Comments on: IRAN, THE POST-AMERICAN WORLD AND THE SECURITY COUNCIL’S LOOMING LEGITIMACY CRISIS http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-the-post-american-world-and-the-security-council%e2%80%99s-looming-legitimacy-crisis Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:31:57 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: James Canning http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-the-post-american-world-and-the-security-council%e2%80%99s-looming-legitimacy-crisis#comment-10041 James Canning Mon, 24 May 2010 21:58:54 +0000 http://www.raceforiran.com/?p=2765#comment-10041 Rosinante, Are you aware that Iran opposes nuclear weapons and is one of the countries leading the effort to achieve a Middle East free of nukes? Rosinante,

Are you aware that Iran opposes nuclear weapons and is one of the countries leading the effort to achieve a Middle East free of nukes?

]]> By: Dan Cooper http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-the-post-american-world-and-the-security-council%e2%80%99s-looming-legitimacy-crisis#comment-10032 Dan Cooper Mon, 24 May 2010 14:42:32 +0000 http://www.raceforiran.com/?p=2765#comment-10032 Rosinante Let us look at the reality of our world today rather than hypotheses. The reality is that Israel has over 200 illegal nuclear bombs but Iran has none. I wonder why you did not mention Israel in your post. It is a well-known fact that the USA uses the NPT as a political weapon. Rosinante

Let us look at the reality of our world today rather than hypotheses.

The reality is that Israel has over 200 illegal nuclear bombs but Iran has none.

I wonder why you did not mention Israel in your post.

It is a well-known fact that the USA uses the NPT as a political weapon.

]]> By: Rosinante http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-the-post-american-world-and-the-security-council%e2%80%99s-looming-legitimacy-crisis#comment-10011 Rosinante Sun, 23 May 2010 21:02:26 +0000 http://www.raceforiran.com/?p=2765#comment-10011 Simple solution to all this. The USA withdraws from the NPT. The NPT has to be histories second most breached treaty, with the Kellogg-Briand pact being first. Once out from under the NPT, the USA is free to sell nukes to Poland, Germany, Taiwan, South Korea, Tibet or anyone it wants to. Kurds? See if Iran would prefer intrusive inspections or Kurds with nukes? I suspect the inspections would win out. Would Russia rather support harsh measures against Iran, or see Poland with nukes? Would China rather support harsh measures against Iran or see Taiwan with nukes? It is time for those nations that use the NPT as a political weapons against the USA to get a feel for what that is like. Simple solution to all this.
The USA withdraws from the NPT. The NPT has to be histories second most breached treaty, with the Kellogg-Briand pact being first. Once out from under the NPT, the USA is free to sell nukes to Poland, Germany, Taiwan, South Korea, Tibet or anyone it wants to. Kurds?
See if Iran would prefer intrusive inspections or Kurds with nukes? I suspect the inspections would win out. Would Russia rather support harsh measures against Iran, or see Poland with nukes? Would China rather support harsh measures against Iran or see Taiwan with nukes?
It is time for those nations that use the NPT as a political weapons against the USA to get a feel for what that is like.

]]> By: James Canning http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-the-post-american-world-and-the-security-council%e2%80%99s-looming-legitimacy-crisis#comment-9983 James Canning Sat, 22 May 2010 21:54:06 +0000 http://www.raceforiran.com/?p=2765#comment-9983 Castellio, My understanding is that Russia came close to delivering the S-300 missiles to Iran last year, but pressure from Israel and the US caused a delay. Iran has considered trying to build its own system, but this would be a waste of resources in my opinion. Russia has told Israel not to attack Iran, and Iran not to attack Israel (an event the Russians consider unlikely). Castellio,

My understanding is that Russia came close to delivering the S-300 missiles to Iran last year, but pressure from Israel and the US caused a delay. Iran has considered trying to build its own system, but this would be a waste of resources in my opinion.

Russia has told Israel not to attack Iran, and Iran not to attack Israel (an event the Russians consider unlikely).

