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The Race for Iran


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  1. Autoosa says:

    I think this going to be a very exciting and transformative period for the Middle East. The repressive regimes that have dominated the scene in that region are finally being challenged.

  2. James Canning says:

    Dan Cooper,

    Let’s hope free elections in Egypt take place and that a sensible government results. And Israel might very well be a bit unhappy with a sensible government in power in Cairo. But I do not expect any US effort to overthrow it.

    Would Obama have conspired with Israel to overthrow the unity government (Hamas/Fatah) put together by Saudi Arabia? Maybe not.

  3. Iranian@Iran says:

    Thus spoke Scott Lucas the US government mercenary…

    You’re on the wrong side of history Scott Lucas. You chose the wrong time to become pro-establishment.

  4. Scott Lucas says:


    “Dear Scott did you happen to write Joe’s speech that was delivered in KY today?”



    You will need ask to ask Osama Madany, who wrote the poignant letter to EA, about the “torture and mutilation”


    And the biggest hugs of all on this fine day go to you!

  5. fyi says:

    Richard Steven Hack says: February 11, 2011 at 11:04 pm

    I can state, with metaphysical certainity, that Israel will not initiate any hostile action against Egypt, not now and not in the new future (6 monts).

    I can also state that US will do likewise.

    We really have to wait and see the post-post Mubarak government in action before we can state anything definite.

    But, I agree that the Siege of Gaza is over.

    The siege of Gaza, and the massacre of the Gazans by Israel, seemd like a particularly perverse, cruel, vindictive policy.

    It seemd designed to provoke and enrage the Muslims all over the world.

    And it was continued even when its failure was clear by 2009.

  6. Pirouz_2 says:

    Sometimes life becomes so amazing…it is like literature, as if more sympolic than realistic….
    and then:

  7. Dan Cooper: I agree with you. The US will now turn on the Egyptian people and try to punish them for overthrowing the dictator. Depending on how the free elections turn out, assuming they are actually held, and whoever takes power, the US will start complaining about everything the new government does.

    I fully expect the new government, ASSUMING it follows the will of the people (which is something one must doubt about every government), will break the Gaza siege and open the border to at least some degree allowing more trade and import of goods into Gaza from Egypt. They will almost certainly at the very least allow the humanitarian convoys into Gaza, thus effectively breaking the siege.

    This alone will cause the US and Israel to go apoplectic and start accusing the Egyptian government of “backing terrorists like Hamas”.

    They’ve already trial floated the “Egypt has WMDs” crap in MSNBC the other day. This will be pulled out and used at some point.

    The US Senate will cut off foreign aid to Egypt. That’s not such a big deal, the only beneficiaries were Mubarak and the military anyway. The people won’t notice because they never got any of it.

    Israel has already attacked Gaza since yesterday in retaliation for the fall of Mubarak. We can expect more attacks and eventually another destructive war using the excuse that with the breaking of the Gaza siege that Hamas is importing rockets.

    Israel will begin making threats against Egypt probably within days. They will be intent on making sure that any new Egyptian government doesn’t get any ideas about supporting Hamas militarily. Israel will threaten Egypt with military force if any rockets get into Gaza via Egypt. Israel will then use that excuse to justify occasional military attacks on Egypt at some point in the future.

    Israel believes it can not afford to have any effective military forces on its borders. Which is why it repeatedly humiliates Syria by flying over its territory, why it bombed Syria’s alleged “nuclear facility”, and why it continually provokes Lebanon. It will now do the same to Egypt because it can no longer rely on Mubarak.

    Israel may now even accelerate its plans for a war on Lebanon in order to provide a more public demonstration to Egypt of its military power. This is the sort of mindset Israel has – it always turns to military force as a first resort.

    I don’t believe Israel will start a war with Egypt any time soon, but it will try to bully Egypt from here on out with threats and possibly some sort of military action (perhaps bombing areas on the Egyptian side of the Egypt/Gaza border “to stop smuggling of rockets into Gaza”).

    So, yes, this change of power in Egypt will destabilize the region – but only because Israel, with the whole hearted support of the US, will make it so.

  8. Richard,

    “Eric: They started the “Egypt has WMDs” bullcrap several days ago. I linked to an MSNBC article about it in the last thread.”

    Thanks. It was only a matter of time.

  9. Lucas: Could you knock off the bullshit “bless you all”. “hugs” crap?

    You sound like a complete and total jerk – which is no doubt accurate.

  10. Eric: They started the “Egypt has WMDs” bullcrap several days ago. I linked to an MSNBC article about it in the last thread.

  11. Sakineh Bagoom says:

    Congrats Egyptians!

    First step — dictator — out.

    Second step — torturer’s apprentice — out.

    Third step —

  12. Dan Cooper says:


    Thank you for your interesting and informative article posted on February 11, 2011 at 8:49 pm

  13. Dan Cooper says:

    James Canning

    Election in Egypt might follow the same pattern as in Gaza.

    Hamas was democratically elected in January 2006, President Carter and some other international observers categorically confirmed that the election was free and fair.

    Nevertheless, the US Congress and the west punished Hamas for not giving in to Israel’s demands.

    For 30 years, the US government did not give a damn about democracy and freedom in Egypt but now miraculously, the US talks about nothing but liberty for Egypt. How pathetic is this?

    In 6-months time, the new democratically elected government of Egypt will face the same fate as Hamas and the Islamic republic if they do not give in to US and Israel’s demands.

    One of the headlines would probably be like this: Egypt is 5 years away from building an atomic bomb and is now an existential threat to Israel..lol

  14. Chris says:

    Finally, the 80m Egyptian people can have the right to self-determination. They will no longer be the Arab buffer to Israel in US defined world politics. After all, the cradle of civilization also deserves the conerstone of modern civilization…freedom!

  15. BiBiJon says:

    Paul says:
    February 11, 2011 at 8:53 pm

    Few polls are linked in this page http://www.bibijon.org/iranimage/#Kleptomania

  16. Paul says:

    There have been a number of polls in Iran since the 2009 elections which show breakdown of support for Ahmadinejad vs. Mousavi/Karoubi matching the results of the elections (more or less). I posted the results of one such poll below upon request by Arnold. Can somebody please post links to the other similar polls?

