and quite likely POTUS?

    There have been suggestions such as a ‘trial balloon” for war with Iran, the effective drubbing of Ahmadinejad’s offer to cease 20% LEU and more. My suggestion is that perhaps, somehow MEK enters into the calculation. But it’s all speculation at this point.

    I also wonder how high up into the IRGC “food chain” has been ensnarled by the drug trafficking query of Arbabsiar to which was manipulated through investigative technique into an associated USGOV suggested bombing/assassination. My own Senator Feinstein claims evidence of captured SIGINT but offers no specific details.

  325. Fara says:

    Some refelection from the Arab street.

    Arab News, which is heavily moderated by the Saudi government (e.g. Pro-Iran comments are hardly get through), had published this article(“US ties Iran to major terror plot”) on its website on Oct 11. The article has been ranked as the most commented one so far. I was going through the comments and found out this:

    Out of 39 comments, only 3 were in favor of the article. The rest said this is another lie put forward by US (Israel) to divide muslims and take advantge of it. Reading comments will be interesting.

    http://arabnews.com/world/article516235.ece?comments=all#comments

  326. Humanist says:

    BiBiJon

    I agree with lots of your assertions in this website yet at times I sense that I’m diametrically opposed to some.

    Don’t you think when we make big claims like “Mossad is riddled with double agents” we MUST back the claim with all kinds of evidence?

    I strongly recommend you reading “By way of Deception” by Victor Ostovsky (it is a must read for anyone interested in the history of Mossad). In my view Israelis are extremely extremely hard to buy while, very unfortunately, Iranians can be bought for ‘dime a dozen’ (looking back at history of Iran in the last 2 centuries).

    I feel deep affection for Iran and its advanced culture, yet in my amateurish studies on history of the country I have come across appalling stories of unwarranted treasons.

    And on the issue of Hotline as I’ve explained earlier in RFI dialogue is always beneficial if it is between intelligent parties that are capable of detecting deceptions. Dialogue, logically, can never be harmful while lack of dialogue has the potential for creating unwanted destructions.

  327. Rehmat says:

    James Canning – Both the US and Israel don’t want a democratically elected civilian government in Cairo. Their experience is that it’s easy to control a dictatorship than an elected government. US-Israel fears that if the military junta hold free elections – Muslim Brotherhood will hold a better hand of cards. MB has not called for the cancellation of Egypt-Israel marriage but it’s quite outspoken in support for Palestinian cause.

    Several senior members of MB has already visited Iran this year and have praised Islamic Revolution. One must remember that Egyptian Islamist, Sayyed Qutb’s writings played a major part in educating young Iranian revolutionaries.

  328. masoud says:

    I think these events may put Mullen’s request for a ‘direct military line of communication’ back in September in a new light.

    Theory:
    There’s been a political determination mad that a ‘limited’ strike against Iran to boost the Administration’s prospects is warranted. Arbabsiar is the Administration’s foray into laying the justifications for such a strike against Iran. The ‘Red Phone’ proposal was an initiative from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who have been briefed on the Administration’s expectations, to contain any ‘fallout’ from such a strike, eg:”We are only going to conduct limited strikes against assets a, b & c. Evacuate as many personnel as you can in the next half hour, and for the love of God don’t hit back because then we would have no choice but to go down the road of all out war”.

    The scuttling of the Red Phone initiative lead to the acceleration of this time line of this plot by it’s backers in order to outflank the realists in this Administration, hence the ridiculous cover story. Alternately, the obviously bogus cover story is deliberate sabotage by some of the saner senior career officers of the the FBI/CIA/NSC, who don’t want to see this war happen.

  329. kooshy says:

    Omid says: October 14, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    “Remember Judith Miller who lied to American people to push war against Iraq
    for the interest of Israel?”

