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		<title>By: Dan cooper</title>
		<link>http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-china-and-the-shanghai-cooperation-organization#comment-4633</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan cooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 01:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paneer

You must be politically naive to think that CIA and MOSSAD are not active in Iran.

Have you studied this link? 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=14095

If you have, please let me know what you think.

So far, American government has lost nearly 5000 soldiers, spent over 900 billion dollars, killed, and maimed over one million Iraqis?

This is the price American government is prepared to pay in order to change a regime in Iraq and replace it by a puppet government to look after the interests of US and Israel in the region, now you are suggesting that USA and Israel are not involved with has happened in Iran.

Panner: please wake up

To American government, “Iran” is worth far more than “Iraq”

USA and Israel are aware that an attack on Iran will have “catastrophic consequences”; instead, and for the time being, The CIA and Mossad plan for Iran is an agenda to maintain division and instability.

According to your logic, Iraqi people must blame themselves for what happened to their country and not the USA.

In the same token, British and American stole oil from Iran for 70 long years(from 1909 to 1979) and toppled the democratically elected Dr Mohammad Mosadegh, again according to your logic, Iranian must not blame the British and Americans and should only blame themselves, this is absurd.

Regimes come and go and you have the right to be against IRI, but do not scarify “Iran” for the sake of your ideology. The threat from USA and Israel is real.

If you consider the Mullas to be your enemy and the USA, the enemy of Mullas, please always remember this:

The enemy of your enemy is not your friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paneer</p>
<p>You must be politically naive to think that CIA and MOSSAD are not active in Iran.</p>
<p>Have you studied this link? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=14095" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=14095</a></p>
<p>If you have, please let me know what you think.</p>
<p>So far, American government has lost nearly 5000 soldiers, spent over 900 billion dollars, killed, and maimed over one million Iraqis?</p>
<p>This is the price American government is prepared to pay in order to change a regime in Iraq and replace it by a puppet government to look after the interests of US and Israel in the region, now you are suggesting that USA and Israel are not involved with has happened in Iran.</p>
<p>Panner: please wake up</p>
<p>To American government, “Iran” is worth far more than “Iraq”</p>
<p>USA and Israel are aware that an attack on Iran will have “catastrophic consequences”; instead, and for the time being, The CIA and Mossad plan for Iran is an agenda to maintain division and instability.</p>
<p>According to your logic, Iraqi people must blame themselves for what happened to their country and not the USA.</p>
<p>In the same token, British and American stole oil from Iran for 70 long years(from 1909 to 1979) and toppled the democratically elected Dr Mohammad Mosadegh, again according to your logic, Iranian must not blame the British and Americans and should only blame themselves, this is absurd.</p>
<p>Regimes come and go and you have the right to be against IRI, but do not scarify “Iran” for the sake of your ideology. The threat from USA and Israel is real.</p>
<p>If you consider the Mullas to be your enemy and the USA, the enemy of Mullas, please always remember this:</p>
<p>The enemy of your enemy is not your friend.</p>
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		<title>By: jay</title>
		<link>http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-china-and-the-shanghai-cooperation-organization#comment-4453</link>
		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The great thing about democracy (which at times could be frustrating) is that everyone can participate and opine.  Of course, the same freedoms enable us to &quot;skip&quot; certain postings that seem to engage in what appears to be less than honest discourse.  In other words, we can always ignore certain people!

I can follow the Leverett&#039;s reasoning in most of their writings, although I may not agree with every conclusion they draw. In certain postings here and elsewhere I see expression of personal distaste for the current regime in Iran.  I can respect distaste for a regime or certain individuals in the regime, but that does not pass for rational discourse. By all objectively measurable accounts I have seen the regime in Iran has the support of the majority of Iranians in an &quot;overall&quot; sense -  on specific issues the level of support may be smaller.  No doubt, there is a significant group in Iran that does not support the current regime. It is nonetheless a minority!  Despite many anecdotal claims, I have not seen any hard evidence, polling data or otherwise, to support an opposing conclusion regarding support for the regime. 

With respect to the interests of the US (and the US only), I suggest that friendly relations with Iran presents a major strategic win for the US - the most glaring challenge to face future US administrations will be china and Iran will be a major hedge.  The opposing voices to friendly relations with Iran appear to conflate the interests of the US with the interest of other (foreign) states, and then use the confusion to argue for pressure and conflict. 