  17. Fiorangela says:

    Dan Cooper, @ 6:54 pm:

    “Egypt cannot pay for [grain] imports, it must rely on aid authorized each year by the US Congress. But Congress is under the influence of the Israel lobby. If Cairo angers the US or Israel, it always faces the threat of a cutoff of essential food aid”

    On three documented occasions; namely, Germany 1933-1938; Iran 1995-2011; Gaza 2005-2011, powerful Jewish people have spearheaded and enforced boycotts against entire peoples, with the goal of creating at least the threat and fear of starvation, if not actual starvation. The US government has participated in two of those campaigns — Iran and Gaza, and the US government carried out a 10 year program of sanctions against Iraq that resulted in the deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children.

    “[When] Adolf Hitler [was appointed] chancellor of Germany on January 30, 1933, [Samuel] Untermyer had no doubt as to Hitler’s true intentions toward German Jewry.” By March 24, 1933, Untermyer had launched boycott campaigns against all German exports, transportation, travel, and services. Although many Jewish organizations in the United States opposed the boycott, Untermyer was determined to wage this “holy war in the cause of humanity” since, as Untermyer claimed in a May, 1933 speech, boycott was merely a “defensive” act against what Untermyer “described [as] Germany’s policy towards its Jewish citizens — a “cruel campaign of extermination.”

    It is extremely important to recognize that Untermyer made these determinations in 1933, when Hitler was scarcely known. The German government took no sustained retaliatory measures against Jews until 1935, when the so-called Nuremberg laws were passed, and no Jews were interned in German concentration camps until 1940. Untermyer’s boycott persisted even past Untermyer’s death in 1940.

    Major Jewish and zionist organisations opposed Untermyer’s Boltonian scheme for a variety of reasons. Rabbi Hillel Silver, one of Untermyer’s key advisors, “took issue with Untermyer’s prediction that the boycott had the potential to cause starvation in Germany and the collapse of the Nazi government. He correctly foresaw that it would be “a long battle.” That is, the Rabbi was not concerned with the problem of starving German civilians but with the fact that it would take too long.

    The Israel lobby has pressured the US government to impose sanctions on Iran since at least 1995. Ephraim Sneh was a deputy defense minister and member of Israel’s Knesset. In a 2008 speech at an AIPAC conference in Washington, DC, Sneh told the crowd:

    “We have to understand, “Iran’s nuclear project is not the problem. The problem is the regime. The regime which is based on Islamic fascism. That is the problem. Now, it’s the regime that should be eliminated.

    Who should do it? The Iranian people. The Iranian people doesn’t like this regime. Just for, you know, an example, in the recent [2007] elections, 70% of the Iranians didn’t show up in the voting booth. 70%.

    So what is possible – what is feasible – is not reforms, the regime will not allow reforms. But it can be forced out. It can be toppled by the people. It is feasible.

    But there are two preconditions in order to accelerate it. One, real effective sanctions, sanctions that will make it impossible for the regime to govern, to run their economy, to feed 70 million hungry people. This is one thing. (applause).
    :http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/USIsraelRelations35 (at 58 minutes)


    This afternoon, President Obama’s press secretary demonstrated an awareness of Iranian actions and intentions that demonstrated equal parts bigotry, prejudice, and ignorance — similar to the fact-free and fantasmagoric quality of Sam Untermyer’s assessment of the “extermination” goals of the German government in 1933. But based upon these fact-free assessments, both men and the powers they represent were willing to starve millions of innocent civilians.

    Wikileaks cables between former Egyptian president Mubarak and Israelis provide evidence that Mubarak approved of and participated in the Israeli plan to “cause Gazans to go hungry but not starve:”

    Egypt has been Israel’s chief partner in the devastating blockade of the Gaza Strip, which has caused Gaza’s economy to be on the “brink of collapse,” as a UN spokesman put it yesterday. Suleiman is quoted in a December 2007 cable as wanting the blockade to cause “Gaza to go ‘hungry’ but not ‘starve.'” 80 percent of the people of Gaza rely on UN aid to survive.
    The leaked “Palestine Papers” published by Al Jazeera provide more details on Suleiman and Egypt’s complicity in the siege. As Abdullah Al-Arian, writing in Al Jazeera, notes:

    Throughout the documents, Suleiman in particular is singled out as the point person whom Israeli and American officials could count on to execute their agenda of dividing the Palestinian factions or pressing the PA for greater concessions…
    In early 2007, as the siege on Gaza had crippling consequences on the lives of Palestinians, negotiators complained that Egyptian leaders were duplicitous, speaking publicly in support of allowing goods into Gaza, but in reality, “it remains blocked on the ground …. This is a general problem with the Egyptians”.
    An internal report from April 2007 confirms these suspicions. The Agreement on Movement and Access states: “Although there has been political agreement by Omar Suleiman and President Mubarak on allowing exports through, this agreement has never been translated into operational reality.”

    Suleiman, and the Mubarak regime, have also been intent on weakening Hamas in the wake of the party being democratically elected in the 2006 Palestinian elections. The Dec. 2007 cable reports:


    As in the case of Germany in 1933 and forward, and of Iran from 1995 forward, and in Gaza from 2005, the penultimate goal of boycotting to “hunger” or starvation was/is the overthrow of a popularly elected government that refused to submit to the economic or financial dominance of the would-be hegemonic party.

    Starvation of a civilian population amounts to an act of genocide. It is proscribed by the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide, adopted by the United Nations General Assembly on Dec 9, 1948:


    Article 1
    The Contracting Parties confirm that genocide, whether committed in time of peace or in time of war, is a crime under international law which they undertake to prevent and to punish.

    Article 2
    In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

    * (a) Killing members of the group;
    * (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
    * (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
    * (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
    * (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another.

    As Dan Cooper wrote below, “Egypt remains dependent on the US for food, as do many other Arab nations.” Egypt is in a fraught condition. Its political future is intricately entangled with two governments that have used starvation as a political weapon.

    The success of the Egyptian revolution that has been source of so many expressions of joy today, is dependent upon the courage of the American people to demand that their government sunder its ties to a zionist value system that is alien to the foundational values of the United States. For the American people, reclaiming their moral integrity is of far greater urgency than sustaining “The rotten order of the modern Middle East [that] has been based on wily local elites stealing their way to billions while they took all the aid they could from the United States, even as they bit the hand that fed them. . . .[justified by claims of] the supposed threat of radical Islam, which is a tiny fringe phenomenon in most of the Middle East . . . and. . . the set of myths around Israel, that it is necessary for the well-being of the world’s Jews, that it is an asset to US security, that it is a great ethical enterprise– all of which are patently false.”

  18. Neil M says:

    Whilst it may seem like an over-simplification, Egyptians prevailed over their corrupt government because, unlike the Americans, the Israelis and the regime itself, they showed that they were willing to die for what they believe in.
    Courage trumps cowardice .. again.
    It is interesting that the Egyptian military was the first to see the writing on the wall by correctly reading the mood and commitment of the protesters.