    “Now, she said the following about the dumbest plot ever:”

    “{Iran Assassination Plot Just Doesn’t Make Sense}”

    That’s exactly why they brought her in to just say that the story is not plausible, because they know she is no longer credible (lying shepherds are useful in propaganda wars) and what she says people tend to believe the reverse.
    But the irony of this all is, based on multiple events and theaters of operations the US propaganda designers are becoming clumsy and disorganized down to an amateurish level.

  330. kooshy says:

    A very well written analysis by the right Ray

    Petraeus’s CIA Fuels Iran Murder Plot

    By Ray McGovern, October 14, 2011
    http://original.antiwar.com/mcgovern/2011/10/13/petraeuss-cia-fuels-iran-murder-plot/

  331. Omid says:

    Eric Brill:

    Did you read the following sentence?

    {When Millar says this, you should tell how ROTTEN IS THE FABRICATED PLOT ITSLEF.}

    I wanted to show how badly this plot was designed, not to give credits to a liar.

  332. amir says:

    As an Iranian who has always followed all political issues very closely I think there are four possibility for this case:
    1-Involvement of rival countries (like Saudis and Israel):plausible
    2-Involvement of some groups like MEK: plausible
    3-Involvement of USA government: non plausible
    4-Involvement of some people in IR: plausible

    I don’t want to discuss the first 3 possibilities. The forth possibility I think is plausible and there are some scenarios: (Remember Iranian regime is not coherent and unified entity. It has never been and never will be. I agree with you that Iranian administration are not stupid and actually I think most of them are very smart and intelligent, however, since they are many powerful rival sections sometimes they do things which are not in Iran broad interests. For example, Iran-contra was exposed by one of these factions which was totally against Iran interests. Or some operation has been conducted by Saeed Emami and his group during Rafsanjani era that actually damaged Iranian security)
    1-Block the possible improvements in Iran/US relationship: Recently we have seen many signs from Ahamdinejad and his group to improve the relationship with USA. In his recent trip to USA he actually proposed a practical Nuclear deal and there were some remorse that Mashaee came to US to start some negotiations. It is very possible that some other faction of the regime which is against any improvement of relationships plot this. Actually they intentionally done this in a way that could easily discovered by US government. One of the things that intensify this scenario is the fact that the target was not American and actually was not important at all. So the whole plot will not cause a war and just block the possible improvements in relationships.
    2-Blackmailing khamenei: Another possibility is to blackmail senior people in Iran’s regime. It is possible that a militaristic part of the regime plot this operation to show the political parts it could cause too much trouble if they don’t be obedient.

  333. Omid,

    Thanks for pointing out that Judith Miller is on Iran’s side here. I was impressed enough to read the kind words from Kenneth Katzman. But Judith Miller? My goodness. Can John Bolton be far behind?

  334. Omid says:

    Remember Judith Miller who lied to American people to push war against Iraq
    for the interest of Israel?

    Now, she said the following about the dumbest plot ever:

    {Iran Assassination Plot Just Doesn’t Make Sense}

    http://www.newsmax.com/Miller/Iran-Assassination-Plot-conspiracy/2011/10/12/id/414148

    When Millar says this, you should tell how ROTTEN IS THE FABRICATED PLOT ITSLEF.

    Ray McGovern believes that David Petraeus, helped craft the screenplay for this week’s White House spy feature: The Iranian-American-used-car-salesman-Mexican-drug-cartel plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the US.

    Now, is going to be a fight over “the dumbest person of the year” AWARD among holder, petraeus, clinton, biden and….. add in whoever you think deserves to have this outstanding award.

  335. Unknown Unknowns says:

    RSH says “Anyone who says he [Barry "White" Obama] is sincere about either issue is a complete idiot.”

    Agree 100%.

    I call someone an idiot at Nader Uskowi’s blog (for saying Iran was isolating herself or some such tripe after the international equivalent of the FAA banned Iran Air or some thing), and Nader told me not to use that word, whereupon I pointed him to RFI if he wanted to know how to run a real blog and not to censor commenters. I said if he believed that “idiot” should be censored, then he was an idiot. Needless to say, he censored my comment :D

  336. James Canning says:

    Stephen Walt says, quite rightly, that Obama needs to have more “smoking gun” evidence on the so-called “plot”. Don’t need another Colin Powell at the UN blunder.