]]> By: James Canning http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-the-post-american-world-and-the-security-council%e2%80%99s-looming-legitimacy-crisis#comment-9969 James Canning Sat, 22 May 2010 17:48:20 +0000 http://www.raceforiran.com/?p=2765#comment-9969 pirouz_2, Re May 22nd 12:56am -- Iran's security is enhanced, if the perception of global opinion is that Iran only seeks to operate nuclear reactors and produce the fuel to do so. Taking a position that Iran can enrich to whatever levels it wishes, in order to avoid unfair pressure from the US and the "west", plays into the hands of the slanderers of Iran who claim Iran is intent on building nukes for a first-strike attack on Israel. pirouz_2,

Re May 22nd 12:56am — Iran’s security is enhanced, if the perception of global opinion is that Iran only seeks to operate nuclear reactors and produce the fuel to do so. Taking a position that Iran can enrich to whatever levels it wishes, in order to avoid unfair pressure from the US and the “west”, plays into the hands of the slanderers of Iran who claim Iran is intent on building nukes for a first-strike attack on Israel.

]]> By: James Canning http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-the-post-american-world-and-the-security-council%e2%80%99s-looming-legitimacy-crisis#comment-9968 James Canning Sat, 22 May 2010 17:41:25 +0000 http://www.raceforiran.com/?p=2765#comment-9968 pirouz_2, My understanding is the same as yours, that Iran in principle agreed to the U exchange last October and the issue was how to obtain an adequate guarantee the deal would be completed as agreed. pirouz_2,

My understanding is the same as yours, that Iran in principle agreed to the U exchange last October and the issue was how to obtain an adequate guarantee the deal would be completed as agreed.

]]> By: pirouz_2 http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-the-post-american-world-and-the-security-council%e2%80%99s-looming-legitimacy-crisis#comment-9964 pirouz_2 Sat, 22 May 2010 17:09:11 +0000 http://www.raceforiran.com/?p=2765#comment-9964 @Alan; "The comical thing about it is that it appears they had to be coerced into doing it because they couldn’t work it out for themselves." Well that is our difference Alan: I don't think that they were "coerced" into doing that! They agreed with the swap deal "in principle" from day one (back in October!). "I know the NAM positions regarding the AP. I’m the one reading and quoting from the daily blog from the NPT Review Conference after all. I raised the point that Rebecca Johnson of the Acronym Institute (and she is highly respected) stated in that blog on Day 14 that Iran was “castigating some of the positions of the NAM” and that there was “clear strain” between Iran and the NAM. It is fair to deduce from that all was not well." Could you please send me a link or make a quotation DIRECTLY regarding the "clear strain" between NAM and Iran? I am not asking for What Rebecca Johnsons impression was. I am asking for the exact wrods which has been exchanged between Maged Abdelaziz and Ali Asghar Soltanieh, which have left the impression (on Ms. Johnson) that there were clear strains between NAM and Iran. Because all the declarations that I can see by NAM match Iranian positions regarding the NPT. If there are any differences, please tell me exactly which points they are. @Alan;

“The comical thing about it is that it appears they had to be coerced into doing it because they couldn’t work it out for themselves.”

Well that is our difference Alan: I don’t think that they were “coerced” into doing that! They agreed with the swap deal “in principle” from day one (back in October!).

“I know the NAM positions regarding the AP. I’m the one reading and quoting from the daily blog from the NPT Review Conference after all. I raised the point that Rebecca Johnson of the Acronym Institute (and she is highly respected) stated in that blog on Day 14 that Iran was “castigating some of the positions of the NAM” and that there was “clear strain” between Iran and the NAM. It is fair to deduce from that all was not well.”

Could you please send me a link or make a quotation DIRECTLY regarding the “clear strain” between NAM and Iran? I am not asking for What Rebecca Johnsons impression was. I am asking for the exact wrods which has been exchanged between Maged Abdelaziz and Ali Asghar Soltanieh, which have left the impression (on Ms. Johnson) that there were clear strains between NAM and Iran.
Because all the declarations that I can see by NAM match Iranian positions regarding the NPT. If there are any differences, please tell me exactly which points they are.