  19. Reza Esfandiari says:


    The regime remains in power in Egypt – let’s not forget that. Mubarak seems to have been pressured to leave by the generals after all. I guess the strikes crippled the country and I was wrong about his ability to hold on.

    Wael Gonim does not speak for all Egyptians, but it would be *highly* ironic if the tactics used by the green movement helped the protesters to oust Mubarak. A bit of an own goal for the United States which supported the greens.

    Unfortunately for you, the Green movement is very much a minority movement and the majority of Iranians – as evidenced by 4 national surveys – recognize his legitimacy.

  20. Goli says:


    How did you get your hands on this clip of the interview with this highly respected expert to whose opinion you hope we would defer? Impressing ideas he expresses!

  21. Rehmat says:

    Too early to congratulate Egptians. They have fallen from one USrael tyrant into the lap of CIA-Mossad agent Gen. Omar.

    Gilad Atzmon: Left and Islam

  22. Pak says:

    Congratulations to my Egyptian brothers and sisters for ousting your illegitimate president. However, your ultimate battle for democracy has only just begun.

    Thank you for your messages of support for the Green movement, such as this:


    And thank you – Wael Ghonim – for announcing your backing for the Green Movement today. You truly represent the youth of today: open-minded, patriotic, globalised, and willing to use your computer skills to rally the masses. No ideology fuels your activism, only the craving for the most basic human political needs, such as democracy, and adherence to human rights.

  23. kooshy says:

    Eric, is simple in this new economic environment, everybody is being asked to become multi tasked.

  24. James Canning says:

    Charles Krauthammer, one of the worst of the warmongering neocons promoted by the Washington Post, has called Iran “a mini-version of the old Soviet Union”! How many countries have been subjected to the yoke of the Iranian colossus? Zero? Krauthammer is an idiot, but dangerous nonetheless.

  25. Goli says:


    Forgive me for being blunt here, but frankly, I don’t give a damn about Aghadashloo. Neither do I care about those Iranian filmmakers who, if it weren’t for the IR government’s support, would not have been able to create their internationally acclaimed films, but then, impressed by the bare female skin they were expose to (not that I think there is anything wrong with display of bare skin) turned against the very people and institutions that made their success possible, in an effort to appease French actresses shedding a few tears for their “rights” to modernity and their support for the foreign tormenters of their country.

    You just can’t stop these people. Afrasiabi, through this letter, has raised this ignorant brainless actress to a level that she does not deserve. CASMII has given her further credibility by publishing this letter.

  26. James Canning says:

    Dan Cooper,

    I hope a new government will come to power in Egypt that pursues a Middle East policy more along the lines of that recommended by ElBaradei, as compared with Mubarak’s. US Congress will look foolish if it punishes Egypt for pursuing democracy.

  27. Fiorangela says:

    Open Letter To Shohreh Aghdashloo She has crossed the line and discredited herself by playing into the hands of pro-war extremists. Boycotting her next play is called for.

  28. Scott,

    “In the eyes of the young and the old, I see hope for a new Egypt, the same hope I saw when these same eyes witnessed torture and mutilation at the hands of a despotic regime.”

    You saw torture and mutilation, Scott? Where did you see this?

  29. Dan Cooper says:

    the imperial-minded national security complex in Washington and New York is very worried that its most important Mideast ally may be on the way out. If Egypt’s current US-backed and financed regime goes, America’s entire security architecture for the Mideast will be in peril. Also throw Pakistan into the equation as most Pakistanis are watching events in Egypt and other Arab autocratic states with avid interest and envy.

    Overlooked so far in the reporting over the crisis in Egypt is the fact that no matter how much Egyptians would like to loosen pervasive American influence over their nation, Egypt remains dependant on the US for food, as do many other Arab nations.

    For the past forty years, US foreign aid programs have provided at least half or more of Egypt’s grain imports. Egypt’s limited fertile land cannot feed its growing population of 84 million. So Egypt must import grain to provide its people subsidized bread. The US supplied Egypt, the world’s leading grain importer, with some 3 million tons last year.

    Since Egypt cannot pay for these imports, it must rely on aid authorized each year by the US Congress. But Congress is under the influence of the Israel lobby. If Cairo angers the US or Israel, it always faces the threat of a cutoff of essential food aid as well as spare parts and munitions for its 500,000-man military.

    These considerations will weigh heavily on any new government in Cairo. Everyone remembers Egypt’s violent food riots during the 1970’s. In a sense, Egypt is linked to America by golden handcuffs – unless it can find a new food benefactor in Russia, the European Union or China.

    Back in the late 1960’s, Egypt’s then leader, Gamal Abdel Nasser, wanted to break his nation’s growing dependence on the Soviet Union. He was stopped from doing so by anguished pleas from his defense minister, Marshall Amer: `spare parts, Gamal, spare parts! We can’t live without Soviet spare parts.’

    Sixty years later, Egypt’s basic problems remain the same.



  30. kooshy says:

    Dear Scott did you happen to write Joe’s speech that was delivered in KY today? Considering the events unfolding in Egypt, I thought since the anger level of the dictator sensor, matched yours it might have been one your scholarly works

    US Turns Up Pressure on Iran After Egypt Ousts Mubarak
    Feb 11, 2011 – 6:02 PM
    WASHINGTON — The Obama administration sent a not-too-subtle message to Iran today that the uprising in Egypt that led to the ouster of President Hosni Mubarak could spread and reinvigorate demands for more freedom in Tehran.

    In a speech in Louisville, Ky., Vice President Joe Biden called the events in Egypt “a pivotal moment in history” and said it was time to let the people of Iran speak out freely.
    “I say to our Iranian friends: Let your people march, let your people speak, release your people from jail, let them have a voice!” Biden said to loud applause of the University of Kentucky.

    Later, speaking in his last news conference as White House press secretary, Robert Gibbs read from his briefing book to say the Iranian government is “quite frankly scared of the will of its people” in light of the call for democracy in Egypt.

    “The Iranian government should allow the Iranian people to exercise the very same right of peaceful assembly and the ability to communicate their desires,” as was demonstrated over the last 18 days in Egypt, Gibbs said.

    “This is a major shift,” said Michael Rubin, an expert on domestic politics in Iran and resident scholar at the conservative American Enterprise Institute. “Two things are happening: The administration is starting to be proactive rather than reactive, and the White House may have realized that moral clarity is the new realism. We are in a proxy war for influence with Iran whether we like it or not, and if this freedom wave hits Iran, it will only benefit the situation in the Middle East.”
    “How can they say anything else given events in Cairo?” said Aaron David Miller, a veteran Middle East peace negotiator to six U.S. secretaries of state.