  337. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Regarding potential loss of face, we have seen no reaction by the Obama administration, to Ahmadinejad’s offer to cease Iranian production of 20% U, and instead to buy needed supplies from the US. Only a few weeks ago, we heard grave warnings that Iranian production of 20% U indicated a drive toward building nuclear weapons.

  338. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    I think there are potential upsides for Iran, and for peace for that matter, if the “plot” is exposed as a set-up or hoax.

  339. James Canning says:

    Regarding Egypt and the attitude the new government will have toward Israel and Iran, I think that the government of Iran expects Egypt to recognise and continue in the effect the treaty with Israel. But the new government may well be more friendly toward Iran, in the manner of the interim gov’t.

  340. fyi says:

    James Canning says: October 14, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Yes, a few more days of this and I wonder how Mr. Obama and USG are going to back-track without loosing face.

    This was indeed a blessing for Iran; discrditing US even more (and Canada, and UK, and Saudi Arabia.)

    I have told you before; “God will turn their tricks against them.”

  341. James Canning says:

    BiBiJon,

    Good point, that Ahmadinejad says Iran does not see the US as an “enemy”. Nor does it see the people of Israel as “enemies”.

    Interesting angle, that to adopt the “red line” communications setup would be to “codify” the two countries as being adverse parties.

  342. James Canning says:

    fyi,

    Clearly the promoters of the “plot” had cooperation from Saudi Arabia.

  343. James Canning says:

    BiBiJon,

    Yes, there are strong grounds for seeing this so-called “plot” as a diversionary tactic. And what a preposterous claim, by the Israeli ambassador (that the illegal Jewish colonies in the West Bank are not the problem).

  344. James Canning says:

    Wilbur,

    I assume you do not dispute the fact Obama was enabled to position himself for a run for the White House, due to strong support from some very rich and powerful Jewish families in Chicago. Without that support, his chances would have been zero.

  345. BiBiJon says:

    James Canning says:
    October 14, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    On a sie note, did anyone notice the contention of Michael Oren, Israel’s ambassador to the US, in the pages of the Washington Post today, that the illegal colonies in the West Bank are “not the problem”!

    James, I think the whole point of these sudden Iran-bashing media blitz is to take attention away from the Palestinian issue. and, the silliness of the latest charges indicates a desperate urgency. Wonder what’s cooking that was sooooo urgent as not to leave time to come up with something a bit more plausible.

  346. BiBiJon says:

    Rob Hughes says:
    October 14, 2011 at 4:18 pm

    Bob, excellent point! And, more generally, the raging war for hears+minds these past decades has been won primarily by patiently allowing public opinion to crucify the wrong-doer.

  347. ME Watcher says:

    The only one’s who are corrupt are in the US government.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J70O8MgEaI&feature=player_embedded

  348. Rob Hughes says:

    Let’s not forget Iran didn’t retaliate even when in mid 1980s Saudi security forces opened fire on and killed a few hundred Iranian pilgrims in Mecca for holding a protest rally, even thought there was overwhelming public support in Iran for avenging the mass “martyrdom”.

  349. BiBiJon says:

    Humanist says:
    October 14, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    One of the things Mossad would love IRGC’s Quds to believe is that their organization is riddled with spies, and double agents. Empirically, looking at all the snafus, I think it may well be the opposite — Mossad is riddled with double agents.

    Iran’s stance, as articulated by Ahmadinejad, is that Iran does not see the US as an enemy. In fact he keeps saying Iran has no problem with any non-apartheid country. It therefore makes sense for Iran not to accept an invitation for a hotline across the battle line — what battle? which enemy? What is Adm. Mullen trying to codify?

    also, important to consider is that the militarily weaker nation can only rely on folks knowing she would respond with everything at her disposal the instant she was attacked. There would not be time for asking/receiving explanations.