]]> By: Liz http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-the-post-american-world-and-the-security-council%e2%80%99s-looming-legitimacy-crisis#comment-9963 Liz Sat, 22 May 2010 16:30:47 +0000 http://www.raceforiran.com/?p=2765#comment-9963 Rebecca Johnson's claims have not been repeated by anyone else. Rebecca Johnson’s claims have not been repeated by anyone else.

]]> By: Alan http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-the-post-american-world-and-the-security-council%e2%80%99s-looming-legitimacy-crisis#comment-9954 Alan Sat, 22 May 2010 08:45:11 +0000 http://www.raceforiran.com/?p=2765#comment-9954 Pak - I think the current diplomatic path looks positive. If Iran delivers the LEU to Turkey, I think the US/P5 will respond positively. The sanctions move need not necessarily derail it. It appears at least in part to be intended to anticipate any perceived stalling tactics by Iran in the real negotiations that are envisaged soon. Pak – I think the current diplomatic path looks positive. If Iran delivers the LEU to Turkey, I think the US/P5 will respond positively. The sanctions move need not necessarily derail it. It appears at least in part to be intended to anticipate any perceived stalling tactics by Iran in the real negotiations that are envisaged soon.

]]> By: Alan http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-the-post-american-world-and-the-security-council%e2%80%99s-looming-legitimacy-crisis#comment-9953 Alan Sat, 22 May 2010 08:35:38 +0000 http://www.raceforiran.com/?p=2765#comment-9953 kooshy - the "insecurity trauma" is caused by both the US and Iran. The US more so, but they share the blame. pirouz_2 - I'm not sure which part of my statement that I am "not remotely disappointed" "thrilled" and "delighted" about the deal wasn't clear to you. I think the Tripartite deal was an OUTSTANDING diplomatic move by Iran. The comical thing about it is that it appears they had to be coerced into doing it because they couldn't work it out for themselves. The West's handling of the initial deal gave Iran an open door to make what was a very small scale effort to enrich to 20%, so the West deserves to be strapped to a barrel and lashed over it, and I'm sure Iran will oblige. But at least Iran should employ some subtlety over it, if for no other reason than to save themselves from having to climb down over it hours later. And it WAS a climbdown. I know the NAM positions regarding the AP. I'm the one reading and quoting from the daily blog from the NPT Review Conference after all. I raised the point that Rebecca Johnson of the Acronym Institute (and she is highly respected) stated in that blog on Day 14 that Iran was "castigating some of the positions of the NAM" and that there was "clear strain" between Iran and the NAM. It is fair to deduce from that all was not well. kooshy – the “insecurity trauma” is caused by both the US and Iran. The US more so, but they share the blame.

pirouz_2 – I’m not sure which part of my statement that I am “not remotely disappointed” “thrilled” and “delighted” about the deal wasn’t clear to you. I think the Tripartite deal was an OUTSTANDING diplomatic move by Iran. The comical thing about it is that it appears they had to be coerced into doing it because they couldn’t work it out for themselves.

The West’s handling of the initial deal gave Iran an open door to make what was a very small scale effort to enrich to 20%, so the West deserves to be strapped to a barrel and lashed over it, and I’m sure Iran will oblige. But at least Iran should employ some subtlety over it, if for no other reason than to save themselves from having to climb down over it hours later. And it WAS a climbdown.

I know the NAM positions regarding the AP. I’m the one reading and quoting from the daily blog from the NPT Review Conference after all. I raised the point that Rebecca Johnson of the Acronym Institute (and she is highly respected) stated in that blog on Day 14 that Iran was “castigating some of the positions of the NAM” and that there was “clear strain” between Iran and the NAM. It is fair to deduce from that all was not well.

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