    The statements from the White House were hardly accidental. Today is the 32nd anniversary of Islamic Revolution in Iran. Tens of thousands jammed Tehran’s main square to celebrate. Some of them burned effigies of Mubarak.

    President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, speaking before Mubarak stepped down, drew comparisons between the protests in Egypt and Iran’s 1979 revolution.

    He said “a new Middle East is emerging.” However, given his crackdown on Iran’s failed “Green Revolution” after elections in June 2009, it is clear he did not mean to include his own country.

    Opposition leaders are expected to rally in Iran on Monday, said Alan Elsner of The Israel Project, a pro-Israel public affairs group.

    “We’ll see what happens — but the regime is well-prepared to crack down,” Elsner said. “Iran’s leaders obviously fear the Iranian people will rise up to demand the same freedom the Egyptian people have grasped. No doubt their brutal militias are on high alert.”

  31. Dan Cooper says:

    America makes its final preparation for a total geopolitical change. It grasps finally that its Barbarian little regional ally may not serve its interests after all.

    Israel and its lobbies better be prepared for the worst.


  32. paul says:

    The military is in control in Egypt, which means the struggle of the People has just begun.

  33. kooshy says:


    I agree that the system here is by now, eternally corrupted, that’s why I said hopefully next celebration is in the DC, never less I have lived here now for almost 40 years, I have a little more faith in real Americans then you may have, in early days that I came here I did see how angry they can get with system they had which relatively was far less corrupt then it is today. I can feel again that something is boiling up from the bottom in this people, I am sure there will be a change coming our way, whether it can be stolen by the media again I am not sure possible, it very much depends on how fast they can fix the real unemployment.

    After all as we say in Persian a real change of a kind here “Deer o Zood Dareh Vally Sokht o Soez Nadareh”

  34. fyi says:

    Fiorangela says: February 11, 2011 at 5:25 pm

    The sound-track is “Death to America” and “Death to Israel” for the most part.

    Mixed in there, are slogans in support of Mr. Khamenie – I stopped watching after Fars province coverage.

    I cannot be certain that the sound-track is the authentic voice of the people.

    While I understand the anger of the crowd, I do not personally share in the sentiment expressed.

    It does, however, point out the very real and very difficult task of bridging the gap between the two states.

  35. Fiorangela says:

    Q: Will Israelis intensify attempts to make peace with Palestinians in wake of Mubarak’s ouster?

    A: No. Israelis will proceed on the assumption there will be no peace and no concessions.

    In the West Bank, the West Bank barrier is a defacto enforcement of their choice of territory, and its IMPRESSIVE at ground level.. check out the Jordan episode of an idiot abroad. It funnels all Palestinians through very few Mossad controlled checkpoints.

    The other issue and one that’s become a more profound issue since Egypt has had a change of leadership is Gaza.

    Israel has, with U.S. help created a partial solution to the threat caused by Hamas in the form of rockets. Its Iron Dome system is an anti-rocket system which has shown a lot of success vs medium ranged projectiles, much like the Patriot system. Its target is Katyusha ranging beyond Sderot.

    Its shortcoming is extremely the short range rocketry which form part of the risk, and the joint developed (Northrop Grumman) Skyguard system has been shown to be astonishingly successful against short range projectiles, even artillery shells.

    Technically, its a high energy laser system that provokes a secondary detonation in the projectile, and is tremendously cost effective at $1000 a shot. Unlike “Star Wars”, its feasible against its targets because of the limited range, and therein lies the rub; the hesitance to its deployment is the number of units required for coverage is higher than Iron Dome, with only a 5km range.. but its a perfect point defense from Qassem for Sderot.**

    As the separation barrier was completed in the West Bank, Israel has settled on a similar solution at the Gaza border for smuggling

    Also, recently Per Haaretz
    In the last months of 2010, an average of one thousand asylum seekers entered Israel in any given month, but in the month of January, data shows that only 400 asylum seekers entered Israel.

    The reason for the drop in numbers is partly explained by the acceleration of construction work on a fence on the border with Egypt. Moreover, Israel Defense Forces soldiers and border guards have increased deployment in the area, especially in places known as passages for asylum seekers.

    Ministry of Defense Director General Udi Shani, who toured the site of the fence construction on Tuesday, said that due to the acceleration of construction work, the fence is expected to be finished by the end of 2012. In the last months of 2010, an average of one thousand asylum seekers entered Israel in any given month, but in the month of January, data shows that only 400 asylum seekers entered Israel.

    The fence is phase 1, and you can expect to see a subsurface addendum should Egypt not complete theirs.


    **True, 13 rabbis lobbied Rahm Emmanuel and Dennis Ross for $203 million to finish “Iron Dome” to protect SDerot, and Congress did cut the check.
    However, Israel has since decided not to apply the money to protect SDerot — that village is mostly Oriental Jews and Bedouin anyway, and the are more valuable to Israel as victims than as a demonstration of a very expensive and foolish way to spend half-a-billion dollars defending against $10 Kytushas. So Iron Dome will not be built.

  36. Scott Lucas says:

    Bless you all,

    It is reinforcing to read the comments here, precisely because they back up the need to support the pursuit of political rights and freedoms in every country. Not just in the countries we think have been allied with our “enemies” — all countries. Not just in other countries where it is easy to back a protest against a Government that suppresses dissent, jails opponents, and prevents rallies — in all countries, including ones whose leaders we support.

    A letter to EA tonight:

    In tears and jubilation, I write to you my first e-mail from a free Egypt; in humility and pride, I write to you my first e-mail from the land of the brave; in disbelief and aspiration, I write to you my first e-mail from the cradle of civilization that will now be a beacon of liberty and justice. The dictator has fallen. The tyrant has conceded to the relentless will of the people. Decades of darkness have given way to the dawn of our revolution.

    In the eyes of the young and the old, I see hope for a new Egypt, the same hope I saw when these same eyes witnessed torture and mutilation at the hands of a despotic regime. I thank you my dear friend for standing with us in our quest for salvation, and call upon you to continue to support us in this historic moment, to stand by our side in this critical transition, to believe in our will that we can seek and achieve freedom. With your unfaltering support for our cause, we have achieved the impossible.

    Long live Egypt, long live the cradle of civilization, long live the free spirits of our brave people, and God bless the souls of those who have fallen in our battle for freedom. Their blood has not gone to waste.