  350. Fiorangela says:

    http://gulfnews.com/opinions/columnists/will-israel-bomb-iran-without-notifying-the-us-1.891422

    I don’t think that’s the right slant or question. It is obvious that the American people, having been conditioned over decades to perceive Iran as an enemy, must now be induced to step off the cliff and start demanding war on Iran. It is equally obvious (Wilbur’s horselaugh counterargument notwithstanding) that Israel and especially Netanyahu, having shaped the propaganda that demonized Iran over several decades, will force the confrontation, for the benefit of Israel and Netanyahu, US interests be damned.

  351. Clint says:

    “The only beneficiaries in a scenario like this, which I believe is absolutely false, are the Americans and the Israelis,” adds Salahuddin

    …no, also: the Saudis

  352. Humanist says:

    Dear Hillary,

    I have been watching this ‘Iranian Plot’ story closely. While I fully agree with all your assertions, in the last couple of days my attention was mostly on the following points:

    - If Holder and FBI chief announce this in a Press Conference they must have a bunch of evidences in their disposal. One has then to concentrate what kind of evidence that might be.

    - I am absolutely sure that Mossad’s astute agents have been working around the clock for months or years how to lure US towards engaging a war with Iran.

    - I am absolutely sure, even excluding thousands of MEK supporters inside Iran (who are more than willing to help foreign enemies of Iran in any form and shape) Israelis (and Western) Intelligence agencies have a large army of spies or stooges in their disposal to carry out any plot concocted in Israel or in varieties neocon US bases.

    - I suspect there might be some element of truth in what was exposed in the Epilogue of the translation to Farsi of ‘Profits of War’ by Ari Ben Menashe. (efsh.co.uk ketab-sara pool-e-khoon) I suspect the information about the details of bank accounts of Rafsanjani, Khamenei and Ahmad Khomeine in European banks were given to Dr. Ansari by Ari. In my view quite a number of complex incidents in the history of IRI can be convincingly explained under the lights of those corruptions including the fact that Mousavi / Karroubi despite their obvious treason in June 2009 are not yet punished.

    There are other less important reasons out there that convince me this plot, despite its bizarre appearance is not as stupid as it looks.

    What I read on Yahoo News yesterday adds up to my worries. In Iran Arbabsiar showing off to his freiend large amount of cash (20 to 30k)

    I was deeply worrying that with Netanyahu and Obama in office something awful is cooking. On September 28 2011 (8:00pm) I wrote the following here in RFI (on why Iran should accept the US Hotline offer)


    “Are the [Iranian] Admirals who are rejecting the proposal of establishing a hotline, unknowingly becoming like the top military traitors similar to the above 2 cases? Don’’t they know that there are so many Israeli spies in IRGC that can carry out complex orders to cause dragging US into a disastrous war with Iran? Don’’t they know that, from the militaristic point of view, Iran is no match to US (even to Israel). US can destroy Iran’’s air force and navy, if not in minutes in hours. Don’’t they know that during US Gulf war with Iraq for 3 weeks there were non-stop bombing of all Iraqi military and civilian infrastructures? (according a report by Ramsey Clark, in those 3 weeks, there was one sortie every 2 minutes! The colossal amount of used explosives recast Iraq to a ruinous place taking the country back to decades ago )”

    Also on October 1, 2011 (5:12pm) I commented in RFI:


