Comments on: “DEFECTORS” AND THE UNFOLDING INTELLIGENCE FAILURE ON IRAN’S NUCLEAR PROGRAM http://www.raceforiran.com/%e2%80%9cdefectors%e2%80%9d-and-the-unfolding-intelligence-failure-on-iran%e2%80%99s-nuclear-program Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:17:11 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: James Canning http://www.raceforiran.com/%e2%80%9cdefectors%e2%80%9d-and-the-unfolding-intelligence-failure-on-iran%e2%80%99s-nuclear-program#comment-14647 James Canning Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:58:27 +0000 http://www.raceforiran.com/?p=3085#comment-14647 Chris, I agree with you that the Israel lobby has compromised almost entirely the ability of the US to act in the best interests of the American people in the Middle East. But the lobby is much less effective in other countries, and as the US declines in power and influence, relatively, in part due to the idiotic squandering of trillions of dollars on useless weapons and foolish military adventures promoted by the Israel lobby, other countries will take larger roles. Since China is the largest buyer of crude oil from Saudi Arabia, why should the US taxpayer pay scores of billions of dollars each year to keep the Gulf open to shipping? Iran already has a policy of keeping the Gulf shipping lanes open to all countries. Chris,

I agree with you that the Israel lobby has compromised almost entirely the ability of the US to act in the best interests of the American people in the Middle East. But the lobby is much less effective in other countries, and as the US declines in power and influence, relatively, in part due to the idiotic squandering of trillions of dollars on useless weapons and foolish military adventures promoted by the Israel lobby, other countries will take larger roles.

Since China is the largest buyer of crude oil from Saudi Arabia, why should the US taxpayer pay scores of billions of dollars each year to keep the Gulf open to shipping? Iran already has a policy of keeping the Gulf shipping lanes open to all countries.

]]> By: James Canning http://www.raceforiran.com/%e2%80%9cdefectors%e2%80%9d-and-the-unfolding-intelligence-failure-on-iran%e2%80%99s-nuclear-program#comment-14646 James Canning Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:52:15 +0000 http://www.raceforiran.com/?p=3085#comment-14646 fyi, Obviously we disagree about the viability of the two-state solution. Many of those who question the viability of an independent Palestine, assume mistakenly that Israel is in fact creating "facts on the ground" by building colonies for Jews in the West Bank. However, Palestine can flourish even if there are hundreds of thousands of Jews in it. The key issue is borders; Obama should have endorsed the Saudi peace plan, with some changes regarding right of return. fyi,

Obviously we disagree about the viability of the two-state solution. Many of those who question the viability of an independent Palestine, assume mistakenly that Israel is in fact creating “facts on the ground” by building colonies for Jews in the West Bank. However, Palestine can flourish even if there are hundreds of thousands of Jews in it. The key issue is borders; Obama should have endorsed the Saudi peace plan, with some changes regarding right of return.

]]> By: fyi http://www.raceforiran.com/%e2%80%9cdefectors%e2%80%9d-and-the-unfolding-intelligence-failure-on-iran%e2%80%99s-nuclear-program#comment-14630 fyi Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:34:26 +0000 http://www.raceforiran.com/?p=3085#comment-14630 James Canning: There will never ever be a 2-state solution. That is over, finished, kaput, fubar. James Canning:

There will never ever be a 2-state solution.

That is over, finished, kaput, fubar.

]]> By: Eric A. Brill http://www.raceforiran.com/%e2%80%9cdefectors%e2%80%9d-and-the-unfolding-intelligence-failure-on-iran%e2%80%99s-nuclear-program#comment-14608 Eric A. Brill Wed, 21 Jul 2010 03:10:09 +0000 http://www.raceforiran.com/?p=3085#comment-14608 M.Ali, You wrote to Tzvi Gross: "I have never met any Arab in my life who claimed that we he wished he lived in Israel as an Israeli arab or that he was jealous of the arabs there. Where did that come from, Gross?" It's a sign of respect when you get no response from Tzvi Gross. M.Ali,

You wrote to Tzvi Gross:

“I have never met any Arab in my life who claimed that we he wished he lived in Israel as an Israeli arab or that he was jealous of the arabs there. Where did that come from, Gross?”

It’s a sign of respect when you get no response from Tzvi Gross.

]]> By: Chris http://www.raceforiran.com/%e2%80%9cdefectors%e2%80%9d-and-the-unfolding-intelligence-failure-on-iran%e2%80%99s-nuclear-program#comment-14602 Chris Wed, 21 Jul 2010 00:18:20 +0000 http://www.raceforiran.com/?p=3085#comment-14602 The United Sates will never think straight on Iran or any other Middle East policy issue so long as the Israel lobby is actively working to weigh in on these matters. What is going on now is beyond belief; that policy upon policy, the United Sates is putting its interest far behind that of Israel’s The United Sates will never think straight on Iran or any other Middle East policy issue so long as the Israel lobby is actively working to weigh in on these matters.

What is going on now is beyond belief; that policy upon policy, the United Sates is putting its interest far behind that of Israel’s

]]> By: James Canning http://www.raceforiran.com/%e2%80%9cdefectors%e2%80%9d-and-the-unfolding-intelligence-failure-on-iran%e2%80%99s-nuclear-program#comment-14579 James Canning Tue, 20 Jul 2010 17:59:19 +0000 http://www.raceforiran.com/?p=3085#comment-14579 Tzvi Gross, I said there would be a need for a significant number of UN peacekeepers, along the borders of an independent Palestine, for many years. It surely is in Israel's best interests to get all of its police, soldiers, and other security people out of Palestine, provided stability is achieved and sustained. Which is more likely if all Israeli security forces are out of the country. Mahmoud Abbas quite rightly says this is a necessary precondition for any direct talks with Israel. Tzvi Gross,

I said there would be a need for a significant number of UN peacekeepers, along the borders of an independent Palestine, for many years.