  37. BiBiJon says:

    when in uncharted waters, so what if you’re rudderless

    I was marveling at Fiorangela’s account of Gibbs suggesting Iran would go the way of Egypt if only the Iranian regime didn’t threaten to kill demonstrators.

    Then I see this in the NY times, suggesting others are worried about Egypt going the way of Iran:

    “We don’t know who will be running things in the coming months in Egypt, but we have to keep two things in mind,” one top official said. “The first is that the only example we have of this kind of thing in the region is Iran in 1979. You can’t take that out of your mind. The second is that if Egypt pulls back in any way from its peace with Israel, it will discourage anyone else in the region, including the Palestinians, from stepping forward. So the regional implications for us are significant.”

    From http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/12/world/middleeast/12israel.html?_r=1&hp

    Enough to make you seasick!

  38. BiBiJon says:

    AMMAN, Jordan — Hundreds of Jordanians have taken to the streets in rival protests, one calling for the ouster of their new prime minister and the other to support toppling Egypt’s embattled leader.

    Around 400 Jordanian leftists on Friday urged recently appointed Marouf al-Bakhit to resign, saying they want to be able to elect their prime minister and not have a revolving door of changing ministerial faces.

    On the other side the capital, some 400 supporters of the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood called for Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak’s ouster. They chanted, “Hosni Mubarak, get out, the Arab world is on fire.”

    Al-Bakhit’s Cabinet was sworn in Wednesday, a week after his predecessor was sacked amid complaints he was slow on reforms.

  39. BiBiJon says:

    Bahrain’s king gifts $3,000 to every family
    (AFP) – 3 hours ago http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jyVIdDX9_xMqEmeVxoK1-5lEklRQ?docId=CNG.54bce2dbf3391e980f0ec85d38e21e9f.6e1

    MANAMA — Bahrain’s king has ordered that each family in the tiny Gulf monarchy be given $3,000 to mark the 10th anniversary of a national charter for reforms, state news agency BNA said on Friday.

    “On the occasion of the 10th anniversary of the National Action Charter and as a sign of appreciation for the people of Bahrain who have approved it, King Hamad bin Issa al-Khalifa has ordered 1,000 dinars (3,000 dollars) to be paid to every Bahraini family,” BNA reported.

    The decision came as cyber activists called for protests in Bahrain starting from Monday to demand political, social and economic reforms.

  40. Goli says:


    Majority of Americans are brain-washed beyond salvation. Their next democratically elected president will be Sara Palin (or someone like her who can locate Russia on the map) and their federal legislators are fully paid for by big money. The system is rotten to the core, but there is no widespread awareness. There is very little hope for America.

  41. Fiorangela says:

    fyi, Iranian, re the video: what is it that the people are shouting?

  42. fyi says:

    Iranian says: February 11, 2011 at 4:21 pm

    Clearly the anger and hatred of the Iranin people is still there after so many years.

    Mr. Ahmadinejad seems to have risked going against the popular sentiment in advocating rapproachment with US.

    If so, Americans will come to regret his absence from the political scene in 2013.

  43. Kev,

    Can you give a link to the Israeli claim of Egyptian nukes? Sounds interesting. Amazing how nukes can suddenly come into existence overnight.

  44. Goli says:

    James Canning,

    I do not disagree with you on Carter, but your facts do not refute mine, they coexist. I would say this, however. He certainly did not want any one of the objectives you mention bad enough, nor did he try hard enough to achieve them, and he was nonetheless, still kicked out and continues to be demonized.

    The fact is that any real change in the Israel/Palestine status that is not dictated by Israel is outside of the American foreign policy discourse. While Carter understood and stood by this basic principle, his naïve attempts to deviate caused him his job.

    I think Iranians and Egyptians are less likely to focus on that side of Carter and more likely to remember his unwavering support for the Shah, his expression of gratitude to him for the “island of stability,” and his present to the Egyptian people via Camp David, namely, Mr. Mubarak.

  45. Kev. says:

    israel have already began spreading rumours about egyptian nukes…
    israel=biggest threat to world peace.

  46. Arnold Evans says:

    From the ynet article:

    “General Tantawi has been appointed chairman of the Higher Military Council, making him the ‘de facto’ temporary president. He is a well known person who never even thought about running for president. In any event, there is no longer a familiar legitimate governmental framework in Egypt.”

    This strikes me as accurate. Suleiman said that Mubarak waived the presidency and that the country’s affairs are being managed by the military council. Power was not transferred directly to Suleiman, that’s for sure. There is still a question of if Suleiman is actually on that council, though I’d guess he is, and there all Mubarak’s exit accomplishes is that the protesters have committed to negotiations.

    This was not exactly the US’ favored scenario of power going to Suleiman and Suleiman filling Mubarak’s shoes making the “reforms” the US had suggested Mubarak make to maintain the aspects of dictatorship the US chooses.

    The transition government has, as a first draft, this military council, but that can be amended as soon as this week.

    Lastly, there are certain groups that consistently beat my expectations about handling political situations in the Middle East. One is Hezbollah, another is Iran’s government and these protesters so far are a third.

    I have a lot of confidence that as they achieved their goal of removing Mubarak and also repudiating the Mubarak constitution, which already is dead since Suleiman tied it to the impossibility of removing Mubarak, they will achieve their goal of establishing control for a civilian government that reflects the perspectives of the Egyptian people without any major omissions, Muslim Brothers, for example, I’m confident will relatively soon have representation in government roughly consistent with their level of support among Egypt’s people.

  47. kooshy says:

    Masoud, “Next year in Jerusalem?”

    How about next year, or better yet, 2012 in Washington DC, with real democratically elected representatives of the American people. Protecting and representing real interests of this country.That sure will also solve the Jerusalem problem that is choking us.

  48. Goli says:

    Fiorangela 4:23

    That’s a good one!

  49. Fiorangela says:

    Liz, could you please link some of those scenes where Ahmadinejad went out in public and American-made tanks and goons tossing American-made tear gas had to beat back the mobs of shrieking Iranians who tried to drag him from his 8-ton, closed, armored car?

  50. Iranian says:

    I just found this. Gibbs should watch it and weep. It is a clip of todays rally (in Tehran). I haven’t found anything on Iranian websites yet.


  51. Fiorangela says:

    reporter: would you like to see what happened in cairo today happen in tehran?

    gibbs: if the govt of iran didn’t fear its people it would allow them to protest.

    reporter: would you go so far as to say you’d like to see the govt overthrown in tehran.

    gibbs: i’ve addressed that in previous comments.