    “I am accusing them [the Likudnis, neocons] of psychopathy since I am sure the above types of revenge-seeking, self-righteous and ruthless characters will be identified as ‘‘psychopaths’’ when examined by scientists who had used fMRI for studying the minds of the ‘‘death row’’ inmates.
    A segment of these sickos are now obsessed with Iran. They have any imaginable resource in their disposal to prepare the unprepared politically illiterate for a war with Iran. Do they really care how many in websites like RFI analyze and criticize their actions? Most probably they don’’t give a damn. What counts for them (and for the army of their brainy PR crew) is the mindless gullible. They can pay pennies from their colossal wealth to musicians, commissioning them to prepare 49 million younger sheeple for a ‘‘war with ayatollahs’’ similar to preparation of other gullible millions.
    With the absence of the resistance of the majority of Americans are they going to manage using US military to carry out that war? If they do, since they can cause much more damage’’ we are all doomed as Chomsky explains in his ‘‘Hegemony or Survival’’.

    Dear Hillary, I think it is now time to quickly find holes in the evidence presented by Holder and FBI. My skeptical mind is hearing alarm sounds. I sincerely hope I am dead wrong.

  353. BiBiJon says:

    Clint says:
    October 14, 2011 at 2:17 pm

    Point well taken. However, I’m leery of editorials waxing indignant about ‘hypocrisy’ or ‘unintended consequences’ specially the ‘I told you so’ variety.

    First, the ‘hook’ allows one more repetition of the BS charges leveled against Iran. At this point in the propaganda campaign, all that matters is that the matter appears in the media nauseatingly often.

    Second, the problem is not (as progressives want to sugarcoat it) hypocrisy nor consequences. I have news. Certain acts are deplorable even there were no adverse side effects, and even if the prep was brutally honest about it.

    In short, hats off to LA Times to reflect on the rights ad wrongs. But, please tell them for me they have any day of the year to write how bad it is to murder people, why choose this particular ‘hook’ at this particular time.

  354. Fiorangela says:

    Darabi at 11:38,

    agree with most of your rant, but do not agree that Soros is at the heart of it. He occupies his own category, he’s not a super-zionist.

  355. BiBiJon says:

    Former Iran assassin says alleged plot ‘makes no sense’

    “The only beneficiaries in a scenario like this, which I believe is absolutely false, are the Americans and the Israelis,” adds Salahuddin. “It seems to me that the administration is playing to the public, instead of playing to reality. Because this notion is unreality, that the Iranians are going to be doing this kind of thing.”

    From http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1014/Former-Iran-assassin-says-alleged-plot-makes-no-sense

  356. Clint says:

    Bibi Jon:
    No the LA Times is making a more general point that all nations need to think before assassinating humans on other countries’ soil. The fake Iran story is a great hook for the editorial.

  357. James Canning says:

    On a sie note, did anyone notice the contention of Michael Oren, Israel’s ambassador to the US, in the pages of the Washington Post today, that the illegal colonies in the West Bank are “not the problem”! Remarkable rubbish.

  358. James Canning says:

    Pirouz,

    Gareth Porter does make excellent points. And, if Iran does hold 85% of the heroin seized by gov’t officials globally, the Iranian-American entrepreneur obviously saw a potential source of product.

  359. James Canning says:

    BiBiJon,

    I agree with you war is not on the cards. Idiot senators like Chuck Schumer and Paul Kirk (heavy recipients of funding from the Israel lobby), are trying to exploit the so-called “plot”, to “protect” Israel.

  360. James Canning says:

    R S Hack,

    Since 9/11, and the foolish diversion of most of the FBI’s white collar crime investigators into pursuing piddly Islamic charities that Israel wanted shut down, white collar crime mushroomed in the US. And many of the so-called “terror plots” were manufactured by people working with the FBI in one way or another. Things were very murky oftentimes.

  361. James Canning says:

    R S Hack,

    You suggest Obama is lying through his teeth for domestic political reasons. I agree completely.

  362. James Canning says:

    Reza,

    Yes, what a good thing that CNN finally is giving the Leveretts some of the coverage their views warrant.

  363. BiBiJon says:

    Richard Steven Hack says:
    October 14, 2011 at 1:48

    Conversely, I find you to be a well-informed, intelligent, and caring soul. I just disagree with your conclusion/prediction.