It surely is in Israel’s best interests to get all of its police, soldiers, and other security people out of Palestine, provided stability is achieved and sustained. Which is more likely if all Israeli security forces are out of the country. Mahmoud Abbas quite rightly says this is a necessary precondition for any direct talks with Israel.

]]> By: M.Ali http://www.raceforiran.com/%e2%80%9cdefectors%e2%80%9d-and-the-unfolding-intelligence-failure-on-iran%e2%80%99s-nuclear-program#comment-14553 M.Ali Tue, 20 Jul 2010 12:43:01 +0000 http://www.raceforiran.com/?p=3085#comment-14553 I have never met any Arab in my life who claimed that we he wished he lived in Israel as an Israeli arab or that he was jealous of the arabs there. Where did that come from, Gross? Is that what the Israelis tell each other? And also, of course there will be Israeli-Arab resentment to their Jewish counterpart. Do yo uthink in the apartheid South Africa, the black SA citizens loved their white oppressors? But I'm sure in an alternative universe that the apartheid still exists, there is a White SA equivelant of Gross who is defending the apartheid by claiming that since the black people dislike them, they need to have the security measures for safety... I have never met any Arab in my life who claimed that we he wished he lived in Israel as an Israeli arab or that he was jealous of the arabs there. Where did that come from, Gross? Is that what the Israelis tell each other?

And also, of course there will be Israeli-Arab resentment to their Jewish counterpart. Do yo uthink in the apartheid South Africa, the black SA citizens loved their white oppressors? But I’m sure in an alternative universe that the apartheid still exists, there is a White SA equivelant of Gross who is defending the apartheid by claiming that since the black people dislike them, they need to have the security measures for safety…

]]> By: Tzvi Gross http://www.raceforiran.com/%e2%80%9cdefectors%e2%80%9d-and-the-unfolding-intelligence-failure-on-iran%e2%80%99s-nuclear-program#comment-14522 Tzvi Gross Tue, 20 Jul 2010 00:17:13 +0000 http://www.raceforiran.com/?p=3085#comment-14522 Free the ME, I think this is the same as "Go somewhere else". The last time some one pointed fingers at the Jews as megalomaniacs was Hitler, who wanted to camouflage his own world domination agenda by pointing at the Jew. Are you using the same tactics to mask Islams march towards world domination, by pointing fingers at some kind of Zionist world domination plan? Free the ME, more and more indigenous Europeans and Americans see through that rouge. We know who has a world domination Ideology!!! Have you read the Koran lately? Free the ME,
I think this is the same as “Go somewhere else”.
The last time some one pointed fingers at the Jews as megalomaniacs was Hitler, who wanted to camouflage his own world domination agenda by pointing at the Jew.
Are you using the same tactics to mask Islams march towards world domination, by pointing fingers at some kind of Zionist world domination plan?
Free the ME, more and more indigenous Europeans and Americans see through that rouge.
We know who has a world domination Ideology!!!
Have you read the Koran lately?

]]> By: Tzvi Gross http://www.raceforiran.com/%e2%80%9cdefectors%e2%80%9d-and-the-unfolding-intelligence-failure-on-iran%e2%80%99s-nuclear-program#comment-14521 Tzvi Gross Tue, 20 Jul 2010 00:08:36 +0000 http://www.raceforiran.com/?p=3085#comment-14521 James Cunning, If the already "successful and prosperous " Israeli Arabs will walk to a Jewish neighbour and tell him "I will kill you", what will happen when the west Bank Palestinians will have a state at Israels' indefensible borders ( TA airport, is on the border? You hope that that this will lessen the hate, but I doubt it very much, as they will view Israels' new vulnerability as a weakness to be further exploited. I hope the Israelis will be smart enough to insist on geographic security for their state, in addition to signed agreements. James Cunning,
If the already “successful and prosperous ” Israeli Arabs will walk to a Jewish neighbour and tell him “I will kill you”, what will happen when the west Bank Palestinians will have a state at Israels’ indefensible borders ( TA airport, is on the border?
You hope that that this will lessen the hate, but I doubt it very much, as they will view Israels’ new vulnerability as a weakness to be further exploited.
I hope the Israelis will be smart enough to insist on geographic security for their state, in addition to signed agreements.

]]> By: James Canning http://www.raceforiran.com/%e2%80%9cdefectors%e2%80%9d-and-the-unfolding-intelligence-failure-on-iran%e2%80%99s-nuclear-program#comment-14508 James Canning Mon, 19 Jul 2010 22:07:25 +0000 http://www.raceforiran.com/?p=3085#comment-14508 fyi, I am keenly aware of Palestinian dislike (or worse) for Jews inside Israel, and this is part of the reason for separation barriers being built within Israel itself (that is, within the June 1, 1967 borders), cutting off Palestinian districts from Jewish districts. I would expect a successful and prosperous independent Palestine to tend to lower the levels of resentment of non-Jews within Israel, for Jews in Israel. fyi,

I am keenly aware of Palestinian dislike (or worse) for Jews inside Israel, and this is part of the reason for separation barriers being built within Israel itself (that is, within the June 1, 1967 borders), cutting off Palestinian districts from Jewish districts.

I would expect a successful and prosperous independent Palestine to tend to lower the levels of resentment of non-Jews within Israel, for Jews in Israel.

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