  52. Fiorangela says:

    Prof. Christol’s views are very much in line with the perspective of Prof. Michael Mandelbaum of Nitze SAIS.

    back to Gibbs at White House press conference:

    Reporter: “Is there a hope that Egypt could inspire another uprising in Iran?
    Gibbs: “If the govt of Iran was as confidennt as they put out — they’re not that confident, they’re scared — Iran has shut off all measure of communication. . . .”

    Reporter [in the capital of the mostest mostest nation evah] “Are the images from Egypt SOMEHOW getting into Iran? Are Iranians aware of what’s going on in Egypt?”

    Gibbs: “We’ve seen reports that people in Iran want to march. …. Iran regime has met the request with threats to kill them. speaks volumes of grip that govt of Iran has on its people.”

    . . .
    Gibbs: “It is remarkable to see what has happened over 18 days.”
    Gibbs: “I don’t think we have to fear democracy. when the will of the people shape the hand of those who govern it . . .this is about egypt and their people.

    Reporter: Is it fair to say this is going to change US policy in Middle East?

    Gibbs: We don’t know the outcome of free and fair elections. we will continue to have relationships…our relationships that we DO have create peace and stability in the region…we will continue

    reporter: re Iran: you keep repeating that Revolutionary guard quote — but you say you don’t want to look like you’re interfering.

    Gibbs: govt of iran discussed what was happening in egypt. if that’s what they believe, they wouldn’t have any problem in allowing their people to protest.
    what they really are scared of is exactly what might happen if Iranians demonstrated — they’re threatening them with death. strange reaction.
    If govt’s and militaries are to protect their people, the Iranian regime is showing they are quite scared of their people.

    reporter: any regrets that admin didn’t do more to support revolution in Iran?
    gibbs: we supported universal rights; it’s up to govt of iran to allow that to happen. there’s diff degreees of development of different societies.

  53. The article Arnold cited should warm the heart of any reader:


  54. Iranian says:

    Scott Lucas sounds like Gibbs.

  55. Fiorangela,

    You mention Gibbs’ statements:

    “Gibbs is meeting the press, after Obama’s remarks on Egypt-Mubarak stepping down.
    Gibbs quotes an IRGC leader, “We will crush any act of sedition.”
    Gibbs says “Iran should let its people peacefully protest.”
    Gibbs say, Iran is running scared; they are afraid this movement will spread thru the region.”

    When things aren’t going well, it’s always tempting to look for someone else to kick around. And if you’re already kicking around that person – well, maybe kick them just a little bit harder.

    Even so, trying to cast Iran as “running scared” at what just happened in Egypt will require some sustained imagination.

  56. Fiorangela says:

    Gibbs is meeting the press, after Obama’s remarks on Egypt-Mubarak stepping down.

    Gibbs quotes an IRGC leader, “We will crush any act of sedition.”
    Gibbs says “Iran should let its people peacefully protest.”
    Gibbs say, Iran is running scared; they are afraid this movement will spread thru the region.

    Another fact-free analysis on Gibbs’ part: more people died in Tahrir Square than died in Iran 2009 protests.
    AND, Egypt is now in the tender mercies of a torturer. Gibbs is acting like Mubarak stepped down and Gandhi took his place.

    Washington DC occupies an alternate version of reality.

  57. Fiorangela says:

    Robert Gibbs on C Span I right now

  58. Masoud,

    “Next year in Jerusalem?”

    One step at a time. Let’s be sure it’s “This year in Cairo” first. I’m confident, but let’s not forget that:

    1. Yesterday we had a dictator.

    2. Today we have the dictator’s right hand man (whom Israel and the US like very much), backed by the army, which is telling everyone it’s time to go back to work and school.

    Despite all this, I’m optimistic at the moment. But wary, at least if it appears that the likely new government isn’t going to be acceptable to the military.

  59. Castellio,

    You quoted Jonathan Christol:

    “It’s time for us to double down on Arab dictators and hope they suppress dissent and upheaval in favor of gradual economic and political reform.”

    Tough luck, Dr. Christol – you should have sent this off to Obama yesterday!

  60. Castellio says:

    Well, just for a moment, it’s interesting to consider “the other side”. Here we have a statement from Bard University’s Director of the Bard Globalization and International Affairs (BGIA) Program:

    “Am I really arguing that these states should brutally suppress the protestors and that the United States should encourage them to do so? Not really. The optics of America supporting brutal suppression would not be good for Washington. However, if these governments wish to stay in power, the best means of doing so is to scare the people sufficiently enough to stop them from marching through the street. North Korea always keeps the people that scared; and Iran cracked down brutally and suppressed anti-Government marches. Unfortunately for us, these particular marches are against governments that are good for the United States. Will lip service paid to the marchers undo years of supporting repressive regimes? Not at all. It’s time for us to double down on Arab dictators and hope they suppress dissent and upheaval in favor of gradual economic and political reform.”


  61. Matt says:

    Liz says:
    February 11, 2011 at 2:51 pm


  62. masoud says:

    Next year in Jerusalem?

  63. Fiorangela says:

    Goli, Dan Cooper,

    It’s certain that the US and Israel will meddle in Egyptian affairs — unless Americans demand otherwise. We in the US can take a lesson, and some inspiration, from the courage of the people in Egypt. What they have just achieved was monumental — this morning, tanks increased their presence and some kind of machine guns were mounted in the perimeter of the crowd, but they did not stand down.

    Surely Americans are THAT brave . . .

  64. Liz says:

    Race For Iran,

    Could you please put both the clip and the transcript of Hillary’s telephon interview with Aljazeera English on the website?

  65. Liz says:

    Race For Ira,

    Could you please put both the clip and the transcript of Hillary’s telephon interview with Aljazeera English on the website?

  66. hans says:

    Palestine is next, get rid of the corrupt, spineless Abbas PA.

  67. Goli says:


    Come to think of it, while I can’t recall the name of the presenter who interviewed Hillary, I believe he is the same one who lightly scolded a slightly emotional reporter born in Egypt for briefly losing her “objectivity.” He is an Anglo with a typical view of objectivity through the western prism.

  68. Fiorangela says:

    I really dislike Israeli-style interference and, especially, psy-ops, and I thought yesterday’s announcements of Mubarak’s abdication, which then didn’t happen, was an Israeli-inspired tactic. I still think that may have happened.

    If that’s so, then it’s also possible to speculate that Obama pushed back the other direction, following the will of the protesters: if the people lead, the leaders will follow.