  364. BiBiJon: And I still say you and everyone else who believes that are fools.

  365. Gareth Porter’s analysis of the case. linked to by Pirouz below, makes more sense than Jeffrey Toobin’s analysis. Porter makes it clear that the suspect never specifically asked for or agreed to the assassination scenario, and was clearly far more interested in the related drug deals, and very likely so were his relatives in Iran.

    Every indication is that this was a drug deal “escalated” by the FBI deliberately to entrap an Iranian spastic case into considering a terrorist act on US soil, solely to bolster the FBI and the US anti-Iran policy.

    So again, the issue becomes: Why is Obama pushing this when he should know better, PRECISELY the same question as why is he pushing the bogus Iran nuclear weapons program issue?

    Anyone who says he is sincere about either issue is a complete idiot.

  366. BiBiJon says:

    Richard Steven Hack says:
    October 14, 2011 at 1:04 pm

    Richard, I still say there’s no war on the cards. Assassinations, collective punishment, even brazen acts of war such as a naval blockade are likely, but not actual war.

    Sen. Kirk may desire all sorts of things, and he is not alone by a long chalk. But, no one is willing to pull the trigger. Furthermore, fervent desire does not necessarily translate into anything. I have been desperately hoping to win the lotto. All I have to show for all that desiring, is hole in my pocket.

  367. BiBiJon says:

    Clint says:
    October 14, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    I’d be very careful with these kinds of ‘we did it to them, what right do we have to complain if they do the same unto us’ type of seemingly progressive arguments. LA Times is in effect injecting into people’s minds that Iran possibly had a motive: payback.

    Let me be very clear. Even if a thousand Iranian scientists were murdered, it still makes no sense for Iran to retaliate in the same inhuman, unchristian manner. anyway, Adel al-Jubeir is worth his weight in gold, alive. His cozy relationship with the US is an endless source for delegitimizing the Saudi counter-revolution against the Arab Spring.

  368. Clint says:

    Pirouz is correct about Gareth Porter’s take.

    But let’s say Iran was involved. For the sake of argument.

    If I remember correctly, there were some actual assassinations of Iranian scientists on Iran’s soil also….probably by our ally, with our help — is that OK?

    LA Times:

    http://opinion.latimes.com/opinionla/2011/10/iranian-government-plan-to-assassinate-saudi-ambassador-on-american-soil.html

    “As the United States continues down the path of state-sponsored assassination far from the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, all sorts of tricky moral questions are likely to arise. But this much is clear: The world is unlikely to accept that the United States has a right to behave as it wishes without accountability all around the globe and that other nations do not.”

    The Saudi ambassador who was the alleged target was the same guy quoted in wikileaks as saying the US should “cut the head off the snake” w/ reference to Iran. So he is an enemy combatant of Iran’s.

    Would it be OK if the Iranians used drones to kill on US soil?

  369. Sen. Mark Kirk: ‘It’s Okay To Take Food From The Mouths Of’ Innocent Iranians
    http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/10/12/342194/kirk-food-from-mouths-iran/

    This is the kind of scumbag running the US – and you think the US won’t start a war, when they’ve already killed a million Iraqis (and half a million children precisely b the means Kirk demands) and scores of thousands of Afghans and Pakistanis?

  370. James Canning says:

    Bravo. Remarkable stupidity, by Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton, in calling for even more effort to “isolate” Iran? Or, perhaps, totally to be expected? Got to please the rich Jews who finance the Democrats in their national elections.

  371. BiBiJon says:

    Wilbur says:
    October 14, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Do please tell us what the “sane wold” thinks about all this. Thanks.

  372. Hooman says:

    It is funny when Mullahs assassination plot fails it’s a pay day for Leverett family. You are the shame to America and Iranian people who fight for Freedom. Shame on you Hillary for feeding yourself and children with Iranian and American blood money. Shame on you for lobbying for Ayatoilets but after all it is not gonna stick. Mullahs are gonna go one way or another. Marg Bar Dictator.