Those (Americans) who wish to Advocate for the interests of a foreign state, either directly or indirectly (for example, by arguing against friendly relations with a third country), are free to do so.  However, in the interest of honest discussion, it is helpful to be upfront about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The great thing about democracy (which at times could be frustrating) is that everyone can participate and opine.  Of course, the same freedoms enable us to &#8220;skip&#8221; certain postings that seem to engage in what appears to be less than honest discourse.  In other words, we can always ignore certain people!</p>
<p>I can follow the Leverett&#8217;s reasoning in most of their writings, although I may not agree with every conclusion they draw. In certain postings here and elsewhere I see expression of personal distaste for the current regime in Iran.  I can respect distaste for a regime or certain individuals in the regime, but that does not pass for rational discourse. By all objectively measurable accounts I have seen the regime in Iran has the support of the majority of Iranians in an &#8220;overall&#8221; sense &#8211;  on specific issues the level of support may be smaller.  No doubt, there is a significant group in Iran that does not support the current regime. It is nonetheless a minority!  Despite many anecdotal claims, I have not seen any hard evidence, polling data or otherwise, to support an opposing conclusion regarding support for the regime. </p>
<p>With respect to the interests of the US (and the US only), I suggest that friendly relations with Iran presents a major strategic win for the US &#8211; the most glaring challenge to face future US administrations will be china and Iran will be a major hedge.  The opposing voices to friendly relations with Iran appear to conflate the interests of the US with the interest of other (foreign) states, and then use the confusion to argue for pressure and conflict. </p>
<p>Those (Americans) who wish to Advocate for the interests of a foreign state, either directly or indirectly (for example, by arguing against friendly relations with a third country), are free to do so.  However, in the interest of honest discussion, it is helpful to be upfront about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Iranian</title>
		<link>http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-china-and-the-shanghai-cooperation-organization#comment-4342</link>
		<dc:creator>Iranian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are absolutely correct Liz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are absolutely correct Liz.</p>
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		<title>By: Paneer</title>
		<link>http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-china-and-the-shanghai-cooperation-organization#comment-4326</link>
		<dc:creator>Paneer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It’s good news that those who are supporting further confrontation and potential war are in the minority here. Let’s hope the same is true everywhere. I hope that Obama shows a little bit of courage and stops portraying himself Bush II to the outside world.

No one is supporting confrontation. It&#039;s the false bravado and hubris of your paymaster that are endangering Iranians and will eventually lead them to slaughte in the next 15 years. 

You&#039;re not the brightes tool in the shed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s good news that those who are supporting further confrontation and potential war are in the minority here. Let’s hope the same is true everywhere. I hope that Obama shows a little bit of courage and stops portraying himself Bush II to the outside world.</p>
<p>No one is supporting confrontation. It&#8217;s the false bravado and hubris of your paymaster that are endangering Iranians and will eventually lead them to slaughte in the next 15 years. </p>
<p>You&#8217;re not the brightes tool in the shed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
		<link>http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-china-and-the-shanghai-cooperation-organization#comment-4316</link>
		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good news that those who are supporting further confrontation and potential war are in the minority here. Let&#039;s hope the same is true everywhere. I hope that Obama shows a little bit of courage and stops portraying himself Bush II to the outside world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good news that those who are supporting further confrontation and potential war are in the minority here. Let&#8217;s hope the same is true everywhere. I hope that Obama shows a little bit of courage and stops portraying himself Bush II to the outside world.</p>
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		<title>By: Paneer</title>
		<link>http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-china-and-the-shanghai-cooperation-organization#comment-4293</link>
		<dc:creator>Paneer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The calibre of the commenters on this site leaves much to be desired. I&#039;m not learning anything new here as I thought I would be....


Luckily, Obama is smarter than all of you, &quot;Iran Experts&quot; and is able to see reality for what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The calibre of the commenters on this site leaves much to be desired. I&#8217;m not learning anything new here as I thought I would be&#8230;.</p>
<p>Luckily, Obama is smarter than all of you, &#8220;Iran Experts&#8221; and is able to see reality for what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-china-and-the-shanghai-cooperation-organization#comment-4284</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lysander: &quot;Following such a deal it would be able to tell the public that through perseverance it forced major concessions from the US. Whereas the opposition was ready to give away the store in exchange for a pat on the head. And they wouldn’t have even gotten the pat in the head. The opposition understands this and they know they have the most to loose from a favorable deal with the west.&quot;

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I think it was in fact the opposition that considered Ahmadinejad et al were going to &quot;give away the store for a pat on the head&quot;, which is why they opposed him so vehemently after Geneva that he had to back track on the offer.