    I like to think I’m right: that the US was on the right side — the side of the Egyptian people.

    Now, just as you say, Dan Cooper, it’s up to us to demand that the US and Israel stay out of Egypt’s affairs.

  69. Goli says:

    Dan cooper,

    Your nice ideas are most likely not going to materialize. Very very very unlikely.

  70. James Canning says:


    The Israel lobby detests Jimmy Carter. This is a mistake on the part of the lobby, in my view.

    Carter wanted Israel out of the Golan Heights, the West Bank and Gaza, but he lost the 1980 election to Reagan.

  71. Dan Cooper says:

    Let us now have a free and fair election in Egypt without CIA and Mossad’s interference.

    Egyptian people must learn a lesson from USA and Israel’s meddling in Iranian’s election in June 2009 and do not allow foreigners to interfere in their internal affairs anymore. (Easier said than done)

    Whether they choose a secular or theocratic democracy, it is up to them.

    We must respect the opinion of the majority of Egyptian people even if that does not agree with our ideology.

  72. Arnold Evans says:

    According to the Jerusalem Post, the Egyptian Army, in communication with that of the US, still intends to keep the Muslims Brothers out of power.

    Most likely, that will not work, but the United States is still committed to the same set of values that maintained its support for Mubarak for 30 years, maintained its support for the Shah and still holds the current colonies of Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE and others in place.


    He did say, however, that the Muslim Brotherhood movement has no foothold in the new reality. “At this stage the army is anti-Muslim Brotherhood. They did some screening to let in as few (Muslim Brotherhood sympathizers) as possible, and they won’t let them rise.”

    All fully compatible with Barack Obama’s conception of “genuine democracy”.

  73. Fiorangela says:

    Kamran says: February 11, 2011 at 11:41 am

    “Congratulations to all Egyptians and Iranians.”

    To which I add my congratulations — and hopes for the safety of the brave Egyptian protesters, and perseverance in creating a ‘Burger King’ government — Have it YOUR way.

    “Hopefully Jordan and Saudi are next. Happy Feb. 11!”

    Hopefully, Americans can soon reclaim their heritage and elect a Congress and president with a zio-resistant spine and Jeffersonian-Madisonian values and ideals.

  74. Liz says:


    Mubarak and his western allies heard the people 30 years late.

  75. Goli says:


    Great minds think alike! Of course, I am only kidding.

  76. Liz says:


    I swear I was thinking about writing that!!

  77. Liz says:

    Just heard Hillary Mann Leverett on Aljazeera. Excellent and courageous.

  78. Goli says:

    Hillary was just on Aljazeera. The presenter didn’t sound like he liked her “perspective!”

  79. Liz says:


    Try Press TV. :)

  80. Goli says:


    For the simple reason that Israel does not tolerate even tongue-in-cheek criticisms of its policies and actions. It operates, and would very much like to be able to continue to operate, with total and unequivocal impunity. That is the problem with Israel.

    I assume Maddow and Engel are talking about the 2009 elections.

  81. Kathleen says:

    bibi John. I have been having problemw with the live Al Jazeera feed. Figured they were overloaded

  82. BiBiJon says:

    Liz, and Eric:

    Feb 11th should be declared a holiday, Revolution Day!

  83. Kathleen says:

    Goli interesting points. So why does the Israeli lobby and Israel hate Carter so much if he carries water for Israel?

    Rachel Maddow continually repeats the Iranian elections were corrupt. Both she and MSNBC’s Richard Engel

  84. Liz,

    “Mubarak falls on Bahman 22!”

    Must be something about that date, eh? If nothing else, this will make it much easier for future generations of students to memorize important dates in history.

  85. Goli says:


    While I am sure that the Egyptians are a merciful people, you can rest assured that many of them have not forgotten Camp David and are not ready to embrace Mr. Carter as fully repented.

    If there is going to be a truly free and fair elctions in Egypt, which in all likelihood there won’t, they will not need foreign observers and their expertise such as Carter’s group. Perhaps, Mr. Carter would be better off focusing his energy on bringing some semblance of democracy back to the US instead of profusely apologizing to the Israel Lobby for his tongue-in-cheek criticism of Israel.

    Iranians held their post revolution elections without the presence of any official foreign observers, and to this day, no self-respecting opposition leader claims that those elections were rigged.

  86. BiBiJon says:

    Just an obsevation.

    I was watching streaming alJazeera English. When Omar Suleiman’s 25 seconds long speech was carried live, he began with:

    “In the name of God …”

    And, he ended with:

    “May God guide us”.

    Since that live broadcast of that short announcement, all subsequent alJazeera replays have cut off the beginning and the end of that already very short announcement.

  87. Goli says:

    Scott Lucas,

    You must lack any logic or rationality. How else could you compare the Iranian president elected for two 4-year terms, particularly the most popular one yet since the beginning of the revolution, to those other ME dictators? Start thinking for yourself, or if you have made up your mind about your agenda, at least put forth arguments that are defensible when presented to thinking people.

    Don’t get excited; this is the first time I followed a link posted by you.

  88. Kathleen says:

    “Liz says:
    February 11, 2011 at 11:57 am
    Scott Lucas thinks the Egyptian people owe their revolution to someone who lives in the US and works for Google. That shows exactly how silly and racist he is.”

    One thing for sure is that our MSM covered this revolution/protest etc while they completely ignored the hundreds of thousands of us who were out on the streets before the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq nationwide, 30 million worldwide. WWII,(I pushed a 92 year old Vet at the early Feb 2003 march in New York City) Korean, Vietnam, Desert Storm Vets, teachers, teamsters, nurses, students, families pushing children in strollers and elders in wheelchairs marched protested before that invasion. Our MSM ignored these protest. Lives might have been saved. But our MSM ignored us. They carried water for the Bush administration warmongers.

    You will never see MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow or Richard Engel, CNN, Fox Cspan broadcasting from the middle of a Palestinian protest, illegal settlement etc. Selective coverage for sure

    But today we celebrate the brave, successful, peaceful efforts of hundreds of thousands of Egyptians! And our MSM’s covering these protest for weeks.

  89. Kathleen says:

    Al Jazeera streaming live

  90. Kathleen says:

    How many U.S. administrations supported this brutal dictatorship?