  373. Rehmat says:

    The ‘Iranian Plot’ – Please don’t laugh!

    According to the New York Times (October 11, 2011) – Washington has accused Iranian Al-Quds for hatching a plot, to assassinate Saudi ambassador in the US – and to bomb Israeli embassy in Washington DC and both Saudi and Israeli embassies in Argentina. To carry out this new 9/11, allegedly, Iran did not hire the usual western pasty, the non-existent Al-Qaeda, but a US-Iranian used-car salesman and Mexican drug cartel.

    Now, here is some food for the American sheep including Israel-Firsters Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Eric Holder.

    1. What Iran is going to achieve by assassinating a powerless Saudi ambassador who never said bad things about Iran. Israeli ambassador Michael Oren could have been a better taget because the Zionist propagandist is not known to shut his mouth spreading lies about Iranian Islamic regime. Last month, ten Muslim university students were convicted for challenging Michael Oren’s lies during a speech at University of California at Irvine in 2010. That shows how much power Oren carries in the US. And finally, why assassinate Saudi or Israeli ambassador in the US, when Iranian, if wanted, could carry-out such assassinations in the Arab countries, i.e. Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Afghanistan to name a few.

    2. Why would Al-Quds offer drugs to a Mexican cartel when a few months ago, the UNODC, had highly praised Islamic Republic for drugs seizures and destruction. These drugs are smuggled from US-NATO controlled Afghanistan and CIA allegedly makes billions of dollars from this trade each year.

    3. Iran’s military groups, IRGC and Al-Quds (both listed ‘terrorist’ by US for supporting Hamas and Hizbullah), are recognized for their integrity and professionalism by Israelis and the West. Should not Al-Quds be using a Hizbullah supporter instead of a used-car salesman Mansour J. Arbabsiar, 56 – who is financially banrupt and is being sued by his embittered ex-wife?

    4. In Argentina, thanks to local Jewish population (over 300,000) – Israeli Mossad has long developed special relations with the country’s security forces. The bombing of Israeli embassy and the Jewish Center in 1992 and 1994 – were Mossad False-Flag operations to demonize local Arab community and Islamic Republic.

    5. According to Mother Jones, the so-called ‘FBI informants’ are usually the ones who have created terrorist plots since 9/11.

    6. “The plot does look like an American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) wet dream delivered to Holder on a silver plate, the Israel lobby in Washington as well as assorted Zionists would love nothing better than to rally alongside a causus belli established in Washington itself, leading perhaps to a US strike of some sort against Iran without direct Israeli involvement,” says Pepe Escobar in Asia Times (October 14, 2011). Watch RT interview below.

    7. Robert Baer, former CIA intelligence analyst for 24 years on ME , told Eleanor Hall (The World Today) that the US-claimed ‘plot’ stinks and it would be better for Barack Obama to set back and open direct negotiation with Iranian leaders instead of being foolish to put more sanctions against Iran or military action of some sort. “The war with Iran will be uncontrollable,” he said.

    Barack Obama’s threat to impose further sanctions on Iran is just a rant for Jewish Lobby’s consumption. He knows very well that the previous four ‘crippling sanctions’ did not produce results which the Jewish Lobby had expected. However, a new sanction may incite some Iranian leaders to call for further destablization of pro-American regimes in the region and thus flaring more anti-Israel demonstrations. (Watch an interview with Iranian political analyst Mohammad Marandi below).

    http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2011/10/14/the-iranian-plot-please-dont-laugh/

  374. fyi says:

    Wilbur says: October 14, 2011 at 11:49 am

    Not Isralis; most likey a US operation coordinated with Saudi Arabia, UK and others.

    Foolish, as it has already started to unravel…

  375. Wilbur says:

    fed up with ignorant people,

    Yes it’s all the Zionists fault and they put Obama on his “throne”! What a laugher and a clear indication of your analytical ability or should I say lack of. Why don’t you take off your tin foil hat a join the rest of the sane world.