Still, I think you&#039;re right, the opposition may well fear the political coup for Ahmadinejad if he does bring Iran in from the cold.  El Baradei said as much.  But on the other hand, if he does do so on the basis of a harder line brought about by opposition demands, it could be the common ground the elite need to repair the split amongst themselves that created the unrest in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lysander: &#8220;Following such a deal it would be able to tell the public that through perseverance it forced major concessions from the US. Whereas the opposition was ready to give away the store in exchange for a pat on the head. And they wouldn’t have even gotten the pat in the head. The opposition understands this and they know they have the most to loose from a favorable deal with the west.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>I think it was in fact the opposition that considered Ahmadinejad et al were going to &#8220;give away the store for a pat on the head&#8221;, which is why they opposed him so vehemently after Geneva that he had to back track on the offer.</p>
<p>Still, I think you&#8217;re right, the opposition may well fear the political coup for Ahmadinejad if he does bring Iran in from the cold.  El Baradei said as much.  But on the other hand, if he does do so on the basis of a harder line brought about by opposition demands, it could be the common ground the elite need to repair the split amongst themselves that created the unrest in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Iranian@Iran</title>
		<link>http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-china-and-the-shanghai-cooperation-organization#comment-4278</link>
		<dc:creator>Iranian@Iran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The green movement, which never had the support of the majority of Iranians, as the polls show, has lost its credibility among most of its supporters inside Iran exactly because of astro-turf elements that have taken over the movement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The green movement, which never had the support of the majority of Iranians, as the polls show, has lost its credibility among most of its supporters inside Iran exactly because of astro-turf elements that have taken over the movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnh</title>
		<link>http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-china-and-the-shanghai-cooperation-organization#comment-4263</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 04:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paneer can probably can also say with absolute certainty that all those participating in the Green Movement are committed idealists, as opposed to say astro-turf elements with business relationships to Rafsanjani, Moussavi, of the National Endowment for Democracy and Mossad. Personally, I would hope that the Green Movement is mostly comprised of genuine idealists aspiring to a democratic Iran. My hunch, however, is that the situation is much more complex and that there are significant astro-turf elements involved, not just grassroots.
http://rawstory.com/2010/02/iran-detains-7-spies-tied-usfunded-radio-station/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paneer can probably can also say with absolute certainty that all those participating in the Green Movement are committed idealists, as opposed to say astro-turf elements with business relationships to Rafsanjani, Moussavi, of the National Endowment for Democracy and Mossad. Personally, I would hope that the Green Movement is mostly comprised of genuine idealists aspiring to a democratic Iran. My hunch, however, is that the situation is much more complex and that there are significant astro-turf elements involved, not just grassroots.<br />
<a href="http://rawstory.com/2010/02/iran-detains-7-spies-tied-usfunded-radio-station/" rel="nofollow">http://rawstory.com/2010/02/iran-detains-7-spies-tied-usfunded-radio-station/</a></p>
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		<title>By: JohnH</title>
		<link>http://www.raceforiran.com/iran-china-and-the-shanghai-cooperation-organization#comment-4262</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 04:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paneer said, &quot;The regime is itching for a war or an invasion.&quot; He claims to know the intentions of the regime.

Paneer also knows the will of the Iranian people: &quot;Iran’s government does not represent the true will of the people. It governe true fear and domestic terror. Has no popular base.&quot; 

That&#039;s exactly what they said about Venezuela. Yes opinion polls gave Chavez 60% approval ratings. Voters in internationally monitored elections gave him 60%. Now World Opinion Poll&#039;s telephone poll (which leaves out many poorer voters who have no phones) found that the Ahmadinejad&#039;s election was legitimate. So who do you believe, an election and an opinion poll, or this dude Paneer, who has superior parallel processing skills, talks with his affluent extemded family and claims that the government has &#039;no popular base.&#039; Keep dreaming, Paneer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paneer said, &#8220;The regime is itching for a war or an invasion.&#8221; He claims to know the intentions of the regime.</p>
<p>Paneer also knows the will of the Iranian people: &#8220;Iran’s government does not represent the true will of the people. It governe true fear and domestic terror. Has no popular base.&#8221; </p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly what they said about Venezuela. Yes opinion polls gave Chavez 60% approval ratings. Voters in internationally monitored elections gave him 60%. Now World Opinion Poll&#8217;s telephone poll (which leaves out many poorer voters who have no phones) found that the Ahmadinejad&#8217;s election was legitimate. So who do you believe, an election and an opinion poll, or this dude Paneer, who has superior parallel processing skills, talks with his affluent extemded family and claims that the government has &#8216;no popular base.&#8217; Keep dreaming, Paneer.</p>
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