    Mubarak should be singing this tune:

    “Why do you build me up (build me up)
    Buttercup, baby,
    Just to let me down (let me down)
    and mess me around
    And then worst of all (worst of all)
    you never call, baby,
    When you say you will (say you will)
    but I love you still
    I need you (I need you)
    more than anyone, darlin’
    You know that I have from the start
    So build me up (build me up)
    Buttercup, don’t break my heart

  91. Kathleen says:

    Congrats indeed. And some of us are sure ashamed of the U.S.’s support for such an oppressive regime for decades Just hope they are on their way to getting not only the dictator supported by the U.S. and Israel off their backs but the dictatorship off their backs.

    Carter has an important piece up over at the Elders site about “Credible elections” Hope that Egyptians will give us permission to push for Carter’s group coming in to help.

    Let’s hope that Israel is getting a message that time hopefully is up for their continued expansion and building of illegal settlements. That is unless they decide to continue to undermine U.S. national security and their own by pushing for more foreign aid to protect their illegal activities. Egypt providing cover is over

  92. Arnold Evans says:

    Wow. I now speak of Hosni Mubarak and the Shah in the same sentence to mean the same thing.

    I can’t congratulate Egypt enough. I never expected to see this day.

  93. Liz says:


  94. Liz says:

    February 11, 1979, February 11, 2011,…


    Joe Biden:

    “Mubarak has been an ally of ours in a number of things. And he’s been very responsible on, relative to geopolitical interest in the region, the Middle East peace efforts; the actions Egypt has taken relative to normalizing relationship with – with Israel. … I would not refer to him as a dictator.”

    Jim Lehrer asked Biden if the time has “come for President Mubarak of Egypt to go?” Biden answered: “No. I think the time has come for President Mubarak to begin to move in the direction that – to be more responsive to some… of the needs of the people out there.”

    This is definitely not about the US regime Scott Lucas…

  95. Arnold Evans says:

    Very recently somebody here posted a very extensive poll of Iranian views on things like a grand bargain, the elections, the nuclear issue, support for Hamas and Hezbollah and pretty much every issue of interest to the US.

    I didn’t note the link and now can’t find it. Can anyone refresh my memory?

  96. Castellio says:

    Halleluyah!! Halleluyah!!

    February 11, 2011… truly historic.

  97. Iranian says:

    Scott Lucas hopes that this wave will not overthrow the Saudi’s or the Jordanian despot! Instead he hopes popular opponents (and popularly elected in the case of Ahmadinejad) of US foreign policy will fall!

    Poor guy.

  98. Persian Gulf says:

    Congratulations to both Egyptians and Iranians. for the coming years, we will be celebrating the same day for victory of our revolutions.

    ان الباطل کان ذهوقا

  99. Arnold Evans says:

    Let’s not spend this whole thread beating Scott up, even acknowledging that 30 years (or much less) from now he’ll be claiming – with no proof, evidence or even argument – that an Egyptian politician or political whose policies he doesn’t like hasn’t proven to his satisfaction that the election was not stolen and that therefore the – according to election results and every single poll – small minority of Egyptians who agree with him should assume power.

    Congratulations Egypt for taking an important step towards having the freedom to enact policies that will have it demonized by people like Scott Lucas. And here’s hoping that most Egyptians, like most Iranians, will not be able to care less about the opinions of people like Scott Lucas who ultimately would prefer Mubarak or the Shah for their countries.

    Seriously though. Right now is a time for celebration and happiness. The people of Egypt have performed what can only be described as a miracle.

  100. Liz says:


    I wish it was 1/3. None of my friends or husband’s relatives who voted for Mousavi have supported him for a long long time. In fact, many participated in the Day 9 and Bahman 22 rallies.

    Congratulations again for both revolutions!!! Let’s hope that American analysts have more sense than Scott Lucas and that they rethink their policies.

  101. BiBiJon says:

    Congratulations people of Egypt.

    Scott, would you like to interpret the picture you posted up? Come on, be a sport, give us a laugh.

  102. Pirouz says:

    Scott sort of amazes me. He advocates on behalf of a greater than 1:3 minority political view inside Iran but with an actual intention of regime change, something only espoused by fringe elements inside the country.

    It remains a curious thing.

  103. Kamran says:


  104. Liz says:

    Scott Lucas,

    This is not about the US government! lol! We’ll see about that! Keep dreaming…

  105. Iranian says:

    Mr. white man Scott Lucas, history will show that this is very much about the US regime and Israel.

  106. Liz says:

    Scott Lucas thinks the Egyptian people owe their revolution to someone who lives in the US and works for Google. That shows exactly how silly and racist he is.

  107. Scott Lucas says:

    “We have defeated the US 32 years ago and we continue to defeat you today!”

    I think the people in Cairo are making clear this is not about the US Government or the Iranian regime.

    And that, too, is very cool….


  108. Liz says:

    Scott Lucas,

    The Egyptians have indeed learned from us. Through people power, we have defeated the US 32 years ago and we continue to defeat you today!

  109. Iranian says:

    …and so are we here in Iran. Hopefully, like us they will be fully liberated from the likes of you and your regime Scott Lucas!

  110. Scott Lucas says:

    Maybe this is an appropriate time to turn to Wael Ghonim, the activist who was behind the “We are All Khaled Said” Facebook page that contributed to the protest movement and whose detention, release, and dramatic interview helped fuel the demonstrations in Tahrir Square:

    “I would tell Iranians to learn from the Egyptians, as we have learned from you guys, that at the end of the day with the power of people, we can do whatever we want to do. If we unite our goals, if we believe, then all our dreams can come true.”


  111. Scott Lucas says:


    Like you, I’m celebrating the scenes of a people liberating themselves from an illegitimate regime and enjoying freedom of speech and free assembly (and perhaps free elections) without fear at this moment of being detained.

    That’s pretty cool…


  112. fyi says:

    I sincerely hope for an un-restricted representative government and an improved enforcement and adherence to public law that is openly and publicly is construced and indiscriminately and uniformly applied.

  113. gattuso says:

    this was just the first step for Egyptios, how they will handle the transfer and election is to be seen. As I said in past U.S. is not going to lose Egypt as easy as some of you lads think!

  114. Liz says:

    God knows what agent Scott Lucas is up to! lol

  115. Kamran says:

    Congratulations to all Egyptians and Iranians. Hopefully Jordan and Saudi are next. Happy Feb. 11!

  116. Iranian says:

    Congratulation for both Feb. 11 revolutions

  117. Scott Lucas says:

    One more domino goes….


    It is a privilege to see this in Egypt. Tomorrow, more hard work. Today, celebration.


  118. Liz says:

    Mubarak falls on Bahman 22!

  119. Paul says:

    Hosni Mubarak resigns on Feb, 11, 2011, on exactly the 32nd anniversary of the victory of the Islamic Revolution of Iran!