    Bill

  376. darabi says:

    A good Article by Prof. Ismael Hossein-zadeh.

    DON’T TRUST IGNORANT AMERICAN PEOPLE. DON’T TRUST THEIR UNION, ‘MOVEMENTS’
    OR ‘PROGRESSIVES’. ALL ARE IN THE POCKET OF CIA AND ZIONIST STOOGES LIKE
    GEORGE SOROS.

    Alternative ‘media’ like Zmag, Campaign for peace democracy, Juan cole and many
    more, are the face of US government to fool the ignorant population mainly
    in the United States. They cannot fool people in the middle east except
    their stupid agents who are active as NGOs and phony “human rights” activists who are nothing but PETTY CIA AGENTS.

  377. Bezer says:

    http://presstv.com/detail/204464.html

    “Gary Sick: US Iran claim defies belief”

    Former US National Security Council advisor, Gary Sick, says the US allegations about Iran’s involvement in a plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to Washington are implausible.

  378. fed up with ignorant people says:

    OBAMA, a fifth column, and a slave of Zionists is so desperate to get more $$$$$$$$$$$$ that is willing to implement any Zionist plot against Iran to receive funding and support from the Jewish lobby.

    In other countries he would be put on trial as a TRAITOR and many countries punish traitors with capital punishment. Obama was sit on the thrown by Jewish lobby and Wall Street NOT AMERICAN PEOPLE.

    Since Americans are very ignorant and do not have knowledge of history thus have been taken hostages. They do not realize the degree of their ignorance so they go with the crowd like sheeps.
    ISRAEL FIRSTERS take advantage of this fact to control the white house, senate, intelligence, congress to push for the interest of Israel. As Michael Blumberg said to Congress: You are very ignorant. You don’t know where is China yet dare to go against it.

    People of the world have seen it all and are fed up with it and ignorant Amricans. Down with Zionism and its stooges, black and white.

  379. Pirouz says:

    I agree with Reza, it is encouraging to those of seeking peace that CNN is providing the views of the Leveretts.

  380. Pirouz says:

    I think Gareth Porter may have it right:

    http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=105458

    This is how the alleged Iran terror plot appears to have gone down:

    Arbabsiar was seeking a drug deal and was caught in a DEA net. FBI/DEA prompted this into a drug/assassination deal.

    The motivation of Arbabsiar and his contacts in Iran was negotiating a drug trafficking connection; the effort by FBI/DEA was to ensnare the deal into charges of assassination/bombings.

    So the actual evidence appears to show the DEA informant involving Arbabsiar into the FBI/DEA initiated suggestion for an assassination/bombing deal, while Arbabsiar and any of his contact’s purpose is to establish a drug trafficking deal.

    That’s how this makes sense.

    The USG notion that this is a IRGC/Quds initiated terror plot appears to be misleading, as is the notion of any IRIG leadership involvement in the matter.

    So the real question might be how high the initial idea for and approval of this FBI/DEA initiative reaches in the U.S. government, rather than pointing to leadership approval in Iran or even idea for and approval within IRGC/Quds.

  381. Reza Esfandiari says:

    It is interesting that CNN have finally decided to consult the Leveretts for their views on Iran-related matters, given that the producers have hitherto not bothered to do so (at least, I do not recall).Perhaps, even they feel that endorsing the story of the U.S government will only serve to discredit their organization if it proves to be a fabrication or a distortion of the truth. Maybe the mainstream media in the U.S will, in future, approach real Iran experts like the Leveretts rather than those who merely claim to be, and who make all sorts of erroneous predictions based on wishful thinking alone. Hopefully, the demise of this plot affair will also mean the complete loss in the credibility of Drs. Pollack and Takeyh who have blindly accepted it. Takeyh is on record as saying “I am in no position to doubt it.”